vg|C 2015 USBC R8,Segment 3 of 8,I,1,15,Cayne,80,Bramley,42| rs|1NE+4,3CW+3,3HW-2,3HW=,3NE=,3NE=,2SN-1,3DE-3,4SS=,5HW-3,4HS-1,3HS+1,3HN+1,3HNx-1,3CS+1,3CN+1,4HN-1,3HN=,3HS=,1NE=,1NW+1,2SS-2,2SS=,2DE=,4HS-1,3SS=,4SW=,4SW=,3NS=,3NS=| pn|Cheek,Stansby,Grue,Bramley,Granovette,Zia,Bates,Kamil|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SAT963H832DQ86CK9,SJ87HK764D94CA853,SKQ5HJT95DJ72C764,S42HAQDAKT53CQJT2|sv|o|nt|vugraphzfe: welcome back|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N!|an|14-16|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: for both pairs 1N = 14-16 1st/2nd seat and 3rd non-vul 15-17 3rd vul and 4th|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|d3|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|d6|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|s3|pc|c8|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dT|mc|11|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SAT963H832DQ86CK9,SJ87HK764D94CA853,SKQ5HJT95DJ72C764,S42HAQDAKT53CQJT2|sv|o|nt|Walddk2: http://usbf.org/docs/vugraphs/USBC2015/Bracket.php?stage=Roundof8|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2S!|an|weakest raise|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|d2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|c3|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|s2|pc|h8|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4S3HA43DA9742CKT84,SK87HKJT85DJT5CA7,SAJ42H6DK863CJ532,SQT965HQ972DQCQ96|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 10-15, 2+@D that also applies to both pairs|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|an|4/5 !S|mb|3D!|an|mixed raise|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|h3|pc|s7|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|h4|pc|s8|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4S3HA43DA9742CKT84,SK87HKJT85DJT5CA7,SAJ42H6DK863CJ532,SQT965HQ972DQCQ96|sv|n|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfu: Kamil "what would you have done if I'd bid 3@c?" Zia: "I'd pass"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfu: Z: "what happens to 2@s doubled? We start with 500" laughter|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Z: "I'd have bid 3@c with your hand because you can't handle the auction if I bid 3@h after you pass"|pg|| mb|2C!|an|Drury|mb|p|mb|2H|an|minimum|mb|d|mb|p|nt|barnets: South opened in other room|pg|| mb|2N|mb|d|nt|barnets: n/s do very well in diamonds|pg|| nt|barnets: zias x will show an opening bid|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: as 2@H is min|pg|| mb|3D|nt|barnets: over the drury 2@C|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d3|nt|Vugraphzfu: Kamil: "if I had one more queen ... that's what I've got, sorry"|pg|| nt|barnets: n/s actually have 11 tricks in diamonds|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|h3|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|h6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1S965HKT984DJ2C962,SKT2HAQ63DT54C843,SA874H2DA863CKT75,SQJ3HJ75DKQ97CAQJ|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: this is 3rd of 8 15-board segments|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4 segments tomorrow|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D always 10-15, 2+@D|pg|| pc|h9|nt|vugraphzfe: Rusinow|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Rusinow = 2nd of touching honors|pg|| nt|ahollan1: most play rusinow down to the 9 showing 10 or shortness|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: and often NOT in: partner's suit, raised suit|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: there are some other partnership specific qualifiers|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oh thanks Gene and some qualify Rusinow from suit of 4+ length otherwise std Honor|pg|| nt|ahollan1: best known pair with that agreement -- meckwell|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: historical note: originally rusinow was used only vs suit contracts [made famous by Italian Blue Team] now, many pairs only use rusinow vs NT|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|ahollan1: NS SSF [system summary form] confirms "Rusinow vs suits from known length"|pg|| pc|c2|pc|d5|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s6|pc|h6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|s8|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: voice commentary of Closed Room in our match [Roland loves to do commenatary of Zia's table]|pg|| pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1S965HKT984DJ2C962,SKT2HAQ63DT54C843,SA874H2DA863CKT75,SQJ3HJ75DKQ97CAQJ|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h9|nt|Vugraphzfu: Kamil: "the nine is?" Bates: "that shows the ten or shortness"|pg|| nt|barnets: south tries his best suit but it does now work this time|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sT|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h4|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d9|pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h5|mc|9|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SK876HQJ762D762C7,SJ95H984DAQ9CT865,SQT3HTDKT43CKQJ32,SA42HAK53DJ85CA94|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 1@D automatic for both pairs with north hand|pg|| mb|2C!|an|Majors|nt|ahollan1: for both pairs - and all USA big club pairs you'll see on vugraph 2@C opener requires 6+@C|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: original 6+@C or 5@C 4@H/@S is still used in Polish Club and forms of Precision being played in the rest of the world|pg|| mb|p!|an|!C|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c7|nt|ahollan1: I wonder what RDBL [rather than alerted pass] by Grue would mean|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|ritong: hi al hi all|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: bsr Henri|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|d6|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|s7|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cJ|mc|7|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SK876HQJ762D762C7,SJ95H984DAQ9CT865,SQT3HTDKT43CKQJ32,SA42HAK53DJ85CA94|sv|b|nt|barnets: playing 2@S n/s in open after west east overcalled 1n|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1N|nt|barnets: east overcalled 1n|pg|| mb|2C!|an|Majors|nt|barnets: south bid 2@C for majors|pg|| nt|barnets: same|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|nt|barnets: it went x p 2@h p 2@S all pass|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|barnets: perhaps east is worrying this is not a natural call|pg|| mb|3C|nt|barnets: and so he took it for minors|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|barnets: and ew are in trouble|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|nt|barnets: so they play 3-3 fit|pg|| nt|barnets: north might well have xd|pg|| nt|barnets: partner had shown the majors|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Zia: "we discussed 2NT is to play" Kamil: "but I thought if you had this you would DBL" Z: "we discussed it|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hT|pg|| nt|barnets: Kamil not unreasonably thought zia would x 2@C with some balanced values|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s7|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|s6|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c3|nt|barnets: so Bramley will pick up a swing here|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d2|pc|cT|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h8|nt|barnets: 100 plus all the undoubed undertricks|pg|| nt|barnets: if Bates had xd they may have run to 3N x|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s5|pg|| nt|barnets: which would not have been a great success|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h9|pc|dT|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SAKT765H96DA643C9,S32HKQJ3D72CKQJ72,SJ984H75DK985CA54,SQHAT842DQJTCT863|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2C|nt|ritong: close to 3@c|pg|| mb|3H!|an|!S raise|mb|3S|nt|ritong: grue prefers a less powerful bid|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@H [3M-1] probably defined as mixed raise|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: raptor would have worked super here|pg|| mb|p|nt|medwards: missed save|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i was just typing that Henri :)|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ritong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_convention|pg|| pc|h5|nt|ahollan1: Raptor (1@S)-1N = 4@H and 5+@C/@D so 4 of other major + longer minor|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h7|nt|phil: (hi guys)- except Raptor might get you to 5@h which plays two tricks worse than 5@c|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it would have to be 5@C|pg|| nt|ritong: hola clayton|pg|| nt|phil: :) bonjour amigo|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|s5|nt|dburn: if Bramley could have doubled 3@h to show hearts and clubs, that might also have worked|pg|| nt|ahollan1: over 1m - raptor shows 5+ other minor and 4 of either major|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|s8|nt|ritong: good point david|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but you have to give up the strong NT overcall|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|s7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dT|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SAKT765H96DA643C9,S32HKQJ3D72CKQJ72,SJ984H75DK985CA54,SQHAT842DQJTCT863|sv|n|nt|barnets: 9 imps|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2C|mb|3H!|an|mixed spade raise|mb|d|mb|4S|nt|barnets: 5@C is 300|pg|| nt|odysseus69: 5 clubs a save but 5 hearts not|pg|| mb|5H|nt|odysseus69: 4nt maybe |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: I think North should x|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|wstuart: po but -4 with best def|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|wstuart: not very accurate|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| nt|odysseus69: rather pathetic- non asggression policy - 2 doubles missed in a row |pg|| nt|barnets: who thinks norths pas is forcing ?|pg|| nt|wstuart: def not forcing for me|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cA|nt|barnets: north must have thought it was for sure|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|nt|barnets: or how could he pass /|pg|| pc|h6|pc|c7|pg|| mc|8|nt|odysseus69: not forcing - but still allowed to double -|pg|| pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4S872HAKQJ8DK7CK52,SQJ965HT952DAT5C7,SAK43H73DQ8642CJ3,STH64DJ93CAQT9864|sv|e|mb|3C|nt|dburn: "stolen bid" is widely despised, and in some cases deserves to be, but there are increasing numbers of cases where it is actually quite useful|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@H or 3N?|pg|| nt|dburn: 3NT normal nowadays|pg|| mb|3H|nt|dburn: and even in the days of old Methuselah it wasn't unknown|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|nt|phil: except 'stolen bid' referred to miner's claims and other property acquisitions David....:)|pg|| nt|ritong: i find 3@h is a cheeky bid, if you allow me this horrible pun|pg|| nt|dburn: but Cheek is either older than that or wiser than that, or very probably both|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pg|| nt|dburn: though in this case he may have chosen unwisely - 3NT would have made, but this won't|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|dburn: or at any rate shouldn't, though I suppose it might|pg|| pc|h9|pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: still - it is hard to argue against showing a 5-winner suit|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h8|nt|ritong: i do argue balanced hand, @c full stopper, quick tricks everything indicates a 3NT choice i m really surprised at cheek's choice perhaps the three @ss had their weight|pg|| pc|s5|pc|d4|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 5 Zia-Kamil do take 5@H save over 4@S -- but UNDOUBLED|pg|| pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: Kamil did choose DBL of North's 3@H bid where Bramley cuebid @S to show the @C fit|pg|| nt|dburn: that's what's known as a Category 2 save|pg|| pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: granovetter also bid 3@H rather than 3N|pg|| nt|dburn: Category 1 saves are ones that make; Category 2 saves are ones that don't get doubled;|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| nt|dburn: Category 3 saves are ones that get doubled but are cheap; Category 4 saves are ones that get doubled and are not cheap|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sounds like corollary to Zia's "heats"|pg|| nt|ritong: perhaps the category 5 are known as phantom saves|pg|| nt|dburn: Category 5 saves are ones that get doubled and would have been cheap if the enemy had been making; Category 6 saves are left as an exercise for the reader|pg|| nt|ahollan1: closed room it went 3@H-all pass|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it would never occur to me to PASS with north hand after 3@H|pg|| mc|9|nt|dburn: though they are known as "Cope sacrifices" after a player whose specialty they were before he emigrated from England to South Africa|pg|| pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4S872HAKQJ8DK7CK52,SQJ965HT952DAT5C7,SAK43H73DQ8642CJ3,STH64DJ93CAQT9864|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfu: Kamil: "we're trying to trick them into doubling us later when we've got it"|pg|| mb|3C|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: i think North had a clear double|pg|| nt|barnets: I like 3N over 3@C|pg|| nt|odysseus69: i like 3NT on South - Hamman said thats what you do|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: we both read the same books|pg|| nt|wstuart: There are 2 basic schools of thought on forcing passes. The Kaplan way is that you have to go out of your way to set up a force (with a cuebid or new suit) to create a force; ...|pg|| nt|wstuart: jumping to game doesn't create a force. The other is the Kokish way;|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| nt|wstuart: which is vulerability dependent forcing passes.|pg|| nt|barnets: well north plays one way and south the other|pg|| nt|wstuart: They both have merits but a partnershpis really needs to discuss those situations or at a minimum have come to agreement on general philosophy there.|pg|| nt|barnets: I dont think this is a regular partnership|pg|| nt|wstuart: True, I gave not seen Roger and Matt playing together before.|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s2|nt|barnets: cheek also bid 3@H over 3@C and was raised to game|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|d2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|d4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|c8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|c9|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cK|nt|wstuart: However, even if pass is not forcing, I think N should hit 5@H on IMP odds. They don't rate to make although they moight. However, the DBL only costs 4-5 IMPs if they make and ...|pg|| nt|wstuart: you might recover significant equity on the hand if 5@H goes more than 1.|pg|| mc|10|nt|odysseus69: well done|pg|| pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SKT5HKJ64DKQT64C7,S86H93DA832CQ9654,SAJ3HT875DJ75CJ82,SQ9742HAQ2D9CAKT3|sv|b|mb|1D|an|2+|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 10-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@S or DBL?|pg|| mb|1S|nt|dburn: both, given the chance|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i knew Bramley would bid 1@S - but thought the question might spark discussion|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@H probably promises unbalanced hand [and i would guess MINIMUM]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: with stronger hand - in context of non 1@C opener - cuebid 2@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: or 2N |pg|| mb|p|nt|dburn: Bramley was not really expecting that - he'd have doubled two, but three is a different business|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: maybe 2@S and 2N both show MAX + 4@H and differentiate BAL vs unbal|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hK|pc|c5|nt|dburn: well, if you have a non-strong-club and a balanced hand, it's hard to think that you have a raise to 3@h|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ahollan1: partial retraction - limited 1@D opener cannot have a balanced max with 4@H - that hand just opens 1N|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|nt|ritong: i was typing " depends of theit 1NT range"|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ritong: their*|pg|| pc|d4|mc|10|nt|ritong: however, i love any treatment which differentiates bal and unbal, when it makes full sense|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SKT5HKJ64DKQT64C7,S86H93DA832CQ9654,SAJ3HT875DJ75CJ82,SQ9742HAQ2D9CAKT3|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfu: Granovetter put the club 2 and diamond 7 on the table and said "double squeeze"|pg|| mb|1D|nt|barnets: 6 imps to bramley|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2H!|an|4 !hs|mb|d!|mb|p|nt|barnets: cheek bid 3@H with south hand and thats where they play|pg|| nt|odysseus69: partn er has bid 4 spades vulnerable- you have a good Ace and a useful feeling diamond king- a bad number of hearts - so even if pass was forcing you dont want to invite 5 spades - ...|pg|| nt|odysseus69: so clear double for me-|pg|| nt|barnets: I think thats right|pg|| nt|odysseus69: prefer double to 1 spade|pg|| nt|wstuart: Disagree; east hand is worth another bid later so he can DBL then. If he starts DBL now he loses possible 5-3 @S fits and he cannoth bid @S later because he will describe a very ...|pg|| nt|wstuart: differnt (stronger) hand.|pg|| nt|odysseus69: zia gets clubs into game|pg|| nt|barnets: east must be thinking of more than 3@C|pg|| mb|3C|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d9|nt|wstuart: it will be hard to underlead the @CAK to get his 2nd ruff.|pg|| nt|barnets: which diamond will zia return ?|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|nt|barnets: to give a ruff|pg|| pc|d5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|h2|pc|dT|pg|| nt|odysseus69: this is scary - 8 of diamonds fatal|pg|| pc|s2|nt|wstuart: What kind of SP are EW playing? std or upside down?|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s6|nt|wstuart: looks like std|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| nt|barnets: I dont think zia considered the possibility of @CA!K|pg|| nt|wstuart: last chance...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Kamil pulled out the @c 3 but now thinking - does look like the only way to beat it|pg|| nt|wstuart: I think Mike can see it's cold if he doesn't score the @HQ|pg|| nt|jtmckee: why cant he think there is a spade ruff|pg|| nt|odysseus69: the 1 spade bid is the cause - Zia visualised a spade ruff - hence 8 of diamonds|pg|| nt|barnets: zia did play his lowest heart|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: So maybe Zia's @d 8 was actually brilliant - forcing Kamil to find out that he needed to underlead the club honors?|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|nt|jtmckee: right|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|wstuart: wd|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|odysseus69: either cq or single spade|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|hQ|nt|barnets: well done|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|s8|nt|odysseus69: well done Kamil|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SK32HAT4DQJ8CT942,ST974HK2DK975CAK6,SAQ8H87DAT32CQ753,SJ65HQJ9653D64CJ8|sv|o|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: oh good - another nebulous 1@D|pg|| nt|ritong: so your point looks very valid to me, al in general|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S obligatory with 4@S so could be 4333|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|dburn: more or less obligatory for North to act now|pg|| nt|ahollan1: hand fed to me in support of max bal xx AQxx AKxxx xx|pg|| nt|dburn: the opponents could be stealing|pg|| nt|ahollan1: or even xx Axxx AKQxx xx|pg|| mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: where they might not open skewed 1N|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: sorry about the cross discussions|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thru 5 Ganzer 16-0 for the set but still trails Fireman by 31|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: EW use udca - IF they decide to signal|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: kamil gets to declare 2@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oops they're still bidding|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c6|nt|ahollan1: 7 3@H+1 vs 3@HX-1 9 imps to Cayne|pg|| pc|c5|pc|h5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|mc|10|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SK32HAT4DQJ8CT942,ST974HK2DK975CAK6,SAQ8H87DAT32CQ753,SJ65HQJ9653D64CJ8|sv|o|nt|barnets: that was a 20 imp play|pg|| nt|barnets: 9 imps in|pg|| nt|jtmckee: i was toldd zia s X wa ssnapdragon|pg|| nt|wstuart: He may not have been sure that west had another trump here, so tteh @C play has some extra ways to be right|pg|| nt|jtmckee: if that is the case then he couldd not have a stiff|pg|| nt|odysseus69: this plays well in NT for N/S|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Z & K discussing what the double was - Kamil "I didn't care what you thought" Zia "but I want to know" Zia "we lose a heart and a spade, make 6 clubs" Kamil: "a heart and 2 spades" ...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Zia: "I gave you a high spot in case you had the ace of spades"|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|Vugraphzfu: Zia: "it's not matchpoints, you know" Kamil: "oh, it isn't?" lots of laughter|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Bates' DBL fell off the tray and neither Granovetter nor I saw it, but Kamil got us back on track|pg|| nt|wstuart: This will not be a good time to hedge with a 2@S bid.|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: same contract in open|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dQ|nt|odysseus69: 10 tricks |pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| nt|wstuart: He has to get @C right to make 10 doesn't he?|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|cK|pg|| nt|warrens: also makes 3NT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|nt|wstuart: it is legitimate to play for @CH8 with east also|pg|| nt|warrens: if u can guess the @c's|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3S653HAQ76DT4CKT97,SAQ74HT5DA975CAJ5,SKJT9HKJ943DQCQ32,S82H82DKJ8632C864|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 10-15|pg|| mb|2N!|an|limit+|mb|p|mb|3D!|an|asks|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N = INV+ raise|pg|| mb|3H|an|bad limit|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: guessing that 3@D = interest in game opposite LR [with 3@C=game force]|pg|| pc|s8|nt|ahollan1: or as info filters from the table 3@D = RELAY|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|dK|nt|ritong: if a @s comes back..but no|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Bates in 3@H after 1@H-3@C[bergen?]-3@H|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: wish i knew what Grue's 3@C rebid would have been -- the actual auction seems inconsistent to me|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h4|pc|d2|pc|hA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d8|pc|c7|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c2|mc|9|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3S653HAQ76DT4CKT97,SAQ74HT5DA975CAJ5,SKJT9HKJ943DQCQ32,S82H82DKJ8632C864|sv|e|nt|Walddk2: http://www.bridgebum.com/snapdragon_double.php|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Z: "I should have gone up with the K, then he'd play me for the jack"|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|3C!|an|4 card mixed raise|nt|odysseus69: thin game - find the club jack|pg|| nt|odysseus69: dont think they will bid it|pg|| nt|wstuart: They won't get there.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: playing 4@H in open|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Hello All, superb Voice Commentary lower part of your screen, press "start"|pg|| nt|barnets: nort accepted game try|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| nt|odysseus69: needs 2 out of 2 finesses - ok 1 is 2 way and experts always do better than 50% on those but still not good|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| nt|barnets: zia will try and disguise the @CJ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d2|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|TopWizard: Grue accepts all of his own Invitations, other table :)|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h7|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|barnets: down 1 |pg|| mc|9|nt|barnets: in 4|pg|| pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4S842HQ853DJ953CKJ,SAQT65H64DT84CQ92,S73HAK72DAQ6CT543,SKJ9HJT9DK72CA876|sv|b|nt|barnets: in open|pg|| nt|barnets: 5 imps Bramley|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: I didn't see which club Bates had played - asked how many he made - Kamil said "4" Zia said "3" Bates said "in chess when you touch a piece you have to move it"|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h5|pc|c2|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|wstuart: DBLing 1@S has a lot going for it even though he only has 3@D, what do you think?|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| nt|odysseus69: this could get a write-up- no declarer not fooled|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|d6|pc|c6|pc|d5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c4|mc|7|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SJ8653HK9DAKQTC53,SKT97HAT75D7CAKQ8,SA4HQ632D653CJ742,SQ2HJ84DJ9842CT96|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|sT|pg|| nt|vugraphzfe: sorry, minimized browser when people left for break|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d5|pc|cT|pc|s8|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|d8|pc|dK|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SJ8653HK9DAKQTC53,SKT97HAT75D7CAKQ8,SA4HQ632D653CJ742,SQ2HJ84DJ9842CT96|sv|o|nt|TopWizard: Usually Sponsors play early Segments, then sit out and watch the war :) Cayne will probably play the first Segment tomorrow morning|pg|| nt|barnets: cu later need to go bye |pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|TopWizard: What will Zia do over 1@s|pg|| mb|1N|an|F1|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|TopWizard: S must bid 2@d|pg|| mb|d|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|meargent: im a 1nt bidder|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Kamil will bid 2! if he can|pg|| nt|wstuart: Overcalling 1NT with a stiff minor is considerably safer than overcalling 1NT with a stiff major.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|TopWizard: S will go down 1 or 2 here|pg|| nt|meargent: but zia will get the plus|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| nt|wstuart: A nervous spot for west to be in. It is easy to get stolen from with NV opps bidding a forcing NT; it could be anything.|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s9|nt|wstuart: (or nothing) :)|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pg|| nt|TopWizard: What a play, if S has @sQueen could have cost a trick|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://usbf.org/docs/vugraphs/USBC2015/Bracket.php?stage=Roundof8|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Nice D so far with the good fortune of Kamil having the trump Queen|pg|| nt|odysseus69: diamond to 10 now|pg|| nt|pelu: http://usbf.org/docs/vugraphs/USBC2015/Bracket.php?stage=Roundof8|pg|| nt|odysseus69: something about time Joey|pg|| nt|meargent: sorry was sleeping|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Zia knew that S had the @h King, so not truly endplayed, but this is better for possible -2|pg|| nt|odysseus69: how about a NEXT - maybe Mathew will hear you|pg|| nt|meargent: mathew obviously is sleeping also|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Granovetter famous for lack of speed as Zia is for the fast lane :)|pg|| nt|TopWizard: We have a fine Op Arline, she may wake Matthew up|pg|| nt|odysseus69: kib says Diamond ace king - think thats best|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Bates & I are yawning at each other|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg|| nt|meargent: maybe mathew is preying|pg|| nt|meargent: his tempo is certainly preying on me\|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dA|nt|TopWizard: I'm told Jan Martel is the fine Op here, despite Arline's name in place|pg|| pc|sT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|h2|pc|cT|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hK|pg|| nt|odysseus69: will say he played too quickly|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SJT96HAQTDA62C986,SA42H95432DK54CT5,SKQ87H876DQ7CKJ72,S53HKJDJT983CAQ43|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: another nebulous 1@D|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S tends to deny 4+@H unless game force|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i believe 2@S promises 4-fit but some precision pairs allow with 3451 shape|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c5|nt|dburn: some Standard pairs also|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|s2|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|dburn: and I heard a rumor that someone bid like that in France the other day - mind you, he has since been excommunicated|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SJT96HAQTDA62C986,SA42H95432DK54CT5,SKQ87H876DQ7CKJ72,S53HKJDJT983CAQ43|sv|n|nt|TopWizard: So -2 as predicted|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Zia "I had a penalty DBL but I was afraid you might not pass" Kamil: "I would never play a close penalty dBL, then you might have to underlead an AK to beat it :)"|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Kamil will open|pg|| nt|wstuart: could be a pssout|pg|| mb|p|nt|odysseus69: 2 diamonds is spot|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Some N's will not open 11 unless NV|pg|| mb|p|nt|wstuart: with a bad hand and 2-2 majors he might let it go|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|meargent: 11 points and a 7 loser certainly an opening|pg|| nt|odysseus69: going down |pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cK|nt|odysseus69: prefer usual boring trump lead|pg|| pc|cA|nt|TopWizard: May be nip an tuck here|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|d4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|nt|TopWizard: Kamil should have ducked a @s for easy entry?|pg|| nt|odysseus69: trump now for sure|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|TopWizard: So -1|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Granovetter will lead a low @d of course|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Can't cost since N-S will get in again next trick|pg|| nt|odysseus69: not if he plays ace of diamonds|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hK|nt|TopWizard: Oh, MY!!|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfu: Granovetter: "Sorry"|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Could *never* cost to lead low :(|pg|| pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SAKT532HQJT94D3C4,SJ874HAK65D764CJ7,S9H732DAT8CAK9865,SQ6H8DKQJ952CQT32|sv|b|mb|2C!|an|natural limited|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = 10-15, 6+@C|pg|| mb|3H!|an|6+ !S-4+!H GF|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@H probably INV+ @S|pg|| nt|dburn: meanwhile, at the other table Bates passed his 11-count not once but twice, defended 2@d and went minus|pg|| nt|ahollan1: usually there is a mechanism to show 5+5+ game force, but maybe Cheek doesn't want to give away all that much info|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: oh nice job from John to get the explanation 2@C-3@H = 6+@S 4+@H, FG|pg|| nt|dburn: nice work if you can get it|pg|| mb|p|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| nt|dburn: especially if dummy has the seven of hearts|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|h2|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|dburn: maybe three rounds of trump would have worked, the spade spots being what they are|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|dburn: but maybe Cheek should have cashed the second top spade before playing the low one - he may never make it now|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|c5|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|c6|nt|dburn: it is almost instinctive to play as Cheek did - ace and ruff, not risking an overruff, rather than ace-king and ruff|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|s3|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cQ|nt|dburn: but it is remarkable how often it is wrong|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SAKT532HQJT94D3C4,SJ874HAK65D764CJ7,S9H732DAT8CAK9865,SQ6H8DKQJ952CQT32|sv|b|mb|1C|nt|odysseus69: but life is easy if he just starts with trump|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|an|Snapdragon I think|mb|2C|nt|TopWizard: Granovetter will bid to game, 4@s suffers from bad split and W has several @d's to reduce S's trumps|pg|| mb|2D|nt|TopWizard: S has to lose a long @s|pg|| mb|3S|nt|TopWizard: Zia will probably make 3@h's and 1@s|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|nt|ritong: impressive stop|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Now 5 sure losers|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d3|pg|| nt|odysseus69: warned off hearts by zia's double - not sure whats best - neither making|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|nt|TopWizard: Zia did not give the @h ruff|pg|| nt|TopWizard: So +140 now|pg|| nt|ritong: double on left certainly was ominous however he has QJ109|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|c5|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|ritong: so i admire his guts vulnerable|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|c6|pc|dK|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4ST83HKT73DA43CAQ3,SAKQJ7H92DKQ2CJ94,S94H854DJ7CT87652,S652HAQJ6DT9865CK|sv|o|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: more nebulous @D openers!!!|pg|| mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: an example of 5 winner suit overcalling NT rather than the suit|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ok earlier hand was 3-level, but still|pg|| mb|2N|an|puppet|mb|p|mb|3S!|an|5!S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N = Puppet Stayman used with AT MOST 1 4-card major [but could be none]|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|ahollan1: 3@S = 5@S but you already guessed that|pg|| pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: prototypical hand that use Puppet Stayman without a 4-card major will be (32) either way in the majors|pg|| nt|vugraphzfe: pause by Cheek|pg|| nt|ahollan1: DIRECTOR -- he's thinking!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: hideous hog: if you're going to make a mistake - make it quickly|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so Cheek will do the right thing |pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: nice unblock from Stansby|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|c7|pc|s6|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d2|nt|dburn: well, he did the right thing in terms of taking his best chance to beat the contract|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Cheek hoping lead was singleton|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: right David|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: don't see any chance if @DJx|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h7|pc|c9|nt|dburn: and even the Hideous Hog wasn't too hard on his partner for letting through an overtrick|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no room for any other honor in North|pg|| mc|10|nt|ahollan1: ok - maybe Grue could have @CJ|pg|| pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4ST83HKT73DA43CAQ3,SAKQJ7H92DKQ2CJ94,S94H854DJ7CT87652,S652HAQJ6DT9865CK|sv|o|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: strange lapse by Zia|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1S|nt|TopWizard: Will Zia bid 1NT :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|TopWizard: 3@h excellent call of course, "Bid where you live" say many experts|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|Vugraphzfu: Kamil: "well, who knows?"|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Beauty sleep won't work for Commentators :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Zia: "hmmmm"|pg|| pc|d5|nt|odysseus69: that lead doesnt work|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dK|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s5|nt|TopWizard: Kamil allows Zia the last mistake in bidding :)|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c8|pc|s6|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d2|pc|c2|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dT|mc|10|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SAK94H62DQ95CT863,S62HKQT5DT864CQ72,S7HA974DAKJ732CJ9,SQJT853HJ83DCAK54|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: but that doesn't affect defense |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: final board of the 3rd octet|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: just enough time for one last 1@D opener|pg|| nt|dburn: not so shabby to get to 3NT and make it|pg|| mb|2S!|an|short !S, good hand|mb|3S|nt|ahollan1: schedule says restart in 20 minutes|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry 30 minutes|pg|| nt|dburn: but the result may be duplicated|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N presumably denies 4+@H, so Grue doesn't bother showing that suit [i'm guessing]|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: bbo creed: claim early, claim often|pg|| nt|ahollan1: scores will be posted to http://usbf.org/docs/vugraphs/USBC2015/Bracket.php?stage=Roundof8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nothing there yet for this segment|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SAK94H62DQ95CT863,S62HKQT5DT864CQ72,S7HA974DAKJ732CJ9,SQJT853HJ83DCAK54|sv|n|nt|TopWizard: N and E will battle in the pointed suits here |pg|| nt|ritong: cold 3NT suspect it won t be a cakewalk to reach that|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Granovetter: "I could have made youw ork harder if I ducked" Zia: "I give you a club ........ yes it would have been harder"|pg|| mb|p!|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|Vugraphzfu: Z, after several comments about play "if you duck it I can still make it"|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|TopWizard: Thanks to Written and Voice Commentators, Super Op Jan Martel, BBO and the USBF, Chicago Hosts, and to our our active and fine Spectators :)|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfu: This table is way ahead of the others, so there will be a fairly long break before the next segment here. It's scheduled for 6:10 Chicago time and will probably be about then|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: surely 3NT now |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|odysseus69: well done|pg|| nt|ritong: nice 3@d bid|pg|| nt|TopWizard: Set will begin after the 6:45 advertised start, about 20 minutes probably|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: With all the matches playing the same boards, we have to wait for everyone to finish before starting the next set|pg|| pc|hK|nt|TopWizard: Last session probably 20 minutes from now|pg|| mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfu: Granovetter: "nice bid, Roger"|pg|| nt|ritong: merci a tous, esp jan@h|pg|| nt|odysseus69: you see Joey - Mathew plays quickly when no problem|pg|| nt|odysseus69: thx all|pg|| pg||