vg|2014 GNT Final,Segment 1 of 4,I,1,16,Coren (D9),0,Spitalnick (D21),0| rs|1NS=,1NS-2,2HW+1,2SW=,5DN=,5DN-1,3NE-1,3NW=,3DW=,3NE-3,4SW=,4SW=,2CEx-3,2SEx-3,3NS=,3NN-1,4HN-1,3SW-2,4HN+1,4HN+1,2DS=,4SW=,3SN-1,3SN-1,6DN=,5HWx-2,4HN+1,4HN=,3SE-1,4SE-2,1CE+2,2HNx=| pn|Coren,Barlow,Seamon,Spitalnick,Bykov,Bathurst,Kodayam,Dwyer|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SAQHAJ953DJ75CA83,S9542HKQTDQ63CK72,ST873H4DK84CQT654,SKJ6H8762DAT92CJ9|sv|o|nt|shuster: no voice permission for me?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfc: welcome all to the final of GNT championship flight|pg|| nt|Walddk2: One sec, Mike ...|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|an|14+|mb|p|mb|p|nt|shuster: to be honest, I never understand why sometimes I have voice permission and sometimes I don't. |pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfc: If S has 14 hcp, he has a 5 card suit|pg|| pc|s5|nt|Walddk2: You are added now, Mike|pg|| nt|runnerup: hi all ..1nt ..entryproblems to table and guess in @c ..figth to make ..|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hK|pc|c5|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: S asked W if leads are 4th best, they are|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hQ|nt|reisig: Only chance -- play @h ace and pray :)|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|s4|pc|cQ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h5|nt|Walddk2: We also have voice commentary in this room. http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/news_fetch.php?id=743 for instructions if you are not familiar with the voice procedure.|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|sT|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|reisig: Well done!|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SAQHAJ953DJ75CA83,S9542HKQTDQ63CK72,ST873H4DK84CQT654,SKJ6H8762DAT92CJ9|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: meckwell also won from their days in the midwest [not sure which district]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|medwards: I am thinking Ohio maybe.|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: actually the district 9 defender from 2013 lost in the district final "they out meckwell'd meckwell"|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: meckwell were added as 3rd pair for the LV national phase|pg|| pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: Meck was in Ohio -- I think Rodwell was Indiana at the time|pg|| nt|ahollan1: of the early wins|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: there is voice commentary of the Open Room - but not our table|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|h4|pg|| nt|jkdood: Meckwell won in 1990 from District 11|pg|| nt|medwards: South almost had to play for K9 to have a chance for a make.|pg|| nt|jkdood: Which is Ohio, yes, Indianapolis, etc (District 11)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: click on player name to access 2013 CC for the Kevins [bathurst-dwyer] -- unfortunately none available for NS|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: wish i had followed the play -- and/or checked the movie for other room|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but EW sure seem to be in position to set 1N|pg|| nt|jkdood: If EW do the set, they will gain 4 imps to start|pg|| nt|medwards: It seems to me that Bathurst is at the top of his game, He does well with any partner.|pg|| nt|jkdood: If he sticks with Dwyer, they can be known as "The Kevins"|pg|| nt|medwards: Sounds like a rock group.|pg|| nt|jkdood: Other room is already on Bd 3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: on voice commentary michael shuster was just mentioning that Bykov-Kodayam known as "deliberate" players|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hK|pc|s8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|nt|jkdood: I think both "Kevins" play fast, so will be interesting to see if we catch up easily or not|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dQ|mc|5|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SJ73HT953DT74CKQ9,SK5HKJ764DA63CAT6,SQ84HADKQJ9CJ8754,SAT962HQ82D852C32|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|d|nt|runnerup: other partial figth on 2-3 level not clear hand this either ..|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d4|nt|runnerup: south has something but no length ..so pass ..and north ? ..vulnerable and no big hand =pass|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| nt|reisig: Red pockets - make us sane :)|pg|| nt|runnerup: i hope so|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| nt|reisig: This will make easily |pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s5|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|h8|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|h7|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hK|mc|9|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SJ73HT953DT74CKQ9,SK5HKJ764DA63CAT6,SQ84HADKQJ9CJ8754,SAT962HQ82D852C32|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Kevins play a form of Precision|pg|| mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 1N = 14-16 in 1st/2nd and 3rd vul 15-17 3rd vul and 4th|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|an|!|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Nice to have trump 3-3 when you find your 7card fit rather than 8card|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ahollan1: and probably fewer trump losers in the 7-fit rather than the 8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: there's a moral there somewhere|pg|| nt|jkdood: 9 tricks in the other room seems quite an achievement on this deal|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| nt|jkdood: a low @D would work well here|pg|| nt|jkdood: However a plus score (+110?) looks hard to deny EW|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|d3|pg|| nt|jkdood: I must learn to type more softly|pg|| nt|jkdood: Looks like a @C or a @H here both will end with -110, if declarer is careful|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|h4|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SA974HA763D9632C7,ST65HJT92DA5CQ843,S8HKQ8DKJT4CAKJ95,SKQJ32H54DQ87CT62|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|reisig: That Pass - didn't happen :)|pg|| nt|runnerup: 3nt can be made ..will it be bid or made is other thing and is it sensible ..so and so|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|5D|nt|runnerup: 4 @h is ok ..5 @d ok ..so maybe this is best ..|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|nt|reisig: This hand is "easy" --- from here :)|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| nt|runnerup: so meanwhile 1nt was not so clear and 5 imps in (-2 in other table)|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|d4|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Seamon thinking how to best bring this home|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sT|pc|dK|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|cA|nt|runnerup: he can make finessing @c and west is squesed also |pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|d6|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|s9|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SA974HA763D9632C7,ST65HJT92DA5CQ843,S8HKQ8DKJT4CAKJ95,SKQJ32H54DQ87CT62|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: wow both East's PASS 1@C|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: it would never occur to me to NOT show the good @S suit|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|jkdood: I'm with you, Al|pg|| nt|jkdood: 3N does not look like a good spot to end up in NS|pg|| nt|jkdood: 4@H looks interesting tho|pg|| nt|jkdood: Trumps (in 4@H) are not 3-3 of course, but ruffing @S in the short hand is always good|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4C|nt|jkdood: Alert OP|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|nt|jkdood: However, a sensible safer contract is reached|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @SQ = Rusinow 2nd of touching honors|pg|| nt|jkdood: This is a delicate contract, with a very thoughtful declarer, we may be here awhile|pg|| nt|jkdood: For those still focused on 4@H as a contract; lets assume a start like @d A then a @D. A club finesse and crossruff seem to yield 10 tricks|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|d4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: moysian fits fare better if: you get to ruff with the 3-trump and/or there is running outside suit|pg|| nt|jkdood: @C sort of qualify as that running side-suit if played to maxium effect|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hT|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h8|nt|jkdood: 10 imps to coren with this development most likely|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2 quick tricks out of 5 isn't even almost running|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sT|mc|10|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2S52HA9874DKQJ7CQ2,SAQTHJT5D96CAT987,SJ98643H3DT84CK65,SK7HKQ62DA532CJ43|sv|b|nt|runnerup: so squeze helped ..|pg|| nt|ritong: hi everyone|pg|| nt|reisig: Welcome Henri :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: We also have voice commentary in this room. http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/news_fetch.php?id=743 for instructions if you are not familiar with the voice procedure.|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|runnerup: 3nt can be beaten ..but in table not so clear ..@d K ...out or so ..for 4 red and @c in time |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: N/S leads are 4th best, o/e discards, standard carding|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|Vugraphzfc: J shows Q or shortness|pg|| nt|runnerup: so can north message about 108 x now?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Seamon comments on the dummy "solid citizen"|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg|| nt|ritong: indeed the flop is chunky|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|d4|nt|ritong: but too short, this time|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|reisig: Was unlucky - that leader had such a great suit|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c7|pc|dT|nt|ritong: and knew @hs were not good|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hT|pc|s3|pc|h6|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2S52HA9874DKQJ7CQ2,SAQTHJT5D96CAT987,SJ98643H3DT84CK65,SK7HKQ62DA532CJ43|sv|b|nt|jkdood: Some specs think this line is quite a bit off; it is easier when we peek of course.|pg|| mb|1D|an|!|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 10-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N DENIES 4@S|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C probably forces 2@D [2-way checkback]|pg|| mb|2D|an|!|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|jkdood: In other room they continued @D rather than hearts so early, and the result was a make|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: usually 2-way checkback plays this sequence as 5@H, INV|pg|| mb|p|nt|jkdood: 3N went down in other room after @D lead to start|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in college we found that ALL game invites were accepted|pg|| nt|ahollan1: SO we redefined them as SLAM tries|pg|| nt|jkdood: BBO will cover the collegiate trials, starting in a few minutes here|pg|| nt|jkdood: 3N in other room was played however by East|pg|| nt|ahollan1: trials? can you elaborate Jay what event are they trying to qualify for???|pg|| nt|jkdood: The Al Holland Bowl I think|pg|| pc|h3|nt|jkdood: Al Hollander I mean|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it will never catch on even with the ER|pg|| pc|hK|nt|medwards: This was not the killing lead|pg|| nt|jkdood: Yes, a shame, Hollander Bowl and Buffet Cup, both a disappointment this year|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|jkdood: I hope the specs noticed Bill Gates was in attendance, and played an event already|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: IF @H lead was right -- wouldn't Bykov have hand that would bid 2@H over 1@H?|pg|| nt|medwards: And won!|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|pc|d8|nt|jkdood: For those asking for Bill's ID, it was in Vegas, not online, that he appeared|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|c7|pc|dT|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg|| nt|jkdood: These events are being held live, F2F (face to face) in Las Vegas, for those asking|pg|| nt|jkdood: I'm told his BBO login is in fact: Las Vegas|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|mc|9|nt|ahollan1: obviously -- since he lives near seattle|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3S6HQ96543DJ73CK63,SKJ832HK8DKT52C95,SA9754HAT7DQ8CJT7,SQTHJ2DA964CAQ842|sv|n|mb|p|nt|runnerup: ew has strengt but not much in cards ..|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|an|!s|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfc: Coren asked about 3@c, Barlow wrote it could be 6 card suit|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|nt|reisig: Roadmap for the def|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|s2|pg|| nt|runnerup: so partial found ..ok is beatable by trump promotion or @h guess wrong ..|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|d3|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| nt|ritong: or both|pg|| nt|runnerup: so -1 |pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| nt|reisig: Still better than a NT contract|pg|| pc|h6|nt|runnerup: no way to promote and take @h trick both ..|pg|| pc|c5|pc|hT|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|runnerup: they found the way to let this make|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3S6HQ96543DJ73CK63,SKJ832HK8DKT52C95,SA9754HAT7DQ8CJT7,SQTHJ2DA964CAQ842|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1N|an|!|nt|ahollan1: 1N=14-16|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|an|!|nt|jkdood: The Coren team off to a spiffy start, now lead by 26|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: and the EW convention cards does say "frequent upgrades"|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i'm not sure if Edgar Kaplan would consider the east hand good enough for 1N=12-14|pg|| nt|HedyG: he does have a 5 card suit|pg|| pc|h5|nt|HedyG: and hi :)|pg|| nt|medwards: Hello|pg|| nt|jkdood: Welcome Hedy Grey|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: i was wrong KnR evalutes east to 13.55 http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi|pg|| nt|HedyG: he upgraded from what Al?|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|d2|pc|h7|nt|medwards: By the way, the Nebraska Regional is in two weeks. Warren and Bill usually attend.|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: who picks up the dinner tab?|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c4|pg|| nt|jkdood: So with this result - the Spitalnick team will get back about 7 imps|pg|| pc|h3|pc|c5|nt|medwards: Free lunch every day.|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4S83HJ6543DKQCA642,SKT976HQ97D742CK9,SA5HT8DJT85CT8753,SQJ42HAK2DA963CQJ|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|runnerup: 4 @s has a chance ...@d block must be solved in time ..normally 4 losers|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|reisig: strip ...endplay likely|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: i think so natural @c lead|pg|| pc|hT|nt|ritong: seamon has other ideas|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|nt|runnerup: @d K in time and -1 |pg|| pc|h7|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| nt|ritong: very difficult def i do not think they will find it|pg|| nt|runnerup: too bad ..makes now|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hQ|nt|ritong: astute move, @d to the A in case defenser does not unblock @d Kx|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|nt|runnerup: Coren has done this earlyer also ..last hand|pg|| mc|10|nt|runnerup: ruff and discard ..|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: mini break|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: short break|pg|| nt|ritong: coren could have seen it coming after a @c lead, but it is always difficult to shift from bare @d KQ when declarer might have double hook in @ds as a solution|pg|| nt|ritong: same for seamon tough to shift from @d J108x when dummy has A9xx|pg|| nt|runnerup: 5 @d started same way ..declarer tried to ruff @h ..playing @h's 3 time that ..not making so 10 imps /played 1 round of @d to J...and Q so no guess helping |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: players are back|pg|| pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4S83HJ6543DKQCA642,SKT976HQ97D742CK9,SA5HT8DJT85CT8753,SQJ42HAK2DA963CQJ|sv|e|nt|jkdood: 3N sort of got what it deserved most think|pg|| mb|1C|an|!|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+ unbal or 17+ bal [not 19-20 bal]|pg|| nt|medwards: When there are 100 tables in play, the average net worth of every player in the room is 100 million dollars|pg|| mb|1H|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = 5+ suit, game force|pg|| nt|jkdood: The @D blockage here gives 4@S hope for EW|pg|| nt|HedyG: 1@H must be leaddirecting|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: i would be more likely to bid with south hand if i could show 2-suiter|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|HedyG: how about pass?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@H just isn't disruptive enough when there is no lead-direct value|pg|| nt|jkdood: Mike Lawrence is a fan of bad suit overcalls with good hands, but I doubt he would think South's hand qualifies|pg|| nt|ahollan1: yes i would PASS south hand|pg|| pc|c5|nt|HedyG: omg, we agree!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but ML probably referring to overcall of natural opener|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|HedyG: Kodayam has played with Bykov before|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: btw -- newly released 2nd Edition of Lawrence's Falsecards|pg|| nt|jkdood: Astute specs see a strip endplay takes advantage of the @d blockage, and allows 2 @d losers to become 1|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: last couple of years he's updated some other seminal books on Overcalls and drat, what was the other one? probably Balancing|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|c3|pg|| nt|HedyG: i need one about leads!|pg|| nt|jkdood: Inspired leads and defense by NS can prevent the postion, but seems hard to find for most|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SK74HJ963DTCK9542,SQ862HKT85DQJ72C8,SAJTHA42DAK8654C3,S953HQ7D93CAQJT76|sv|b|nt|ritong: however, perhaps the @h3 at trick 1 should convince seamon that @h was not such a great lead|pg|| mb|p|nt|runnerup: 2 @c doubled ? ..maybe ..|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|reisig: Board 4 -- 3NT played by other side ..so no @d lead ..making|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|runnerup: so Aukens 800 here|pg|| pc|h6|nt|reisig: Vul - 2 level overcall ..got what was deserved |pg|| nt|runnerup: it is popular ..is it not|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|s2|pc|d8|pg|| nt|runnerup: east did not open so all claer for 800|pg|| nt|runnerup: sorry ..not his turn..|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|s7|pc|d7|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|h9|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c6|nt|jtmckee: they plucked him clean|pg|| pc|c9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|nt|reisig: Good to have you JT :)|pg|| pc|hT|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c5|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|cT|pg|| nt|jtmckee: good to be here richie|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SK74HJ963DTCK9542,SQ862HKT85DQJ72C8,SAJTHA42DAK8654C3,S953HQ7D93CAQJT76|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|HedyG: the problem with X is what do you do when pd bids a major now?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@C over 1@D [and similarly 2@D over 1@H and 2@H over 1@S] use up a lot of bidding room for opponents|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so the overcalls are often made with a bit less in hcp than normal 2 level overcalls|pg|| nt|jkdood: For those that would reopen North hand with 2@D, this deal is a good example of why double with shortness is usually best|pg|| mb|p|nt|HedyG: Sabine Auken writes in her book to overcall 2@c over 1@d whenever possible|pg|| nt|ahollan1: she wasn't nearly the first to mention that|pg|| nt|jkdood: 2@D over 1@C is also very effective|pg|| nt|HedyG: for its preemptive value|pg|| nt|medwards: Soloway also.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Lawrence codified in Complete Book of Overcalls|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but it was part of arsenal in the pre negative double days|pg|| mb|r|nt|HedyG: not really surprising that Sabine and Mike Lawrence agree|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no - i wasn't playing then but i have extensive library|pg|| mb|p|nt|jkdood: Frying Pan <-> Fire time?|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Trump leads are often effective in auctions like this|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|nt|jkdood: Here South can overruff dummy so maybe @ds are best|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: for the specs: note that many operators wait until both screenmates have bid [NE & SW] so delays can't necessarily be attributed to the player you think is supposed to make the ...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: next call|pg|| nt|HedyG: that is so that in case of a huddle behind the screen players cannot figure out who huddled|pg|| nt|jkdood: Seems like N can play @ds now to even the +800 result|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|nt|HedyG: are they playing with screens?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oh yes|pg|| nt|HedyG: good|pg|| nt|jkdood: 2@D 2 ruffs @H ace and wait for 3 spades|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c6|pc|s4|pc|d7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in the worst case ACBL starts using screens in R16|pg|| nt|HedyG: could have played a higher @D for @H|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d6|pc|cT|pc|s7|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| nt|jkdood: So after all that, it turns out the frying pan and the fire had equal heat |pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|c7|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|s5|pc|h9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|hK|mc|5|nt|ahollan1: just another push|pg|| nt|jkdood: Many spec don't like the 2@C overcall. Its fairly normal for these players IMHO|pg|| pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SQ6HA86DT752CQT82,SKT85H2DQ964CJ976,SA7HT954DAKJCAK54,SJ9432HKQJ73D83C3|sv|o|nt|reisig: When you overcall 2@c and see P P ...start running :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfc: Barlow asked Coren about 1NT point range, 6-10|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cK|pc|s2|pc|c8|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|h7|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SQ6HA86DT752CQT82,SKT85H2DQ964CJ976,SA7HT954DAKJCAK54,SJ9432HKQJ73D83C3|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1H|nt|HedyG: 1@H?|pg|| nt|HedyG: is that a xfer bid?|pg|| mb|1S|an|!|nt|ahollan1: 1@H or Michaels close call|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Dwyer treating his hand as 4@S 5@H|pg|| mb|2N|nt|jkdood: Thanks for all the comments and votes: its about 6-4 in favor of 2@C|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: not unreasonable for lead-direction|pg|| nt|HedyG: maybe he has some @ss in with his...@hs|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|HedyG: what leaddirection? opps wont play in @s|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|nt|ahollan1: @HQ Rusinow [2nd of touching honors]|pg|| nt|HedyG: W will be endplayed to play from K@s|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Spitalnick couldn't decide between 1@H and Michaels -- so he chose PASS|pg|| nt|ahollan1: again - that would never occur to me|pg|| nt|HedyG: we garee again!! this is getting scary|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|nt|HedyG: agree*|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i can't tell if EW play (1@C)-2@C or (1@C)-2@D as Michaels|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: at least you're not admitting that in public Hedy|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d5|nt|HedyG: right, pls dont tell anybody!|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| pc|dK|pc|s2|pc|d7|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: not sure if 1@S is a) negative dbl with 0-3@S b) transfer to NT c) other|pg|| pc|s3|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h6|pc|s5|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|HedyG: so now he has to decide who has the K@s to endplay the correct opp|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|nt|ahollan1: Bykov originally from Poland not sure what the default is there for 1@S|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c5|pc|h7|pc|dT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in north america the default over 1m-(1@H) is 1@S=5+@S DBL=4@S|pg|| nt|HedyG: it was Al, it was|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pg|| nt|HedyG: more and more xfer bids are in|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SAK86HKQ4D642C954,SQJT75HDKT983CJT7,S9HJT853DQJ7CAKQ8,S432HA9762DA5C632|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|an|gf, can be art|mb|p|mb|3S|an|splinter|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|dT|nt|runnerup: 3nt has some chances specially after 1 @s /but -1 score will be normal ..in game ..maybe 4 @h |pg|| pc|d7|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|h2|pc|d6|pg|| nt|reisig: They should know - to avoid these contracts - when trumps are 5-0 :) :)|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hK|pc|s7|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sT|pc|c8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d3|pc|h5|pc|hA|pg|| mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfc: bathroom break|pg|| nt|reisig: Normal spot ..normal result|pg|| nt|runnerup: 3nt is very good ..but hard to bid |pg|| nt|runnerup: servive in DEADs Valley ..?|pg|| nt|runnerup: survive|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SAK86HKQ4D642C954,SQJT75HDKT983CJT7,S9HJT853DQJ7CAKQ8,S432HA9762DA5C632|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|HedyG: forcing 1NT?|pg|| mb|2H|nt|HedyG: michaels by W|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i was just going to say that it must be Hedy otherwise Bykov would bid 1@S |pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|3H|nt|HedyG: even with forcing NT it is wise to look for a @s fit|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: from world class spec [and player] on previous board declarer goofed because @SK is marked to be in West hand with east 5521 he would Michaels if holding @SK|pg|| mb|p|nt|HedyG: specs suggesting NS play Flannery|pg|| pc|cA|nt|jkdood: EW in the other room found @D Ace lead to set 4@H|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|nt|jkdood: @H break just as deadly perhaps|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|s2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s4|mc|7|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SK962HQ874DAJ7C83,ST54H5DKQ2CKQJT72,S3HAKT962D63CA954,SAQJ87HJ3DT9854C6|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1H|mb|1S|an|5+|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|reisig: for me 2@s is natural ..and 2@c is cue|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jtmckee: even when 1s shows 5? as it was alerted here?|pg|| pc|c6|nt|reisig: yup|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|nt|reisig: only ONE suit is a cue bid :)|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| nt|reisig: a nice easy hand|pg|| mc|11|nt|runnerup: 4 @s is possible also on a good day ew ..now maybe 500 |pg|| nt|jtmckee: that concept certainly makes sense|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Seamon gave up a spade|pg|| pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SK962HQ874DAJ7C83,ST54H5DKQ2CKQJT72,S3HAKT962D63CA954,SAQJ87HJ3DT9854C6|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|jkdood: So plus in both rooms gives D21 6 much needed imps. And 4@H might have some play with a non @D lead; not that we will see it|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Bathurst's other choice was to open 2@C showing 10-15, 6+@C|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Some specs think South might have doubled 3@S. They certainly are right on that deal anyway.|pg|| nt|HedyG: shame E could not open |pg|| pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cT|nt|HedyG: when Multi makes it USA...|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|HedyG: to*|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| nt|jkdood: As soon as "we" adopt the Metric system, Hedy :)|pg|| nt|HedyG: yesssssss great idea!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: at least one of the pairs for D21 playing multi in this event|pg|| nt|HedyG: oh it is allowed!|pg|| pc|d4|nt|HedyG: thats great news|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|d6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|d5|pg|| nt|jkdood: LOL, as some specs say; USA now somewhat adopting the world version of "futbol" can multi or metric system be far behind?|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|nt|jkdood: Multi is of course allowed in top events and many team events; its just not general chart here and in mathcpoint play is often denied|pg|| nt|ahollan1: trivia question: who was first US President to push for adoption of metric system|pg|| pc|d8|mc|11|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SJ6HA653DKQT64CKT,SAK73HT98DA75C653,S982H42DJ832CQJ97,SQT54HKQJ7D9CA842|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|reisig: Great 1@s bid!|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|runnerup: north is joking a bit ..|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|an|forces 2!d|mb|p|nt|runnerup: now 2 @c as transfer ..nice |pg|| mb|2D|nt|reisig: 2@c - must be relay type|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: 1@s - stole the hand!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: W confirms, this is the only way to raise in @d|pg|| nt|jtmckee: yes it did|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| nt|runnerup: so 4 @s ew can be made ,,phyke paper to fullfill ..|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|d7|nt|jtmckee: i have never understood leadidng the ace instead of the king at that point|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SJ6HA653DKQT64CKT,SAK73HT98DA75C653,S982H42DJ832CQJ97,SQT54HKQJ7D9CA842|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: bonus question: who was most recent to make the push|pg|| nt|ahollan1: a) Thomas Jefferson b) Jimmy Carter|pg|| nt|HedyG: Gerald Ford|pg|| nt|HedyG: :(|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: Al Gore was too busy inventing the internet [and had presidency stolen from him]|pg|| mb|p|nt|jkdood: Question for Hedy (to redeem yourself). WHo invented Swiss Teams?|pg|| mb|4S|nt|HedyG: no idea!|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|HedyG: spec suggests Wilhelm Tell ;)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: wow Swiss Teams popularized by Bridge Journal Menagerie but created by ?? [Jannersten?]|pg|| pc|h2|nt|jkdood: There are lotsa spec "guesses" but Al's info seems best|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h8|pg|| nt|jkdood: In the USa a big proponent was Bobby Wolff, but not sure who gets "credit"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: duh Swiss Movement was stolen from Chess Tournaments i'm told first used in Zurich in 1895|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Bridge Journal pre-dates Wolff|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|s5|nt|medwards: I think Marc Low was involved|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|sT|nt|jkdood: Ducking the @H here was a good play, denying W an easy entry|pg|| nt|HedyG: anybody noticed how Seamon stole the board?|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: my encyclopedia credits Jon Hamilton and Marc Low with current version of Swiss Movement -- in 1967|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|d8|mc|10|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SKJ62HQ4DT98CK872,S7HJ76DK764CAQ943,SAQT94HA52DQJ2CJ5,S853HKT983DA53CT6|sv|n|nt|reisig: who would believe ..a +90 score NS on this hand?|pg|| nt|jtmckee: the -800 was a push|pg|| nt|runnerup: now time to overbid ..in @s ..maybe |pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3S|an|7-9 w4!s|nt|reisig: a tad too much - for a simple 2@s bid|pg|| mb|p|nt|runnerup: 3 @s is down already but 3 @h may make so ..normal|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h5|pc|s3|pc|c8|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SKJ62HQ4DT98CK872,S7HJ76DK764CAQ943,SAQT94HA52DQJ2CJ5,S853HKT983DA53CT6|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: nebulous 1@D?|pg|| nt|jkdood: So Seamon's @S bid on 3 small wins big for D9|pg|| nt|HedyG: he has no more pass cards?|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 10-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: and sorry Kevin -- i should have been positive rather than waffling|pg|| nt|HedyG: 3@d invite with 4 cards|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: more common treatment is jump cue = mixed raise|pg|| nt|jkdood: 3@D is a mixed raise, 4 trump 7-9 or so|pg|| pc|cT|nt|ahollan1: but is 1@D really a suit?|pg|| nt|HedyG: nobody cares ;)|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| nt|jkdood: Thoughtful @d play by Kevin, if N had Axx in @d or such, playing clubs early would help NS|pg|| nt|jkdood: Turns out it didnt matter, and he should still gain a plus for EW|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: at this point @C10 could still have been from original @CJTx|pg|| nt|ahollan1: [i think]|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|dT|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|c3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i know meckwell leads are rusinow IF 4+suit otherwise standard from 3|pg|| nt|jkdood: There are 2 Kevin's EW of course, I meant Kevin Bathurst in case that was confusing|pg|| pc|c7|nt|ahollan1: not sure about kevins|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| nt|HedyG: wow|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i was going to say oh my|pg|| nt|HedyG: did this really happen?|pg|| mc|8|nt|HedyG: no|pg|| nt|HedyG: ok|pg|| pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SAQ6HTDQ876CAKJ74,S5HKQ6432DT3CQ985,SJ84HJ9DAKJ952CT3,SKT9732HA875D4C62|sv|b|nt|runnerup: 12 in @d ..if needed |pg|| mb|2D|nt|reisig: They'll bid 5@d ..at least|pg|| nt|reisig: If a 2@s bid now -- I bet 6@d|pg|| nt|runnerup: 5 is ok ..no need to bid more but maybe east helpes and |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Coren is thinking about his options|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|an|asks for further description|mb|p|mb|3N|an|good !d|mb|p|mb|6D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: now @ds are solid ...wish I could find that @c Queen :)|pg|| nt|runnerup: @s lead ..and guess needed|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|reisig: I give the leader credit ..nice try|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dK|nt|runnerup: maybe @h A and now @s ..to give north a problem|pg|| pc|s2|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| mc|12|nt|Vugraphzfc: player are complementing Spitalnick on his lead|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: quick break|pg|| pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SAQ6HTDQ876CAKJ74,S5HKQ6432DT3CQ985,SJ84HJ9DAKJ952CT3,SKT9732HA875D4C62|sv|b|nt|HedyG: operator playing tricks on us to see if we are awake|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|jkdood: 6@H a decent sacrifice for EW if 6@D is reached|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: Sorry I got lost last hand in the card play|pg|| nt|HedyG: npnp|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no worried Jordan|pg|| nt|HedyG: we like a good joke :)|pg|| mb|4C|nt|HedyG: you play 4@c as asking for shortness?|pg|| nt|HedyG: or as rkc?|pg|| mb|4H|nt|jkdood: There are other "asking" methods also some play|pg|| nt|jkdood: Wow, Bathurst strikes gold perhaps!|pg|| nt|HedyG: Jordan, was 4@c alerted?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: most frequent agreements are: some random slam try in support OR poorman's/preempt KC with steps of 01122|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: and i know 1 pair that uses steps of 001122 odd step denies Q even step shows Q|pg|| nt|jkdood: For those that have agreements about 4@C, Bathurst maybe "hopes" they don't have ironclad understandings over interference|pg|| mb|5H|nt|jkdood: So 2 ways to "strike gold" (of course one can get caught on a bad day for a number)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: knowing preemptor won't have 3 or 4 keycards steps focus on 0/1/2 with/without trump Q|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and 01122 refer to those steps|pg|| nt|ahollan1: where step 1 shows 0 keycards but says nothing about trump Q|pg|| nt|medwards: Key Card asking bids are alertable on the first round.|pg|| nt|HedyG: but if 4@c was keycard N could bid in DOPI over 4@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not sure why that would be necessary Mike -- but there are a lot of things about alert/announcement system that baffle me|pg|| nt|jkdood: I would suggest 4@H by Bathurst is an example of the kind of year he is having; great play/ great instincts / great luck|pg|| nt|medwards: Me too, I was penalized at a National in Memphis. They showed me the rule.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: after the interference it is reasonable to focus on control of overcalled suit rather than DOPI/DEPO variation to just answer keycards|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: in that case PASS would just say no @H control|pg|| mb|p|nt|HedyG: so you never get to show your 2 keycards, great|pg|| mb|p|nt|jkdood: Another term for that: "great table presence"|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: i know many players who would have just blasted 6@D after the 3@D opener|pg|| nt|HedyG: sorry must go, good night :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ciao Hedy|pg|| nt|jkdood: Thank you Hedy|pg|| nt|medwards: Thx Hedy|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: open room has finished play|pg|| pc|sA|nt|ahollan1: expect something like 10-15 minute break after our table finishes|pg|| nt|jkdood: Well, 4@H is "the Bid of the Day" so far. Quite impressive.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and next set expect to see meckwell and woolsey-martel in action|pg|| nt|medwards: I would think one spade by Seamon would get some votes|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SKQJHAQ95D8754C62,S95H8643DKQ9CAQ95,SA42HKT72DAT62CK7,ST8763HJDJ3CJT843|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|an|forcing asking|mb|p|mb|3H|an|3!h min|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: Nice hand -- for a break :)|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|mc|11|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SKQJHAQ95D8754C62,S95H8643DKQ9CAQ95,SA42HKT72DAT62CK7,ST8763HJDJ3CJT843|sv|o|nt|jkdood: 1@S is also impressive, by Seamon, yes.|pg|| nt|jkdood: 4@C is being maligned as "letting 4@H happen", but we might note that over 2N at the other table, a @H bid was not found|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: so will meckwell coming in to play help or hurt District 9?|pg|| mb|1D|nt|reisig: YES! :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|pc|c2|nt|jkdood: While folks are maligning bids to me, some are also voting 3@D wasn't their cup of tea|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@D opening is purely a style issue|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4@C and the bidding after interference are systemic issues|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|nt|jkdood: Some use 2@D as multi of course, so not all pairs have that available; and this NS play Flannery|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|d9|pg|| nt|jkdood: So an "informed spec" tells me... we havent found their CC online to refer the link|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|s8|pc|d7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|d2|pc|c4|mc|10|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1ST52HK752D95CJT96,SAJ8H9DJT8CAKQ852,S973HJ86DAKQ742C4,SKQ64HAQT43D63C73|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1D|nt|reisig: Board 15 of 16 ..for this set|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|reisig: an impossible bidding hand|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|reisig: BUT - maybe 4@s|pg|| nt|runnerup: 4 @s making open cards but will he make it ..|pg|| nt|reisig: KQ64 ...I'm not wild about those spots :)|pg|| nt|reisig: Knowing partner has 3@s|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfc: Coren checks, W does not have 4@s|pg|| pc|s2|nt|reisig: We could have told him that :)|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|s7|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|d8|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|runnerup: is he going to make this?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://www.albanycorvallisbridgeclub.org/special/PSYCHE.pdf|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|d2|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|c2|nt|runnerup: so -3|pg|| pc|h8|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|c5|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|sK|mc|8|nt|runnerup: ok -1|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1ST52HK752D95CJT96,SAJ8H9DJT8CAKQ852,S973HJ86DAKQ742C4,SKQ64HAQT43D63C73|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: for the finals -- we only have links to CCs for Kevins and meckwell|pg|| nt|ahollan1: actually that may have also been true for semifinals|pg|| nt|jkdood: We will be back as mentioned after a short break following Bd 16. You can also watch the Collegiate championships here on BBO right away.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so write to acbl encouraging them to solicit official CCs from the pairs that are known well before the summer nabc begins|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|an|!|mb|p|mb|1H|an|!|mb|p|mb|2C|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+ unbal or 17+ bal|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 8-11, not 5+@S|pg|| mb|2D|nt|jkdood: I trust it will also be a requirement for the next Al HollandER Bowl !!|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@H is first time Dwyer shows @H length|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: no interference from Kodayam over 1@C suggests that [at least] 1@D would be artificial|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and maybe 2@D too rich at these colors|pg|| nt|jkdood: On the other hand, non-event may be the closest thing Al has in common with W Buffett!|pg|| nt|pmasson: or that he was hoping to be on lead against NT|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: low from worthless doubleton -- very eastern european|pg|| nt|jkdood: On a good day this could make, but seems pretty impossible due to the club situation and other issues|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dA|nt|jkdood: 3 rnds of @d with a @c pitch? hmmn.|pg|| nt|pmasson: 5C is also reasonable but doomed but the trump split|pg|| nt|reisig: Amazing - how easy -- the hands are -- from this view :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: this is wonderful play problem|pg|| nt|jkdood: There area couple of ways to bring this home, we'll see if Dwyer can find one|pg|| nt|ahollan1: trump 4-2 or trump 33 and bad splitting @C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: or is there a way to protect against both??|pg|| nt|jkdood: We see 3@S went down other room; but my "impossible" was surely premature.|pg|| pc|s4|nt|pmasson: He may be thinking about what he would do on the next diamond if he pitches|pg|| nt|ahollan1: for all of the specs screaming for @C discard -- try not to look at NS cards|pg|| pc|s5|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|nt|ahollan1: LOW @S ruff seems least likely choice of options that succeeds|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: so expected either ruff high or pitch @C|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|h2|pg|| nt|jkdood: and ruff high and duck a @c works, yes many specs saw it|pg|| pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: and my sliderule started to smoke as i tried to do that calculation|pg|| nt|jkdood: and of course GIB saw it|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SKJ2H7632DAQ53CQ8,ST3HQJT9DJ762CJ42,S9764HK854DT9CAT6,SAQ85HADK84CK9753|sv|e|nt|reisig: last hand -----of this set of 16|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Last board of this set, we will be back after the other table finishes and a short break (about 25 min from now)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Thank you all for watching|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: thanks to our commentators|pg|| nt|runnerup: so ..end of this set ..tx all and bye .. |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| nt|reisig: Is it legal - to play the last hand in 1@c?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: makes you wonder...|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|d4|nt|reisig: AND -- the bar is open :) :)|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|c7|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|cJ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|d8|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dJ|mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfc: back after the break, less than 20 min now|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SKJ2H7632DAQ53CQ8,ST3HQJT9DJ762CJ42,S9764HK854DT9CAT6,SAQ85HADK84CK9753|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: GIB peeks at all of the hands|pg|| nt|jkdood: Bd 16 last of the segment; come see Meckwell next set after a shortbreak. Thanks to geat VU op Jordan, ACBL and BBO, specs and commentators.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+ unbal or 18+ bal [3rd vul 1N is 15-17 rather than 14-16]|pg|| mb|1D|mb|2H|an|!|nt|ahollan1: 1@D showing 5-7?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: over the DBL|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Bykov's DBL?? i can't even tell looking at his hand|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: best suggestion DBL = CRASH 2-suits of same Color|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and 2@H as pass/correct fits that explanation|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: this is final board of 1st quarter restart after short break|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Dwyer keeps getting endplayed|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|h9|pc|s7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: wouldn't be bad if it happened 6 times, but i think declarer will prevail on the actual layout|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|c3|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|nt|ahollan1: if allowed to count points -- declarer knows where all of the remaining honors are|pg|| mc|8|nt|ahollan1: make that ALL|pg|| nt|ahollan1: still a great set for Coren's Florida team|pg|| pg||