vg|2014 USBC SF B,Segment 4 of 8,I,46,60,Fleisher,58,Diamond,67| rs|5DE+1,5CE=,4HW-1,4HW-1,4HNx=,5DEx-2,1NN=,1NN=,5CEx=,5SS-1,7NS=,7DS=,4SW-1,4SWx=,4HN-1,4HN-1,3HW-1,3HW-1,PASS,2HE-1,2NE=,3DW=,3NE+1,4SE=,3NE=,4CE=,4SW-1,5CNx-2,6SWx-4,6SEx-4| pn|Martel,Diamond,Fleisher,Platnick,Hampson,Willenken,Greco,Rosenberg|pg|| qx|o46|st||md|4ST9654HJ82D654CAQ,S7H74DAKQ9832CK72,SKJ83HKQ965DJTC96,SAQ2HAT3D7CJT8543|sv|o|mb|2C|an|precision|nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: welcome kit|pg|| nt|kit: I wonder how Diamond handles this hand.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: some pairs play 3@c here as a diamond transfer, maybe we'll see that|pg|| nt|kit: Slam could be possible from his point of view|pg|| nt|kit: I think they play that, but then what?|pg|| nt|kit: It turns out that slam makes on the lie of the cards, but not one they would want to be in.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: i guess you show shortness, but very hard to find out what you need for slam|pg|| nt|kit: I don't think that 3@C "transfer" necessarily shows diamonds|pg|| nt|kit: It might be used for a variety of hands.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C!|an|6+!d inv+|nt|kit: Might not be so dumb to just RKC for clubs and gamble on not having 2 heart losers which opponents cash (which they might not)|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|an|bad hand|mb|p|nt|kit: The problem with showing diamonds is that you don't really need diamond support, so why bring partner into the loop?|pg|| nt|kit: Well, he must have had a follow-through planned|pg|| nt|kit: so I'm surprised he is thinking now, if he is.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: he is; i reflexively entered martel's pass too quickly. S and W are screenmates|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: whatever is right, bidding 3@C and then thinking isn't right. You can't make a bid like that without having a plan.|pg|| pc|d4|nt|Vugraphzfd: maybe he was hoping his pd would show a max and his problem would be easier / different|pg|| nt|kit: Maybe, although with that hand you know partner is going to bid 3@D.|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|d7|pg|| nt|kit: So, how to play this? Not clear at all, but all lines work fine.|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|c3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h5|pc|c4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|nt|kit: I agree this is best, having avoided the heart lead.|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|h7|mc|12|pg|| qx|c46|st||md|4ST9654HJ82D654CAQ,S7H74DAKQ9832CK72,SKJ83HKQ965DJTC96,SAQ2HAT3D7CJT8543|sv|o|mb|1C|nt|Vugraphzfh: welcome back everyone|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|2C|mb|2S|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Welcome back all, last segment of today's first half, 15 boards|pg|| pc|h2|nt|jkdood: Nice friendly C layout for EW|pg|| nt|jkdood: 5@C will therefore be comfortably made; 6 on the other hand requires some special insight|pg|| nt|jkdood: @cs have the added bnenfit over @ds of protecting the spade holding from opening lead|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| nt|jkdood: No small matter on the tricky communication|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|h7|pc|s8|pg|| nt|jkdood: in 5 can just ruff some losers and give 2@C|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|c2|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|h3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|c7|pc|h5|pg|| nt|jkdood: And all is well, as expected|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o47|st||md|1SJ653H85DT853CQ42,SA72HQJT932DAC986,SQT4HA4D97642CAKT,SK98HK76DKQJCJ753|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|kit: it is going to be difficult to avoid the doomed 4@H contract|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|an|weak or strong (precision)|nt|kit: But it is 3NT which is the winner.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: I don't see the 4@H call. Surely if partner is balanced you would want to be in 3NT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|nt|kit: So how can it hurt to bid 2@C or 2@D and see if he bids 2NT?|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c47|st||md|1SJ653H85DT853CQ42,SA72HQJT932DAC986,SQT4HA4D97642CAKT,SK98HK76DKQJCJ753|sv|n|mb|p|nt|jkdood: If slam is reached and the spade finese is needed, that does work as well. And of course makes 5 a bit safer.|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|nt|jkdood: Slam could be in @ds as well as @Cs, if indeed bid|pg|| nt|jkdood: East has a @H fit but will likely show values with a redouble|pg|| nt|jkdood: Various conventions abound over the double, so there are choices aplenty|pg|| mb|r|nt|jkdood: 4-3-3-3 shape calls for downsizing the hopes and possibilities|pg|| mb|1S|nt|jkdood: If EW stumble into 3N, that does make|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|jkdood: If East bid 3N right now (although doubtful) I wonder if West would pass|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|jkdood: THis can be set of course|pg|| pc|c3|nt|jkdood: And appears to be easy for N to do that quickly|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| nt|jkdood: So the position will offer Diamond team a chance for a pickup of 10 if they somehow find a making game|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| nt|jkdood: Most play 1@H - x - 3N is not natural and to play, so many East'|pg|| nt|jkdood: do not have that choice available|pg|| nt|jkdood: North must be pondering if South has Qxxx to start, and if so will a switch be better?|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| nt|jkdood: And gets it right|pg|| mc|9|nt|jkdood: For no swing, as we see other room has same result now|pg|| pg|| qx|o48|st||md|2S7542HQJ43DCQJ542,SJT86HK75DJ72CT76,S93HAT9862DA986CA,SAKQHDKQT543CK983|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|2D|nt|kit: Another 4@H response|pg|| nt|kit: But East isn't going to go quietly I don't think|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|kit: But if he does double, what does West do?|pg|| nt|kit: 4-3-3-3, only high card in hearts -- passing has to be tempting|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: I wish we could run W hand thru a computer 2 million times to see what is right long-term....|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: we have the technology|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|kit: So it looks like this will make -- not that E-W could do much better elsewhere.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Like alot of things(like opening leads vs NT), the results might be surprising...|pg|| nt|kit: At other table, in 5@D doubled.|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|s7|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|h3|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|hJ|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|h6|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|hQ|nt|kit: This is very secure line for 10 tricks|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c48|st||md|2S7542HQJ43DCQJ542,SJT86HK75DJ72CT76,S93HAT9862DA986CA,SAKQHDKQT543CK983|sv|e|nt|jkdood: This deal could get lively|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|nt|jkdood: The hand seems to belong to NS in @H|pg|| mb|d|nt|jkdood: but on the layout, 5@D EW has some hope|pg|| mb|4H|an|need not be totally weak|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: East will bid again I expect|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|nt|jkdood: The 4-3 @s fit EW has interesting possibilities if reached|pg|| nt|jkdood: And this should be down when the dust clears|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|nt|couchbaron: down two I think; no way to reach dummy|pg|| nt|jkdood: Both sides have awkward communications, but the defense should prevail|pg|| pc|s7|pc|d2|nt|jkdood: Welcome John Ramos!|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| nt|couchbaron: thanks Jay! I think the defense can keep declarer from the jack of spades, so should lose three clubs and a diamond|pg|| nt|jkdood: Not clear 5@H was cold, but 4@H was, so its not exactly an EW disaster|pg|| nt|couchbaron: 4H is doubled in the other room|pg|| nt|jkdood: I am going to make John play 4@S in the 4-3 for penance; it could be reached by some pairs perhaps|pg|| nt|jkdood: So -500 isn't so bad when your teammates score 590!!|pg|| nt|couchbaron: yes indeed :)|pg|| nt|jkdood: West had a tough probklem in other room after 1H-2@D-4H-p-p-X|pg|| pc|dT|nt|jkdood: A peeking spec suggests exiting with a small @C does some magic at some juncture|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d7|nt|jkdood: It may be all he can try for in fact|pg|| nt|couchbaron: still can't reach dummy though, I don't think it gets him closer to a tenth trick|pg|| nt|couchbaron: as long as south doesn't come down to all clubs|pg|| nt|jkdood: Scotty has performed such miracles before; so stay tuned|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| nt|couchbaron: ha true|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|s9|pg|| nt|jkdood: Little does he know -200 wins a bunch of imps|pg|| nt|jkdood: 9 of them|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|c4|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|d5|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|h6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o49|st||md|3SJT7HKT43DT93CK54,S953HQJ82DK5CJT92,SK42HA75DJ8742CAQ,SAQ86H96DAQ6C8763|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: 14 to 16 NT|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Old style would lead a spade -- but not today I don't think.|pg|| pc|c8|nt|lrobb98: 1NT is so tough to defend, blind opening lead....wometimes it's worth risking a number just to get them OUT of 1NT!|pg|| pc|c4|nt|kit: yes, but not without some shape.|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|nt|lrobb98: The trend has become to try and not give away tricks on OL vs 1NT..maybe that's right......maybe not......|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| nt|kit: Looks like defense will get 1 club, 3 diamonds, 2 spades, and declarer the rest.|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h3|pc|c9|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|sK|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c49|st||md|3SJT7HKT43DT93CK54,S953HQJ82DK5CJT92,SK42HA75DJ8742CAQ,SAQ86H96DAQ6C8763|sv|o|nt|jkdood: But still wins 3 imps for -500; he will be delighted to learn|pg|| mb|1N|an|13+-16|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: This should go all pass; and duplicate the other room contract|pg|| mb|p|pc|c8|nt|jkdood: Declarer will drive @ds, and drive, and drive some more|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|jkdood: If West puts a @s thur and that occurs, this might not be a plus for NS|pg|| pc|d4|nt|jkdood: "thru"*|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dK|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| nt|jkdood: At times East's spot would be an echo about his side suits (Smith) but when choice in the suit are limited, bets are off|pg|| nt|Henryb: I think the openeng lead had to be a heart to beat this|pg|| nt|jkdood: For example, if declarer played AK or such, East could signal whether he like the obvious shift, or not, in Smith echoing|pg|| nt|jkdood: Welcome Henry Bethe!|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d9|nt|Henryb: Hi Jay|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d7|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h3|pc|cJ|pc|s2|pg|| nt|jkdood: Now N is a sure make|pg|| pc|s9|mc|7|pg|| qx|o50|st||md|4SJT9754HK85D87C96,SQ32HTDAK94CKQT54,SAK86HA9762DQ6CA8,SHQJ43DJT532CJ732|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: they do play multi...|pg|| mb|1D|an|could be 2|nt|kit: Martel has some standards for his weak 2's|pg|| mb|d|nt|kit: Although it is to be noted that opening 2@S would be quite effective on this hand.|pg|| mb|3C|an|both minors weak|nt|kit: This 3@C call showing both minors is a common Precision treatment.|pg|| nt|kit: And now West is going to take a 5@C save -- and it will be a GOOD save.|pg|| mb|3S|mb|5C|nt|lrobb98: the save that makes...|pg|| nt|kit: my definiteion of a good save is one which generates a plus score|pg|| nt|kit: either by making or by pushing opponents too high|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: at another V, S may have opened multi, which may have made it difficult on W.....|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| nt|lrobb98: He could misguess d here....|pg|| pc|sK|nt|kit: Of course declarer still has a diamond guess comin|pg|| pc|c2|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg|| nt|lrobb98: another "does the X'er have a stiff or doub Q??"|pg|| nt|kit: But when clubs are 2-2, I don't think he will play North for a stiff diamond.|pg|| nt|kit: Since most Michaels with 5-5|pg|| nt|kit: or just overcall|pg|| nt|kit: But problem is that he doesn't know trumps 2-2, and he would llike to ruff another spade or two.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Somewhat dissapointing on Marty's hand to go neg here...|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|c4|nt|kit: If he believes ace of hearts he can take ruffing finesse -- but ace of hearts doesn't have to be honest|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c8|nt|kit: Soves that problem -- now he can pitch his last spade and not have to worry about it.|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s3|nt|kit: I expect him to get the diamonds right|pg|| pc|s8|pc|cJ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|sQ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d8|nt|lrobb98: there are usually clues, such as here, but on average, with a TO X, is it more common to have Qx or a stiff??..another one for the computer simulation....|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c50|st||md|4SJT9754HK85D87C96,SQ32HTDAK94CKQT54,SAK86HA9762DQ6CA8,SHQJ43DJT532CJ732|sv|n|nt|jkdood: We are seeing more than a normal allotment of voids today I think|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|jkdood: EW do very well in a minor due to this void in E|pg|| mb|1H|nt|jkdood: NS may reach 4@S and EW take an intended sac that scores|pg|| mb|4D|nt|jkdood: With this start however, NS may just compete in @hs and not even mention spades as a trump suit to be in|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|mb|d|mb|p|nt|couchbaron: this will be an interesting contract|pg|| nt|jkdood: I don't see a way to beat this if @ds are guessed|pg|| mb|5S|mb|p|nt|jkdood: "Will be" or not, :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|jkdood: NS playing with bankers money; their teammates did bring home +550 in 5@Cx making|pg|| nt|jkdood: EW can salavge something by doubling this and leading @C at some point for +500, but will they?|pg|| mb|p|pc|cK|nt|couchbaron: in 5 of a minor doubled South would have to hop king of hearts on a heart play from East|pg|| nt|couchbaron: otherwise there's a ruffing finesse for the game-going trick|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|d2|pc|s4|nt|jkdood: With NS not obviousky sacking or West setting up a Forcing pass; just bidding a freely chosen game (NV) does not force East to do anything special|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: e/w std carding|pg|| nt|jkdood: When the dust clears, the Diamond team should have a win of 8 imps on this deal now|pg|| nt|passell: maybe down 1 |pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|passell: heart to his hand pick up spades exit club |pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c8|nt|jkdood: Welcome Mike Passell... down 1 would make that 10 imps for Diamond|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|d8|pg|| nt|passell: he had to not cash heart now 2 down|pg|| mc|10|nt|couchbaron: rosenberg missed hopping the jack|pg|| pg|| qx|o51|st||md|1SK6HJDAJT8753CK87,S5HT9852D6CQJT632,SAQ2HAK76DKQ94CA4,SJT98743HQ43D2C95|sv|e|nt|kit: This looks like one of the easier grands to bid we will see|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: in the othe rmatch that board was played in 5cX and 5dX|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|an|transfer to diamonds|nt|lrobb98: with diff Vul W could make it tougher here, but this should be easy....|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|couchbaron: In 5 of a minor doubled South would have to hop king of hearts on a heart play from East|pg|| nt|kit: I think they play this shows a 2@D rebid|pg|| nt|kit: or at least some kind of diamond rebid|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: the alert paper says "could be (54)"|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|kit: okay -- then they are doing something different from what I thought.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: its possible I'm reading an old alert; diamonds is more likely|pg|| mb|4H!|an|rkc |mb|p|nt|kit: Anyway, Fleisher will soon be bidding RKC, ask for kings, bid grand|pg|| nt|kit: 4@H is RKC|pg|| mb|4N!|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: 14 tricks with a squeeze for the 15th....|pg|| mb|5H|mb|p|nt|kit: That is if Martel even gives him a chance on the kings -- Martel might just bid the grand himsel when all keycards are accounted for.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: i see now chip's writing is that 2@c shows diamonds; was reading another alert.|pg|| nt|kit: This is king ask -- I don't know if they play it promises all the keycards|pg|| nt|kit: okay, that's what I thought.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Most play a K ask promises all, but some do not.....nice to have an agreement with your partner....|pg|| nt|kit: That's the important thing.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Playing it promises all the Keys makes it easier.....|pg|| nt|kit: I don't think so|pg|| mb|5S!|an|K!s|mb|p|nt|kit: We just pretend it shows all the keys, but instead of bidding the grand we bid 6NT, giving partner an out if a kc is missing|pg|| nt|kit: This shows king of clubs at least, I think|pg|| nt|kit: apparently not -- I thought they coded up-the-line|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Marty can now bid it, opp K of spades...|pg|| mb|5N|mb|p|nt|kit: not for sure -- Martel doesn't have to have 7 diamonds|pg|| mb|6C|mb|p|nt|kit: This shows the other black king (whichever way they play)|pg|| nt|lrobb98: but he needs another card.....|pg|| nt|kit: and now 7NT|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: 6@c wasn't alerted so I am pretty sure i got the 5@s right. chip's writing is miniscule|pg|| nt|kit: if he is sure of 6-card diamond suit, which he is|pg|| mb|7N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: 2 IMP pickup, as in 7@D in other room|pg|| pc|cQ|mc|13|nt|lrobb98: They do usually play light openings, which makes slam bidding a bit hairier......|pg|| pg|| qx|c51|st||md|1SK6HJDAJT8753CK87,S5HT9852D6CQJT632,SAQ2HAK76DKQ94CA4,SJT98743HQ43D2C95|sv|e|mb|1D!|an|10-15 2+!d|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Bottom line I think is that 5@S by Greco was quite a fortunate choice of bids|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|nt|jkdood: By Hampson, sorry|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S!|an|like 4th suit gf|nt|jkdood: An easy 7 here to bid and make it seems NS|pg|| mb|p|nt|jkdood: I would be surprised to see any team in the USBF semifinals not reach at least 7@D|pg|| mb|3S!|an|7 diamonds, good hand|mb|p|mb|7D|mb|p|nt|couchbaron: Fleischer-Martel reach 7NT in the other room|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Even some of our commentators might reach 7!!|pg|| pc|s5|mc|13|nt|jkdood: A couple imps to Fleisher for being in NT|pg|| pg|| qx|o52|st||md|2SQ932HJ743D4CQ652,SAKJT84H6DKTCA974,SHKT9DAQJ8653CKJ3,S765HAQ852D972CT8|sv|b|mb|1C|an|strong artificial|nt|kit: Fleisher now has really interesting problem|pg|| nt|kit: We might see something creative|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Problem with preempting is it may be their hand....he has a good hand...|pg|| mb|3D|mb|3H|an|5+!h game forcing|mb|p|mb|3S|nt|kit: I was expecting a 4@D or 5@D call frankly.|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|kit: And now how happy is Fleisher?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: He looks pretty much like he always looks, kit|pg|| nt|lrobb98: tough lead......|pg|| nt|kit: Yes, and possibly a critical lead|pg|| pc|hT|nt|lrobb98: to hook or.....|pg|| nt|kit: Good choice -- probably as safe as anything|pg|| nt|kit: I think he will hook -- he needs 10 tricks, you know|pg|| nt|kit: And where are they if he doesn't hook?|pg|| nt|lrobb98: 6sp,1h,1c,2ruffs...|pg|| pc|hA|nt|kit: 2 ruffs?|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c5|nt|kit: clubs 3 1/2, 3 1/2?|pg|| nt|lrobb98: also, psychologically, players do not like to go down right away, if he hooks and it is off, he is down....|pg|| nt|kit: Psychologically I don't like to down, whether right away or later.|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|lrobb98: I like to draw out the agony myself....|pg|| nt|kit: North pretty much has to continue clubs, I think, like it or not.|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dT|pg|| nt|kit: Now declarer has a chance|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|s2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h7|nt|kit: South must shift to a trump to give him a problem|pg|| nt|kit: Now will have no problem taking first round spade finesse when North doesn't ruff the fourth round of clubs|pg|| nt|lrobb98: but maybe he will play one trump, in case N has only 1....|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|kit: he might|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h2|pg|| nt|kit: But now he has some idea of shape in hearts maybe, and North likely to have 3 clubs the way things are going|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|s5|pc|c6|pg|| nt|kit: Moment of truth coming|pg|| nt|kit: Which more likely in North's hand the way play has gone -- stiff queen, or void?|pg|| nt|lrobb98: here it is....0-3-7-3 vs 1-2-7-3|pg|| nt|kit: That is what he has to decide.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: hooking now only loses to that stiff Q...|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|nt|kit: here we go|pg|| pc|sA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|lrobb98: oops|pg|| nt|kit: key is what Diamond thinks is going on in the heart suit|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d3|pc|s7|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c52|st||md|2SQ932HJ743D4CQ652,SAKJT84H6DKTCA974,SHKT9DAQJ8653CKJ3,S765HAQ852D972CT8|sv|b|mb|1S|nt|jkdood: And yet another void|pg|| mb|2D|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|jkdood: North will likely not pass here|pg|| mb|d|nt|jkdood: If N doubles and South leaves it in, doubt it will fail|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Declaring NS is no bargain either|pg|| pc|dA|nt|jkdood: The heart finesse is marked and may be important to take|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|s2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|c2|nt|jkdood: Quite a lot of handling, but I expect Chris will prevail|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|nt|jkdood: If South pitches a @c now, one ruff sets them up|pg|| pc|h3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|d5|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg|| nt|jkdood: So the heart finesse will indeed provide trick 10|pg|| nt|couchbaron: this will transpose into a show-up squeeze, if he ruffs a club and runs his trumps|pg|| nt|jkdood: South can protect @C|pg|| nt|couchbaron: oh sorry you're right|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg|| nt|couchbaron: so he'll just finesse|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|c7|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cK|mc|10|pg|| qx|o53|st||md|3ST9862HA65D8CKT87,S743HQ43DQ743CA53,SQHJT872DAKJ95CQ2,SAKJ5HK9DT62CJ964|sv|n|nt|lrobb98: yes...the lead may have swayed him toward 10x......|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|nt|kit: 4@S doubled made in other room, so 13 IMPs|pg|| nt|lrobb98: virtually a new match....|pg|| nt|kit: A lot to be said for just shooting out 4@H on South hand and letting opponents guess.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: After a hand like that, and being tired, the great players somehow get it together to just concentrate.....|pg|| mb|2D!|an|good 8 to bad 10 with 3!h|mb|d|nt|kit: This likely shows good 2H raise|pg|| nt|kit: Don't know if double is diamonds or responseive|pg|| mb|3D|nt|kit: Fleisher must be wondering that also.|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|nt|kit: Seems like Platnick might have doubled this if partner is showing values.|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|lrobb98: interesting play hand....a of options....|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h5|nt|kit: no kidding -- and here comes one of them.|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg|| nt|kit: wow -- I don't know that I would have found queen of hearts play by Diamond|pg|| nt|kit: He may have picked up from Fleisher problem that Fleisher didn't have king of hearts.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: looks like he will have to guess d...to hook.....but with the X, showing d or values....|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| nt|kit: Yes, doesn't sem like much else to the hand|pg|| nt|kit: He can assume East has 4 spades and 2 hearts|pg|| nt|kit: If East has 4 diamonds, either everything works or nothing does|pg|| nt|kit: And if East has 3 diamonds, then finesse is percentage play|pg|| nt|kit: Not to mention West's double of 2@D|pg|| nt|kit: So, finesse does look right|pg|| nt|lrobb98: the X would not usually be made on a 6 count, flat.....so.......|pg|| nt|kit: well, a couple of black jacks unaccounted for|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|s6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|h6|pc|d7|pg|| nt|kit: big missed opportunity|pg|| nt|lrobb98: easier to see the right play from up here.....|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cA|nt|kit: at other table plays started same, but West didn't put up queen of hearts|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dQ|mc|9|nt|kit: However, that didn't matter -- reached basically same position|pg|| pg|| qx|c53|st||md|3ST9862HA65D8CKT87,S743HQ43DQ743CA53,SQHJT872DAKJ95CQ2,SAKJ5HK9DT62CJ964|sv|n|mb|1H|nt|couchbaron: 4S is undoubled in the other room|pg|| mb|d|mb|3D!|an|mixed raise|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Somewhat like the previous board; if the counterparts were in 5@D x, there may have been some imps salvaged|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|nt|jkdood: 3@D is a heart raise by S|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|jkdood: Now here again is a lot of handling for declarer|pg|| nt|couchbaron: east not thrilled about any continuation here|pg|| nt|couchbaron: but declarer still looks short a trick|pg|| nt|jkdood: Trump 3-2, club finesse and @D finesse on, certainly ways to prevail for declarer|pg|| nt|couchbaron: declarer needs to guess trumps for one loser, not trivial|pg|| pc|h9|nt|couchbaron: although it is on that shift|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h4|pc|hT|pg|| nt|couchbaron: now he's cold, with the aid of the diamond finesse|pg|| nt|jkdood: And Diamond went dow in 4@S on prior board, so 13 to Fleisher team|pg|| nt|jkdood: Closest this match has been since the start|pg|| nt|jkdood: Far from clear what line is indicated here|pg|| nt|couchbaron: what happened on that 4S at the other table is that Fleisher chose a jump overcall (which was probably intermediate) and then sold out|pg|| nt|ganz: hello again|pg|| nt|couchbaron: and he led a heart; diamond was unprepared to finesse at trick 1|pg|| nt|couchbaron: hi Craig!|pg|| nt|jkdood: He also gave limited info that way; perhaps rewarded in the play|pg|| nt|jkdood: Welcome Craig Ganzer!|pg|| nt|ganz: looks like they closed the gap!|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c7|nt|jkdood: We have seen some swings|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|jkdood: You joined us just in time for an iffy game contract with no clear paths either way|pg|| nt|jkdood: The pesky @D queen could be anywhere|pg|| nt|jkdood: The there's the also pesky @C J :)|pg|| nt|jkdood: Many specs think the double suggests locations; as we see, far from true|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| nt|jkdood: Other room in same 4@H contract|pg|| nt|jkdood: Bidding different but not by much|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|s6|pc|d3|pg|| nt|jkdood: A tricky/iffy VUL game like this is a critical deal to handle|pg|| nt|jkdood: Which is why neither room is playing it quickly|pg|| nt|couchbaron: result will be duplicated in the other room|pg|| nt|jkdood: West showed some values in the other room; but declarer knows West is not broke here as well|pg|| nt|couchbaron: essentially the same position reached and the same line taken|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|h6|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|h2|pc|s5|pg|| nt|jkdood: Specs full of suggestions that might work better; i bet they all peeked!|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|d5|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c8|pc|s7|pc|h8|pc|cJ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o54|st||md|4SJ3H94DQT752CAK63,SAQ984HAT32DJ6C97,SKT72HK87DA98C852,S65HQJ65DK43CQJT4|sv|e|nt|kit: and didn't take finesse either.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|semi forcing|nt|kit: East has to decide whether or not to raise to 3@H|pg|| mb|2D|mb|2H|nt|kit: Keeping in mind limited opening, so West doesn't have 16-count.|pg|| mb|3D|mb|3H|nt|kit: But after overcall North will raise to 3@D, and now East has no choice.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|nt|kit: So, the overcall may have turned a minus score into a plus score|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| nt|kit: Since it looks like 8 tricks in hearts.|pg|| nt|kit: showing once again that it is a bidder's game.|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c3|nt|lrobb98: continuing dia would have made it a bit more difficult..tricky.....|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|lrobb98: It seems that it is often right to just keep leading your long, strong suit at each opportunity......|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Chip's 2d bid here paid off well; some play that 2d here shows d plus the other major, here on Q10xxx he had moxie......|pg|| nt|lrobb98: If the bidding had gone 1NT-P-2H-p-p- would you reopen with 2NT by Chip?????|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h2|nt|kit: depends on my table feel|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|d5|pc|h3|pg|| nt|kit: But if I were going to reopen it would be with double, just in case partner had a hand to pass.|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c54|st||md|4SJ3H94DQT752CAK63,SAQ984HAT32DJ6C97,SKT72HK87DA98C852,S65HQJ65DK43CQJT4|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|jkdood: What was extra complicated was a chance N could score trick 10 en passant (J behind Q in trump) but communications failed that|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|nt|jkdood: Yes there are lines that worked; but declarers lines "could have easily worked" as well|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|jkdood: Looks to be just 8 tricks here|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sQ|nt|jkdood: Other room also playing 3@H EW|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| nt|jkdood: NS competed to the 3 level in @D in the other room|pg|| nt|jkdood: N wondering if a low @D would work or even be needed; doubt it would work|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| nt|jkdood: And for certain doesn't like setting up dummy's @C if he can avoid it safely|pg|| nt|jkdood: If South has T9 in @H a later @s is magical for the defense|pg|| nt|jkdood: And could have been the layout|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d5|nt|jkdood: Other room finished down 1 as we see; likely to be the same result here|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s2|pc|hQ|pc|c6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|s8|pc|c8|pg|| nt|jkdood: Declarer's hopes of making this were probably just dashed|pg|| nt|jkdood: As he knows where @H K is now|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|sT|nt|jkdood: And plays accodingly|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o55|st||md|1SQJ6HQJ72DAT2C943,SAT73HT93D987CKJ5,SK984HKD6543CAT62,S52HA8654DKQJCQ87|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: And to give us more wriggle room to find our 8-card minor-suit fit if partner is 3-3.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pg|| qx|c55|st||md|1SQJ6HQJ72DAT2C943,SAT73HT93D987CKJ5,SK984HKD6543CAT62,S52HA8654DKQJCQ87|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: East should pass this out, but N might not here|pg|| nt|ganz: despite some errors the standard of play here has been very high--about half as many imps scored in the SF matches as in the QFs|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|nt|jkdood: On Pierson points (high card plus spades, eq 15, but some use 14) the East hand would pass this board out often|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|d5|pg|| nt|jkdood: +110 EW looks possibe, but just barely|pg|| nt|couchbaron: trouble is lurking with the spade taps coming|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|h5|pg|| nt|jkdood: And as reliable experts have suggested, this wil be down 1 for that|pg|| nt|couchbaron: getting the side suits going early would have been better on this particular lie|pg|| nt|jkdood: So this is a win 3 or lose 3 board; and Diamond will win 3 to up their small lead|pg|| pc|dK|nt|jkdood: South's 7 @H will be the setting trick|pg|| nt|jkdood: South likely needs their partner to have @C ace, so should play for it|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cJ|nt|jkdood: Rosenberg hopes by forcing ther choice now maybe they will mishap|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|jkdood: A @S is needed|pg|| nt|jkdood: I doubt Greco will get this wrong|pg|| pc|sK|nt|jkdood: If he errs; there will be a new leader|pg|| pc|h8|mc|7|pg|| qx|o56|st||md|2SAQ84HAT2DT5CA854,SK63HK95DQJ63CKT7,ST952HJ87D742CJ62,SJ7HQ643DAK98CQ93|sv|o|nt|kit: A passout -- hard to believe|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: platnick: sorry pd i ihad a strong club opener. Diamond: so did I |pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|Vugraphzfd: platnick: I passed out of hunger|pg|| mb|d|mb|r!|an|support|mb|p|an|no preference (not penalties)|nt|kit: Why didn't North bid 1@S?|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: He does have a pretty clear preference|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|lrobb98: So playing XYZ, does it still apply here, delayed XYZ?|pg|| nt|kit: Platnick knows no 5-card spade suit out against him, so he doesn't need a stopper too badly.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: 7 easy tricks, then.....|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: tough to defend, S will be under pressure....|pg|| nt|kit: eighth coming quickly after club lead I predict|pg|| pc|s4|nt|lrobb98: or spade lead.....|pg|| nt|kit: right suit, wrong card|pg|| nt|kit: If he thought his partner had 4 spdes, whiy not lead ace? I don't see how that can be inferior to leading low.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: This was played by the correct side(or lucky side)....bridge does have quite a bit of random luck, which side is on lead etc...|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| nt|kit: cute -- 3 kings to lead up to in dummy, and he will lead up to them one by one.|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|h4|pg|| nt|lrobb98: now a club back would have....|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|c5|pc|d6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|hT|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c56|st||md|2SAQ84HAT2DT5CA854,SK63HK95DQJ63CKT7,ST952HJ87D742CJ62,SJ7HQ643DAK98CQ93|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|d|nt|jkdood: EW stopping in 2N on 12 vs 12 other room; making exactly|pg|| mb|1S!|an|3 hearts|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: 1S is support; shows 3@H|pg|| mb|p|pc|c2|nt|ganz: well judged all around |pg|| nt|jkdood: That lead is helpful to not having to guess @C J|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sT|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|jkdood: On the previous hand declarer would make at the end if S overruffed; but South just pitches a small loser so he can get his @H 7 for down 1|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|c4|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o57|st||md|3S875H64DT87CKQT76,SAJ4HT972DKJ52C43,ST2HAQJ85DQ64C982,SKQ963HK3DA93CAJ5|sv|e|mb|2D!|an|weak 2 in either major|nt|kit: Multi -- quite wide range as seen.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Multi is wheeled out..tough to bid against...|pg|| nt|kit: Not this time -- 2@S overcall, raise, game.|pg|| mb|2N|nt|kit: He will survive this, but I do think 2@S better.|pg|| mb|p|nt|lrobb98: 3NT is often right, even with 8 or 9 in the major..here both make....|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: with only Kx of H, you cannot hold off in NT, it looks better to either overcall or X......but it's a guess...|pg|| nt|kit: you can still get to NT after overcalling, but you aren't going to get to a 5-3 spade fit after bidding 2NT.|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|nt|kit: This will be ducked, obviously|pg|| pc|c9|nt|lrobb98: K asks for honor/count|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|kit: and after the heart shift there will be 9 winners.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: playing upside down count/att..high is discouraging, if count is odd ...low encouraging, even ....|pg|| pc|s8|nt|kit: South thinks partner has spades|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Overall multi, paired with Fantunes(Italian) 2H,2sp, is a winner but sometimes...like here..you do not know pard's suit....|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c4|pg|| mc|10|nt|Vugraphzfd: platnick claims 4 on a show up squeeze against south|pg|| pg|| qx|c57|st||md|3S875H64DT87CKQT76,SAJ4HT972DKJ52C43,ST2HAQJ85DQ64C982,SKQ963HK3DA93CAJ5|sv|e|nt|jkdood: And EW should reach 3N here; as other room is playing|pg|| mb|2H|nt|jkdood: Or 4@S??|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Both seem to be makeable|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h6|nt|jkdood: Rosenberg will regret 3N whe he sees dummy, but perk up when the 2nd @h is not ruffed by S|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pg|| nt|jkdood: North saw if he played partner for a "x" and was wrong, the Q@H back would award EW a likely trick, perhaps trick 10|pg|| nt|jkdood: Other variations due to T9xx @H in dummy also threatened|pg|| nt|jkdood: THere is some delixate handling; like safely getting a @c ruff; then later having @ds behave, for Rosenberg to consider|pg|| nt|couchbaron: i think he could read the 6 as a doubleton|pg|| nt|couchbaron: assuming from 6-4-3 they lead low|pg|| nt|couchbaron: and perhaps thinking that declarer was unlikely to have Kxx|pg|| nt|jkdood: Failure of declarer to play @HT gave the clue|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|sQ|pc|cT|pc|h9|pg|| nt|jkdood: Testing Rosenberg's mettle here, but the layout is forgiving|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|s4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|d2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o58|st||md|4SAQ74H96DQ8762C73,SJ65H3DJTCKQJT962,ST983HAKJ854D943C,SK2HQT72DAK5CA854|sv|b|mb|1N|nt|lrobb98: 2sp=min/max or clubs by W....|pg|| nt|kit: South might get involve|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|an|min/max or clubs|nt|kit: I guess he is then going to show shortness|pg|| mb|3H|mb|d|nt|lrobb98: now W has a problem....|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h9|pc|h3|nt|lrobb98: good 3NT bid by John......|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|dT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cK|nt|kit: North's defense looks best -- hoping partner has ace of spades and KQ10 of diamonds|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|h8|pc|c5|nt|Vugraphzfd: diamond cheers when platnick doesn't show up with stiff A@c|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h5|pc|c8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|cT|pc|sT|pc|h7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s9|pc|d5|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dQ|mc|9|pg|| qx|c58|st||md|4SAQ74H96DQ8762C73,SJ65H3DJTCKQJT962,ST983HAKJ854D943C,SK2HQT72DAK5CA854|sv|b|mb|1N|nt|jkdood: Board 60 will end today's half; close match; coverages begin 1PM NY time tomorrow here on BBO|pg|| mb|p|nt|jkdood: It's been at least 2 boards since our last void!|pg|| mb|2S!|an|!c or size ask|nt|couchbaron: ha true|pg|| nt|jkdood: Other room in 3N on this deal|pg|| mb|3H|nt|ganz: certainly looks like where you'd want to be|pg|| nt|couchbaron: 5c off one|pg|| nt|jkdood: 2@S shows clubs or other things|pg|| nt|jkdood: How about 4@S NS?|pg|| mb|3N|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Thanks to our great VU Op Dan Neil; and John Ramos, Craig Ganzer, and Mike Pasell for commentary|pg|| nt|jkdood: Passell, sorry|pg|| mb|p|nt|ganz: wonder if e-w have an agreement about west's pass over the double|pg|| mb|p|pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| nt|jkdood: Perhaps credit to NS, but 10 imps to Diamond team for this possible mishap|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sK|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o59|st||md|1S52HA72DQ753CKQJ9,SAJT643HT4DT96C76,S7HK98DA842CT8432,SKQ98HQJ653DKJCA5|sv|o|mb|1C|an|could be short|mb|2S|mb|3C|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: The 1@C could be a 2-bagger, so North has a real problem.|pg|| pc|s7|nt|kit: But he chose well to defend anyway.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Playing a short club, 2+, it is always a tough choice with 5, whether to raise...usually it seems to work out.....I think short club, where 1d=usually 5, has major advantages over older Standard American, 3+ 3+.....|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c3|nt|kit: I agree -- reason is that in Standard the 1@C opening doesn't really say anything anyway, so playing the unbalanced 1@D, the 1@D opening says a lot.|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|d3|mc|9|nt|lrobb98: yes, and afte 1c(short)-1d-1 of a major=unbalanced, so you know alot about pard's hand, unlike in standard up the line...with a weak NT, over 1d, you just rebid 1NT....|pg|| pg|| qx|c59|st||md|1S52HA72DQ753CKQJ9,SAJT643HT4DT96C76,S7HK98DA842CT8432,SKQ98HQJ653DKJCA5|sv|o|nt|ganz: if west had the option to XX to show doubt, pulling would be a very big action|pg|| mb|1D!|an|2+!d 10-15|mb|1S|nt|jkdood: EW reached 4@S on this deal in the other room; seems like down 1|pg|| mb|3C!|an|minors, less than invite|mb|4C|nt|ganz: we've seen a few 1-level overcall's like west's this week|pg|| nt|jkdood: Thanks to USBF and Jan and team; and of course BBO and all the helpful specs. Bd 60 will be last of the day.|pg|| nt|ganz: it can be a very effective deceptive move--your partner rates to score a lot of his queens when you do that|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|jkdood: Many authorities suggest having Qx outside when you preempt for that reason|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|nt|ganz: yes, thre's nothing to put your opps on tilt like overcalling 2H on qx ajxxxx qxx qx and taking 4 defensive tricks|pg|| pc|s2|nt|jkdood: SO looks like Fleisher team is headed to a gain of about 8 or so imps|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|hT|nt|jkdood: 4@S in other room seems headed for -50|pg|| nt|jkdood: Board 60 is exciting; don't go away!|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|hA|pg|| nt|jkdood: (last time I said that was the Levin Weinstein gambit for 31 imps in the Vanderbilt)|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| nt|ganz: i'm told that on the previous board, chris's XX of 3nt would have been business|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: greco shakes head, now knowing 4@s was down|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|c8|pc|s8|pg|| nt|jkdood: Some play xx by the other hand shows "doubt"|pg|| nt|ganz: yes, but not e-w :)|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dJ|nt|jkdood: The Diamond lead should be 8 when Bd 60 begins here; last of the day (1PM NY time start tomorrow)|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|s6|pc|h9|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o60|st||md|2SAHATDKQJ87CAKQT9,SKQ87543HQ983DC74,ST6HK6DT96432C862,SJ92HJ7542DA5CJ53|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfd: last board of the night -- play will resume again at 1pm eastern time tomorrow|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Now this one is interesting, for sure.|pg|| mb|5N|mb|p|nt|kit: I think they play 4NT is 2 or 3-suited including hearts, so ......|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: same start as in steve weinstein's room, although Howard weinstein bid 6@c in this spot. East took cheap insurance in 6@s anyway.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: 6@c in repsonse to 5N I mean.|pg|| nt|lrobb98: usually 4NT= 2 or 3 suit, could be minors but if they play it has H, that complicates things......5NT was practical....|pg|| mb|6C|mb|6S|nt|kit: so if it goes 6@C, P-P, should West double?|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: And if so, causing them to run, should he double with xx in diamonds and a club void?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: at meck's table 6@c got doubled and south ranto the more successful 6d|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h3|pg|| nt|meargent: they did against meckwell so meck ran to his 4 card @D suit|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| nt|lrobb98: I think W should X with a void in diamonds, if they run they run..with a void in clubs, and no diamonds, X would be.....interesting......hey, sometimes pard has a club trick.....|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h8|pc|d2|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| mc|8|nt|lrobb98: at other table, it is 2H-p-3spades-4NT-??|pg|| pg|| qx|c60|st||md|2SAHATDKQJ87CAKQT9,SKQ87543HQ983DC74,ST6HK6DT96432C862,SJ92HJ7542DA5CJ53|sv|n|nt|jkdood: Math and me - not perfect together|pg|| mb|2H!|an|weak 2!s opening|nt|ritong: potential huge board here|pg|| mb|p|nt|jkdood: Welcome Henri!|pg|| mb|3S|nt|ritong: hi jay|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|jkdood: 6@D obviously the place for NS to be|pg|| nt|jkdood: EW can sack for 1100 vs 1370 perhaps|pg|| nt|ritong: things took quite a different way other match when west opened 3@s|pg|| mb|5D|nt|ritong: pass raise to 4@s|pg|| mb|p|mb|5S|nt|jkdood: Ahhh just 800... Thanks (many) specs|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: 4NT by south any two suiter|pg|| mb|6D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: 5@c by north, in case south has @cs and @hs|pg|| mb|6S|nt|ritong: raised to 6@c lightner double by west|pg|| nt|ritong: pass pass insta6@d by meckstroth|pg|| nt|jkdood: no 6@S Henri then?|pg|| nt|ritong: things go more quietly here, sort of|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|arjundhir: diamond lead will cost n/s 7 imps.|pg|| pc|sA|nt|ganz: south is on lead|pg|| nt|ganz: never leading a diamond with 3 other aces to choose among|pg|| nt|arjundhir: yep :)|pg|| pc|s3|nt|ganz: even north wouldn't, with 6 of them|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|nt|jkdood: Spies suggest Meckwell were allowed to play 6@D, making of course|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ritong: oui|pg|| nt|ritong: claimed +1370 after the lead|pg|| mc|8|nt|ritong: when rodwell had finished to display his trumps|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: thanks everyone, see you tomorrow for the 2nd half of the semis|pg|| pg||