vg|2014 Spingold SemiFinal B,Segment 1 of 4,I,1,16,Team Assael,0,Schwartz,0| rs|4SW+1,4SW+1,2SE-2,2SE-2,4HS-1,3CN=,2HS=,1NW+4,5CN-1,4SW-1,PASS,3HS-1,3NN-1,3NS-1,2HW-1,3NS-3,6CS=,6CS=,2CN=,1NW-1,3NE=,3NW=,2SW-2,2SW-2,4HN=,4HN=,3SE-1,4SE-3,3NW+1,6NW=,4HW=,4HW+1| pn|Tokay,Schwartz,Sementa,Graves,Fisher,Smirnov,R Schwartz,Piekarek|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3S53HJ4DT874CKJT98,SAKQ9842HT7DAKQC5,SJ6HKQ8653DJ2CA63,ST7HA92D9653CQ742|sv|o|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N!|an|Semi-forcing|mb|2H!|nt|Vugraphzfg: East wrote that 2@H was Michaels - don't know what West thinks|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfg: Now West explains to S that 2@h is usually Michaels|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3S53HJ4DT874CKJT98,SAKQ9842HT7DAKQC5,SJ6HKQ8653DJ2CA63,ST7HA92D9653CQ742|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: we'd hoped today would be different|pg|| mb|1H|nt|vugraphzfh: The rooms are very close to one another, so security is an ongoing issue|pg|| nt|ahollan1: [unless using original windows bbo] click on player name to access convention cards, pic, other goodies|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: original seed for our teams Schwartz 19 Team Assael [4-man team] 10|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Players seem to be in a relaxed, even mildly jovial, mood so far :)|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|jacksond: West hasnt given up on slam yet. maybe now|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|hA|mc|11|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SKJ98HAT6DQT7CKJ7,SQ7543H973DA64CT4,ST2HQJ52DJ832CQ98,SA6HK84DK95CA6532|sv|n|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|!ss|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s4|pc|h2|pc|c2|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|d2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SKJ98HAT6DQT7CKJ7,SQ7543H973DA64CT4,ST2HQJ52DJ832CQ98,SA6HK84DK95CA6532|sv|n|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 1N = 14-17|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|nt|vugraphzfh: Fisher "I wasted my beer card"|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|hK|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|s3|nt|jacksond: South fairly confident of setting this contract now|pg|| pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1S7653HAK95DAKJT8C,SAKQJ9H7D9752CK86,S8HJT6DQ64CAJT973,ST42HQ8432D3CQ542|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|h6|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1S7653HAK95DAKJT8C,SAKQJ9H7D9752CK86,S8HJT6DQ64CAJT973,ST42HQ8432D3CQ542|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d3|mc|9|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SA94HAK832DQ5C753,SJ82HQT7DAJ3CAQ98,SKQ76H654D764CJT2,ST53HJ9DKT982CK64|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfg: Sorry, I lost connection to internet for a moment - all I know is that they said -1|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|h3|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s7|mc|8|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SA94HAK832DQ5C753,SJ82HQT7DAJ3CAQ98,SKQ76H654D764CJT2,ST53HJ9DKT982CK64|sv|b|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h4|mc|11|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SQ94HQT87654DKCA8,SKT732HD987432CT6,SJH3DAJT65CKQ9742,SA865HAKJ92DQCJ53|sv|n|nt|meargent: thats some treatment of tokays hand pass over 1@D then come in over 1nt|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|meargent: think maybe schwartz could have chanced 1@S instead of passing|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|meargent: an agressive contract will not be easy to make|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Tokay shrugs as he puts dummy down|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cT|nt|meargent: trump now?|pg|| nt|medwards: Club at trick two |pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s2|pc|c4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d6|pc|cJ|pc|h6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|nt|begse: hi all|pg|| nt|medwards: Hello|pg|| nt|begse: hi Mike|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SQ94HQT87654DKCA8,SKT732HD987432CT6,SJH3DAJT65CKQ9742,SA865HAKJ92DQCJ53|sv|n|mb|2N!|mb|3C!|nt|ahollan1: 2N = 5+@C 5+@D a) 5-11 b) 17+|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: 3@C = @H & @S, unequal length|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@D would show 55|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if interested Smirnov could ask for longer with 3@D|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: reading NS CC they are not using pure Rusinow leads [2nd from touching honors]|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|d2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: just Q asks attitude and can be KQx or QJT(x)|pg|| pc|h4|pc|d3|pc|h3|pc|h9|pg|| nt|game over: hi Al, hi all|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|c2|pc|sA|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: Gary just trying to catch up from the multiple room crashes|pg|| pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4ST83HKQT832D94CA3,SQJ542HA7D76C8742,SA6H95DQJT83CQJT5,SK97HJ64DAK52CK96|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfg: S & E looking at their partner's hands|pg|| nt|medwards: I would pass Norths hand|pg|| pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4ST83HKQT832D94CA3,SQJ542HA7D76C8742,SA6H95DQJT83CQJT5,SK97HJ64DAK52CK96|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: eventually West will become Smirnov and East Piekarek|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Director: "Slow down, you're playing too fast" chuckles all around|pg|| mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 14-17|pg|| mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = @H not sure if that needs an alert|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Highly Unusual Methods = HUM! :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|nt|game over: it is a close decision whether South should overcall or not because against a 14-17 NT you can sometimes make a game on values alone, so you need to keep your bids constructively|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i don't think i've seen NS treatment before (1N)-DBL = @S + another 2m=m+@H|pg|| pc|s6|nt|game over: I play this treatment with one of my regular partners, too early to draw any conclusions on it|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think overcall is automatic |pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Fisher put down the card @h2 for his bid, Smirnov countered by putting down the actual card @s2 :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i was wondering at favorable vul what adjustment is needed to bid 3@H rather than 2@H|pg|| nt|game over: it looks natural to overtake and return a heart|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Sorry for the connection problems, at least the room is well aired and comfortable, a problem in earlier matches|pg|| nt|game over: at least we know that at least 98 kiebitzers really want to see this table ;)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other match has also been losing connections but with less frequency|pg|| nt|reisig: It wasn't me - that pulled the plug :)|pg|| nt|jacksond: I think it must be the NSA bugging devices interfereing with the signal or else wondering are Al's technical comments some sort of code|pg|| nt|ahollan1: who does get to pull the plug for you Richie?|pg|| nt|game over: if declarer (or East) plays a heart, West should duck smoothly, this keeps control over the trump suit and allows for a misguess in hearts|pg|| nt|reisig: :)|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: whoa that was way dark -- even for me|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|s2|pc|d3|pc|h6|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1S732HJ32DJ932CAQ9,S9865H9876D6CKT64,SQJHAQT4DAKQTC873,SAKT4HK5D8754CJ52|sv|b|nt|meargent: graves has substanially increased his opening standards|pg|| nt|medwards: Might be operator error here|pg|| nt|medwards: Kanadian humor|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: No there isn't - Schwartz said "you had 14 points" Graves: "did I miscount my hand?"|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz: "we don't make a game"|pg|| nt|meargent: not that way he wont|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|!|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|meargent: what is NS NT range?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: NOt sure what the alerts were, or the NT range, sorry!|pg|| pc|sA|nt|meargent: whats tokay doing over 1NT?|pg|| nt|begse: ASSAEL SALVADOR is the of a famous Turkish bridge international who passed away 2 years ago |pg|| nt|meargent: i guess he is looking for a minus|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|begse: this team is named by their friens esp. by TOKAY|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|nt|meargent: ah he was only inviting a minus|pg|| pc|s8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c9|pc|s9|pc|c7|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz put screen down to ask something - I think about 2@h and Tokay said no but I don't know to what question, sorry!|pg|| nt|medwards: A crane rule was never invite on a square eight|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfg: Sementa: "18" - then some more that I couldn't quite get - guess he agrees with you, Joey|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1S732HJ32DJ932CAQ9,S9865H9876D6CKT64,SQJHAQT4DAKQTC873,SAKT4HK5D8754CJ52|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: NS use both 1@C and 1@D as 2+suit|pg|| pc|h8|nt|reisig: I bet against making here :)|pg|| nt|game over: a fairly normal 3NT contract not that bad (given West must lead) and spades can be 4-4 and the heart finesse is on|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but i'm not sure which balanced ranges are shown with one versus the other|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: if forced to guess 1@C includes weak NT 1@D includes hand too strong for 1N opener|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d2|pc|s8|pc|c7|pg|| mc|8|nt|jacksond: Well South probably bids it anyway even if North only bids two. But invitational 2NT is unknown to certain age groups|pg|| pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SK3HAQJ7DA4CJ6542,SA65HKTDKQ982CA97,SQJ987H32D63CKQT8,ST42H98654DJT75C3|sv|o|nt|meargent: i guess its a good basis for a partnership sementa underbids (who would believe) and toky overbids|pg|| mb|1N|nt|Vugraphzfg: Now Sementa asks about K of clubs and Graves points to Schwartz|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c7|nt|begse: very few contracts made so far|pg|| pc|c8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h2|pg|| nt|begse: seems a set of underbidders|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|s8|pc|d7|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|cT|pc|dT|nt|begse: necessary shift|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|h8|pg|| mc|7|nt|Vugraphzfg: Short break|pg|| nt|meargent: the excitement apparently has been too much for the players|pg|| nt|begse: whatever the reason is not to play the same hands in semi-final matches not a good idea to me|pg|| nt|begse: will be more exciting for specs if they have the same hands in all matches|pg|| nt|meargent: indeed|pg|| nt|begse: probably security reasons but dont like the idea|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: We're back|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SK3HAQJ7DA4CJ6542,SA65HKTDKQ982CA97,SQJ987H32D63CKQT8,ST42H98654DJT75C3|sv|o|nt|reisig: Totally normal contract|pg|| mb|1C!|an|Baltic|nt|ahollan1: in college we found all game invites were accepted so we redefined them to be slam tries!|pg|| mb|1S|nt|reisig: Crazy comes later :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = multi-purpose forcing|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Baltic Club is derived from, but different than Polish Club|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: biggest difference Baltic 1@C includes all hands with primary @C length where Polish uses 1@C or Precision 2@C depending on hand strength|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|nt|ahollan1: both pairs udca|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Some Israeli discussion taking place when dummy put down|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm trying to find out if we're supposed to have video -- unfortunately bbo shows button/tab even if no live feed|pg|| nt|jacksond: Was 2NT forcing here ?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@C was game force|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm told live video only for the other match|pg|| nt|game over: East-West must get the signalling situation right. Bbut even without signals West sees the dummy and knows declarer will develop enough tricks given he has enough time, so not much ...|pg|| nt|game over: he can do but return a diamond. |pg|| nt|jacksond: Seems North could have had less for a nv overcall at one level so forcing to game is not clear|pg|| nt|ahollan1: they also have voice commentary, larger audience and slightly less frequent room crashes|pg|| nt|game over: if East knew that South had a doubleton diamond, he could play the @d 7 to indicate the @d J (given you play UDCA count signals at Trick 1)|pg|| nt|game over: but West's diamond length is a surprise for all players|pg|| nt|sixela: as long as he knows pd is leading from length, he can play the J, showing the T and avoiding any further complications|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Fisher was disappointed in dummy, partner away from table, apparently waiting for partner to return|pg|| nt|game over: yes, true, I was just saying the trick of playing the second lowest card to indicate an honour does not work here|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Coming back now|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: why not @DJ?|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: you won't do that from original Jx(x)|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|game over: partner's lead can be from a three card suit from East's point of view (although it is not clear how you can beat the contract if West does not have five diamonds)|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|d4|pg|| nt|game over: or four diamonds|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s7|pc|d7|nt|sixela: it would be bizarre if W led from fewer than 4|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| pc|d9|nt|game over: a careful heart return by East|pg|| nt|game over: no, West would lead one of the unbid suits and he is short in hearts (and possibly short in diamonds as well) from East's point of view|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Play erratic and cards being slammed|pg|| mc|6|nt|vugraphzfh: Fisher is very, very upset|pg|| pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SK63HK8DA92CAK763,S985H9532DQ853CT8,SAQ2H7DKJT74CQ952,SJT74HAQJT64D6CJ4|sv|e|mb|1D|nt|Vugraphzfg: Both matches are in the same room, with very little space between the tables, which is why they're not playing the same boards. |pg|| mb|2H|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfg: When I took an unofficial poll a few years back about whether specs preferred same match or not, some said preferred different because that way if the boards are boring they could ...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: watch the other match and maybe have interesting hands :)|pg|| mb|4C|an|alerted by S|mb|p|nt|medwards: Why is that. The playing areas are very big at the palying site.|pg|| nt|meargent: should bid the slam from here|pg|| mb|4D!|nt|Vugraphzfg: The big playing areas are right near where there is loud music in the evening|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|medwards: Oh|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|6C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|begse: fisher managed to find the @d queen|pg|| pc|h5|nt|meargent: as will tokay|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| nt|medwards: Yes he will get an inferential count.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Graves asks if there was a Blackwood bid here and Sementa says no, Schwartz says that Tokay told him 4@c was Blackwood. No further discussion about it|pg|| nt|medwards: Plus easier to pick up Q 4th|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c5|pc|h4|pc|cA|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s9|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Tokay put screen down to ask about 2@h bid when at unfavorable. Schwartz says still weak|pg|| nt|begse: now it is against the odds to play GRAVES for the queen|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h3|pc|c9|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|hT|pg|| mc|12|nt|begse: wd|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SK63HK8DA92CAK763,S985H9532DQ853CT8,SAQ2H7DKJT74CQ952,SJT74HAQJT64D6CJ4|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: i was trying to think [difficult] if auction also supports idea of west having 4+@D|pg|| mb|1D|mb|2H|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=2+ if anyone has a good feel for when 1@C is bal vs when 1@D is bal -- please send me a message|pg|| nt|jacksond: Perhaps it is a long time since he went down in 3NT on two hands in a row?|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D!|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: 4@D RKC for @C?|pg|| mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|nt|game over: if NS land in 6@c declarer can get a partial count of the hand, but will he play East for 3622 or 4612 in the end?|pg|| mb|6C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4N follow-up doesn't seem to be consistent with 4@D=RKC|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| nt|game over: as far as we can tell East bid 2@h very fast, but I am not sure whether a slow 2@h would imply the former or the latter distribution|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: [i would expect 4@S to ask for trump q]|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|d4|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|h5|pc|c9|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s9|pg|| pc|c7|pc|h9|nt|game over: in some countries you can play a diamond from South at an early trick, West will automatically hesitate with the queen ;) :)|pg|| pc|c5|pc|hT|pg|| pc|c6|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d9|nt|game over: but the game at the very top is very ethical, so this would obivously not work here :)|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|nt|game over: East did well to hide the @s J|pg|| nt|jacksond: dont see point of last club. Just means you go two down if you finesse|pg|| mc|12|nt|jacksond: and its wrong|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SKQJ63HQJ2DA8CQT2,S98542HT85DKQCA43,S7HK743DT952CJ975,SATHA96DJ7643CK86|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|an|Max overcall|nt|meargent: not sure i would ballance wit graves hand|pg|| nt|medwards: Good point.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Tokay wrote something about DBL, but I can't quite read it - I think that he had a max overcall|pg|| nt|meargent: actually i am sure and i wouldnt|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Graves thought for a long time before doubling (at least it seemed long to me)|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|meargent: i am sure i wouldnt ballance over 1NT with tokays hand|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Now I can lean forward and read Tokay's note and it does indeed say "Max overcall"|pg|| mb|p|pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Sementa asks about lead - 3rd and 5th|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| nt|begse: q of @c shd be ducked for defence declarer can notplay a @s through dummy|pg|| nt|begse: careful play by sementha|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|c9|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SKQJ63HQJ2DA8CQT2,S98542HT85DKQCA43,S7HK743DT952CJ975,SATHA96DJ7643CK86|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: down 1 vs down 2 not terrible thing|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: well done by Fisher|pg|| nt|jacksond: well good chance same contract in other room|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 5+@D or 4441@C/@S|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|nt|game over: it is normal to bid 1NT with a 9-count but since you have five low spades, you can also pass and if East passes 1@s is not a bad contract for you; the biggest problem with passing ...|pg|| nt|game over: is if East has a good hand, but then 3NT is far away (and East can bid 1TN after 1@s p p back to him)|pg|| pc|c5|pc|sT|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| mc|7|nt|vugraphzfh: Sorry, down 1, will enter that as the result|pg|| pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1S76HKT82DA74CQ972,SQ95HAJ7DKJ965C83,SJT83H654D32CKJT4,SAK42HQ93DQT8CA65|sv|o|nt|danmathies: wd|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz asks "what were your diamonds" Sementa: "ten fourth"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|p|an|<3 !ss|mb|3C|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz puts the spades down "you know what that means" Graves "bad hand" Schwartz "Yes, but I Do have 5"|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| nt|medwards: Sporting double by South between two bidders and a passed partner|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h7|pc|c4|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c7|pc|hJ|pc|cT|pc|s2|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1S76HKT82DA74CQ972,SQ95HAJ7DKJ965C83,SJT83H654D32CKJT4,SAK42HQ93DQT8CA65|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ahollan1: 1@D still 5+ or 4441@C/@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S sometimes 3-suit|pg|| nt|jacksond: The 6 clubs on B 9 has been bid in other room. Would expect a flat board|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h7|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c7|pc|hJ|pc|cJ|pc|h3|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SQ75HT96DA974CAK2,SJT43HJ7DK852C653,S82HA542DQT6CQJT4,SAK96HKQ83DJ3C987|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d4|nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz asked something I couldn't quite hear - maybe spot card leads in middle of hand|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h8|pc|sQ|pc|d8|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SQ75HT96DA974CAK2,SJT43HJ7DK852C653,S82HA542DQT6CQJT4,SAK96HKQ83DJ3C987|sv|n|mb|1C!|an|Baltic|mb|p|mb|1H!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = mult-purpose, forcing |pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = F1 a) 0-6 HCP [maybe 7 HCP not 4+@H/@S] b) 7-11 HCP, wrong for 1N, not 4@H/@S, not 10-11 (31)(54) c) 13-15 HCP, (23)44, weak 2 d) 16+ HCP, BAL, not 4@H/@S, not 5@C/@D|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: and that's the last time i'll copy/paste THAT tome|pg|| mb|p|pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: did Smirny really psych 1@C??|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oh and now 1@C-1@H which is 7+ hcp, maybe 3-suit|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c9|pg|| nt|game over: they are still playing not sure what went wrong here, but something did...|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| nt|bebechira: Al Hollander http://livebridge.net/bbo/wbf/player.php?wbf=99901|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| mc|6|nt|ahollan1: even if Smirnov did psych 1@C Piek's auction doesn't match my old notes :(|pg|| nt|bebechira: Matthias Felmy http://livebridge.net/bbo/wbf/player.php?wbf=6109|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: On break, way ahead here|pg|| pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SJ843HQJT63DATCQT,SK62H75DQ4C976542,SA97HK94DKJ532CKJ,SQT5HA82D9876CA83|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz asks Tokay how many spades he had and Tokay says 3|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|!hs|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3H|an|FG, 5 !hs or longer spades than !hs|nt|Vugraphzfg: Tokay writing something, maybe I'll get to see it sometime|pg|| nt|begse: probably this shows 5+@h 4@s gf|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S!|an|3 !ss|mb|p|mb|3N!|an|5 !hs, 4 !ss|mb|p|mb|4H!|an|!hs (don't have 4)|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfg: I'm not sure whether S showed 4 @ss or just 5@hs. I know that N showed 3 @ss and said he wouldn't have 4 @hs|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: I take that back, N said 3NT showed 5 @hs, 4 @ss - I wasn't reading the note right|pg|| nt|begse: 3@h showed min 4@s|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| nt|begse: 3@s showed 3 3nt denied 5@s and choice of games|pg|| nt|begse: ý am wondering what 2@c then jump in a minor means|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|h9|pg|| nt|begse: too complicated:)|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SJ843HQJT63DATCQT,SK62H75DQ4C976542,SA97HK94DKJ532CKJ,SQT5HA82D9876CA83|sv|b|nt|vugraphzfh: Back!|pg|| mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: in the other match, playing different boards :( 4 seed Monaco 34 8 seed Lavazza 10|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|nt|ahollan1: our teams seeded Assael 10 Schwartz 19|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N = good 14 - bad 18|pg|| mb|3S!|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzfh: Appears to be a Smolen auction.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: At this level, "seeds" really don't matter all that much.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Any of the top 32 teams were capable of beating any other.|pg|| nt|game over: note that spades are frozen|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but it was my turn to type Gary|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i thought break would be longer :)|pg|| nt|game over: that is neither WEst nor East can play spades without giving up a trick in that suit|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@S = Smolen 4M 5OM, FG|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: And thus, declarer is free to set up @d's, right?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in recent USBC [usa trials] Kevin Dwyer made what i thought was a very clever psych of Smolen rebid|pg|| nt|game over: so at some point East must open the spades because otherwise declarer can simply discard three spades on the diamonds (if he still has an entry to table)|pg|| nt|jacksond: generally any reasonble 5 card suit makes a 14 count good|pg|| nt|ahollan1: he did have 5OM but only 2 of the suit where ostensibly he was showing 4|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Piekarek in deep thought, head in hands|pg|| nt|game over: Piekarek might as well lead a spade here, not clear which spade to lead (because he has to follow to four rounds of diamonds), the @s Q can easily be brilliant|pg|| nt|game over: or really bad|pg|| pc|d8|nt|jacksond: No double digit swing in this match after 10 boards|pg|| nt|bebechira: this is North http://livebridge.net/bbo/wbf/player.php?wbf=12474|pg|| nt|game over: (I don't think a lead is briiliant unless you have a good reason to choose it) so perhaps a better wording would be can be easily winning|pg|| nt|bebechira: South http://livebridge.net/bbo/wbf/player.php?wbf=17988|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Agreed, Matthias :)|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|bebechira: West http://livebridge.net/bbo/wbf/player.php?wbf=3480|pg|| nt|ahollan1: do you think double-digit swing would make the connection more stable?|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg|| nt|bebechira: East http://livebridge.net/bbo/wbf/player.php?wbf=7668|pg|| nt|jacksond: probaly worse|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Wishful thinking, Al :)|pg|| pc|h4|nt|ahollan1: delusional|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hT|pc|c2|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|s3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|hJ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sT|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SQ642HKQJ75D97CA2,SAK8H84DJ864CKJ96,SJHT962DQ532CQ754,ST9753HA3DAKTCT83|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfg: Sementa & Tokay discussing something. Sementa said "yeah but" several times. Don't know what they were discussing|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz asks who had 9 of spades - Graves "Antonio had it"|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N!|an|semi forcing|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|meargent: west in my opinon too good for semiforcing nt|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|meargent: since he would not invite 3 @Ss over easts next bid but rather 4@Ss|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz mumbles "I almost had a 2@c bid" Then "more than semi-forcing - semi-forcing forcing"|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hA|pg|| nt|meargent: he did well to bid only 3@Ss on this UCTION|pg|| nt|begse: 3s can make conservative 1nt worked this time but ý agree with Mike quality honors yu have|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Maybe depends on how sound the opening bid is? As opening bids get lighter, need more to force to game :)|pg|| nt|medwards: Jan is right on point|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Sementa: "it's a problem in 3" Schwartz, who didn't hear, said "let me in on it" Then "I want to know what Jan would bid with my hand :)"|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sK|nt|medwards: Dinos like Joey and me would never bid a non forcing NT with thw East hand|pg|| pc|hT|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg|| nt|medwards: Semi I mean|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|d7|pg|| nt|meargent: or the west hand|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|h3|pg|| nt|medwards: WEst I mean|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|d6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c7|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SQ642HKQJ75D97CA2,SAK8H84DJ864CKJ96,SJHT962DQ532CQ754,ST9753HA3DAKTCT83|sv|o|nt|game over: it is not easy to see a layout where you can beat the contract, so I think I like a low spade lead (perhaps you have two spade tricks)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: We would never call the esteemed Mr. Hollander "delusional", it's his own term :)|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3C!|nt|ahollan1: 2N ostensibly 4+fit, FG|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@C = 11-13|pg|| mb|4S|nt|jacksond: ok we wont quibble with esteemed|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|game over: yesterday, two of Germany's stars commentated on a slightly better 11-count with five spade they would pass (one mentioned he would especially pass with five spades). Piekarek does ...|pg|| nt|game over: not agree|pg|| nt|ahollan1: u shouldn't quibble with delusional either|pg|| nt|ahollan1: right now one of them, roland rohowsky is doing commentary in the other match|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Both tables playing equally quickly here!|pg|| nt|game over: declarer will probably win and start with the @s 10|pg|| nt|jacksond: He has three Tens and the Ace King are in the same suit|pg|| nt|ahollan1: quickly isn't a term that is normally associated with smirnov-piekarek|pg|| nt|game over: even if you don't have a finesse position in spades, giving up a spade early is good to still have the trump control and an entry to dummy for the hopefully established club winner|pg|| nt|sixela: routine to duck the H and then start on clubs, hoping the Q is on side, not really any other way to make except to find Qxx of D on side and guess the clubs|pg|| nt|ahollan1: does anyone in the panel want to discuss south's choice of pass vs 2@H?|pg|| nt|game over: I like the pass|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: South clearly thought/hesitated over 1@s, then shrugged and passed|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thru 11 different boards [and fewer crashes than us] Monaco 34 vs Lavazza 12|pg|| nt|jacksond: Hoping they get to 3Nt?|pg|| nt|game over: with length in spades partner tends to be short, so he can (must) do something with some values and a short suit; and the bidding won't explode suddenly (and even if it does 5@h is ...|pg|| nt|game over: not likely a good contract)|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|h6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sK|pc|h9|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|nt|ahollan1: argument for overcall that takes up maximum space (1@D)-2@C (1@H)-2@D (1@S)-2@H discussed in depth in Mike Lawrence's seminal The Complete Book of Overcalls|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: and later Sabine Auken in her book|pg|| pc|c5|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c3|pc|sQ|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h7|pc|cK|pc|d3|pc|s9|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: but it was known tactic long before Lawrence [pre negative dbl]|pg|| pc|h5|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1S6HJ9764DQT965CJ3,SAQ9HT3DAK873CAQ6,SJT753HK8D2CT7542,SK842HAQ52DJ4CK98|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfg: Tokay claimed|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Sementa to Schwartz: "you could have bid more" Schwartz: "I wanted to give him a chance to bid more ... I'm not greedy"|pg|| mb|p|nt|begse: squeeze possibilities in 6nt|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: The "2@s sounds like I'm weak" - guess they were suggesting he might have bid only 2 and gotten a plus score :)|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|Vugraphzfg: Although, given that partner passed a close to forcing 1NT, I don't know|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3H!|an|4-4 Majors|nt|meargent: 3@Hs transfer|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: 3@h probably spades, but although both clearly alerted no one explained|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|meargent: schwartz denies 4@Ss by 3NT|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Now Sementa asks and Graves writes 4-4 Majors|pg|| pc|c5|nt|Vugraphzfg: Sementa: "18-20?" Graves nods|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: Tokay: "Just made?" Sementa, laughing "no, down 1"|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c3|nt|begse: smirnov managed 12 on @s lead at 6nt assael winning a swing |pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg|| mc|10|nt|Vugraphzfg: Schwartz says make more if spades split. Then "good pass, Allan ... I would bid more if you bid 4"|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1S6HJ9764DQT965CJ3,SAQ9HT3DAK873CAQ6,SJT753HK8D2CT7542,SK842HAQ52DJ4CK98|sv|n|nt|game over: yes but the first two auctions take away a possible fit in the other major suit so they are much more disruptive (you don't need to discuss a second major suit fit here anymore)|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|game over: but this is only one point; it gets harder to find a good 3-of-a-minor contract for the opponents, so there still is some preemptive value to it|pg|| mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3H!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: EW use different opening 2-bids when playing in ACBL events than what is shown on their rest-of-world CC|pg|| nt|game over: 3@c = Puppet-Stayman iirc and 3@h = no 4/5 card major|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i believe multi-purpose including weak 2@D opener [hense Piek's 2@D response]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not sure if 2N showing 18-19 or maybe 20-21|pg|| nt|game over: other responses to 3@c Puppet-Stayman by West would be : 3NT over 3@c = 5@h, 3@s = 5@s, 3@d = one/two four card-majors|pg|| nt|sixela: i would guess 20-21, that is what the hand seems to be woth|pg|| nt|game over: [guess]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think the version of puppet that Matthias is describing is also known as Muppet Stayman|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|vugraphzfh: This may be the last making contract?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: agree but i have old instance of ACBL agreement where opening 2N = 20-21|pg|| nt|game over: the advantage of switching 3@h and 3NT is that you have more room to investigate minor-suit fits over 3@h than over 3NT (tyou need more space for no 4/5 card major than for exactly ...|pg|| nt|game over: 5@h))|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it is hard to keep up with the ever changing agreements for EW|pg|| nt|game over: downside: the opponents can double 3@h (sometimes) and 4@d (retransfer) over 3NT (showing 5@h) and the additional memory load|pg|| mb|5C!|nt|sixela: what on earth is 5c?|pg|| nt|game over: 0/3 keycards (guess)|pg|| nt|game over: (out of 4 aces)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Long written explanation of 5@c, can't see it|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Although perhaps Smirnov was explaining something else including 4NT?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if showing Aces presumably with uncertainty about accepting slam invite other wise just blast 6N|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Now Piek explaining 5@c at length|pg|| nt|game over: in this type of situation (4NT = quantitative) Rosenberg/Willenken for example try to use the space up to 5NT to intelligently find out whether 5NT is the maximum (as opposed to ...|pg|| nt|game over: 6NT ;)) - many experts hate to play in 5NT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 14 [4@S-3] Graves playing 3@S [he also opened 1@S]|pg|| mb|p|mb|5N|mb|p|mb|6S|nt|sixela: if he showed 20-21, he should just pass 4nt, if he showed less than that, 6d seems right to show his 5 card suit|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Trying for the "Moysian"?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: another agreement bid 4-card suits at 5-level and 5-card suits at 6-level|pg|| mb|p|mb|6N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jacksond: hardly getting a favourable spade lead now|pg|| pc|s7|nt|ahollan1: The Curse strikes again!|pg|| pc|s2|nt|jacksond: wrong again but still slam looks a big ask|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: [commentator's curse]|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dJ|nt|jacksond: Must be a winning line somewhere|pg|| nt|game over: wow, declarer has 11 tricks now and it looks like he can squeeze South in the red suits (he will probably play a diamond to the jack now, test diamonds and then has no chance but ...|pg|| nt|game over: to play for a finesse and a squeeze in the end)|pg|| pc|dQ|pg|| nt|sixela: slam is now cold|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Does a @d back cut off the entry?|pg|| nt|sixela: no idea why N chose to lead a spade, club lead seemed so routine|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think @D just means squeeze card with be @C in declarer's hand|pg|| nt|sixela: no, slam is cold|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Fisher in the proverbial "brown study"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: anyone else having flashback to first time you read Clyde Love's "Bridge Squeezes Complete"?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Hand on chin, all suddenly very quiet|pg|| nt|game over: ithout a spade lead - this is interesting double-dummy, (single-dummy you would just play a diamond to the jack) - if you cash six black suits, South can keep four diamonds and ...|pg|| nt|game over: three hearts, if you then establish your heart trick, endplaying South he can exit with the !q leaving you with a spade loser I think) - I didnot ask GIB|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i know there is now an interactive computer adaptation of Love's book|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h3|nt|sixela: on a club lead, it has no play|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|s4|pc|h6|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d5|pc|d7|nt|game over: the @h 9 was a good return (just in case West has a single heart)|pg|| pc|sT|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|game over: no, it should not help|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c9|mc|12|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SJT865HJ42DTCQ863,SQ972HAKQT98D3CAJ,SAK4H73DQ9875CT97,S3H65DAKJ642CK542|sv|e|nt|begse: as ý told you south is squeezed in red suits for 12 th trick but the lead gives declarer extra trick |pg|| nt|meargent: good stop by EW unfortunately for them their opponents didnt stop in CR|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfg: This is the last board of this quarter. We'll resume shortly after both tables have finished play, unless the players want a longer break. There are still 30 minutes on the clock ...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: for this quarter|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|begse: again a bad break|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h6|nt|medwards: Good lead by North.|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dK|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|d7|pg|| mc|10|nt|begse: cu soon|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SJT865HJ42DTCQ863,SQ972HAKQT98D3CAJ,SAK4H73DQ9875CT97,S3H65DAKJ642CK542|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: very cute -- and condolences to Ron Schwartz|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Fisher having words with Schwartz, obviously in Hebrew? Now very loud :(|pg|| nt|jacksond: That will be a double digit swing sowe should expect to be cut off any moment|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: condolences just because he feels bad -- but @S lead on auction does seem VERY wrong|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|jacksond: that wil be a double digit swing so should expect to be cut off any moment|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D = a) 10-11 HCP, 6+@D b) FG, 5+@D|pg|| nt|game over: this is the last board of this segment, thanks to Gary our fabulous vugraph-operator, Al and Sam and the kiebitzers for their great comments and to the players!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@S = 5+@H 4+@S, 11+ HCP|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@D now would be NF|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: And, of course, our dedicated and expert analysts/commentators from around the globe!|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: oh final board of 1st set|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thanks Gary|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzfh: We are very lucky to have Al Hollander here, who keeps up incredibly on Systems world-wide!|pg|| pc|d9|nt|vugraphzfh: Smirnov: "3@d NF"|pg|| pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: next set begins 10-15 minutes after both teams finish play|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: Maybe 20 inutes|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|pg|| nt|vugraphzfh: 20 minutes due to early finish|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| nt|game over: I like North's lead|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|nt|ahollan1: teams can agree to restart sooner|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|h6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|d2|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hT|pc|d7|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h9|pc|sA|pc|d6|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h8|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dK|mc|11|pg||