vg|2014 USBC SF B,Segment 3 of 8,I,31,45,Fleisher,29,Diamond,55| rs|4HW=,4HW=,3CN=,3NS=,3DNx=,3NW=,2SN+2,3DE-2,1NS+2,1NN+1,3NN=,3NN=,3HW-1,3CS=,2NS=,2NS=,4SE+1,4SW=,4SW=,4SW+1,4SN-1,4SS-1,4HN+2,4HN+2,2SE+2,4SW=,2SE-1,1NS+1,5DE-1,3DE+1| pn|Martel,Bathurst,Fleisher,Moss,Hampson,Willenken,Greco,Rosenberg|pg|| qx|o31|st||md|1S97H6DK8653CK8764,S2HAKJT943DT7CQJ9,SQ8643HQ85DJ92CAT,SAKJT5H72DAQ4C532|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|h5|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c31|st||md|1S97H6DK8653CK8764,S2HAKJT943DT7CQJ9,SQ8643HQ85DJ92CAT,SAKJT5H72DAQ4C532|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfh: hi all|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|1N|mb|2H|nt|jkdood: Welcome everyone|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|nt|Vugraphzfh: hi jay|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|c9|pg|| nt|jkdood: 4@H seems normal; should make but the play could get tricky |pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|h5|pc|c5|pg|| nt|jkdood: The good start by NS sort of helps make the hand go well from here on|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: chris showed hampson his hand and claimed|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o32|st||md|2SAT4HK9DQ7643CKJ5,SKJ752HAQ6542DC93,S63HJ83DAJ9CAQT84,SQ98HT7DKT852C762|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h2|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h4|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s5|mc|9|pg|| qx|c32|st||md|2SAT4HK9DQ7643CKJ5,SKJ752HAQ6542DC93,S63HJ83DAJ9CAQT84,SQ98HT7DKT852C762|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfh: hey john|pg|| nt|jkdood: A @D lead then a poor view in hearts could for example create some tempting losing options|pg|| mb|1H|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfh: might lead a club to the 9 on that start for sure|pg|| nt|jkdood: NS might try to reach 3N here|pg|| nt|shuster: South might bid 3NT here, putting the screws to West|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|nt|jkdood: Some of the specs "hate" leading Ax. But its often done, and as we see by top players.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: certainly pretty appealing after south showed minors!|pg|| nt|jkdood: A great opening lead was just found by Chris W.|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| nt|shuster: I don't think declarer can make on a heart lead either|pg|| nt|jkdood: And we see a @H lead would also do quite well|pg|| nt|jkdood: Just one trick less well perhaps|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: 2 losing leads...and both in the overcall suit|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: prob down even on c lead|pg|| nt|jkdood: NS might reaches other contracts, but the bad @d break bode poorly for all of them|pg|| nt|shuster: A slower auction would allow west in cheaper. Would you call 3@S over 2NT, Jay?|pg|| nt|jkdood: If I peeked at this layout, for sure, Mike :)|pg|| nt|shuster: Perhaps I Michaels-esque 3@C |pg|| nt|jkdood: Its always awkward to be "creative" at this vulnerability|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: 3c might be better used to show 4-6 or 4-7|pg|| nt|shuster: I have no idea if 1@H (2@C) Pass (2NT) ; 3@C would mean this shape or if it would be fielded |pg|| nt|jkdood: Without suitable discussion, it would likely just be treated as forcing with "who knows"|pg|| nt|shuster: Rosenberg is taking his time here. Might he be considering that his partner has the @SAK|pg|| nt|shuster: and that if he continues spades, he won't ever be able to establish a heart trick before the @SK is removed|pg|| nt|jkdood: Not your everyday auction for sure|pg|| nt|shuster: before the @DK, not @SK|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: maybe thinking about chris needing a H if he has kq?|pg|| nt|jkdood: The low lead ( @S5) suggests interest in suit being continued perhaps; one thing to think about|pg|| pc|d2|nt|shuster: And it would be tempting to lead high from AKxx|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h2|nt|shuster: I'm sure he has a good reason for this shift|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|nt|jkdood: Still tempted to ask; is this April Fool, Craig?|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d6|pc|h6|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h5|pc|h8|mc|9|nt|shuster: this rates to not be a push|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: chris looked unhappy after the shift. and even more unhappy after the claim.|pg|| pg|| qx|o33|st||md|3SQT9HQ98643D72CA8,SA543HKJ5DA94CJ97,SKJ72H2DKQ8653C63,S86HAT7DJTCKQT542|sv|o|mb|p|mb|2C|an|prec|mb|p|mb|2D|an|ask|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c33|st||md|3SQT9HQ98643D72CA8,SA543HKJ5DA94CJ97,SKJ72H2DKQ8653C63,S86HAT7DJTCKQT542|sv|o|nt|jkdood: Not even those helpful specs were suggesting that would be Rosenbergs choice|pg|| nt|couchbaron: partscore being played at the other table, that play was big, obviously|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2C|nt|jkdood: EW have a Meckwellian 3N perhaps here|pg|| mb|d|mb|2N|nt|shuster: the light attack openings are very difficult to deal with|pg|| nt|shuster: I think East should raise. If the clubs come in, 9 tricks ought to be there. If they don't, they don't rate to take eight|pg|| nt|shuster: Although removing to 3@C is the alternative to passing|pg|| mb|3D|nt|jkdood: Awkward 3N but seems to be making if bid|pg|| mb|3N|nt|jkdood: Pesky Opps, NV, keep bidding though|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|shuster: if they bid any more, they will be doubled|pg|| nt|jkdood: 3N by East would go set with a @D lead; ducked, spade shift; but from West the 9@D is a big card|pg|| mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|d7|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| nt|jkdood: My usual fast analysis, maybe makes from either side with thoughtful play|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|nt|jkdood: A duck here a duck there, a quack quack analysis perhaps|pg|| nt|jkdood: So tricky but makeable either side the consensus seems to be|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: slightly odd play by declarer, giving them a chance to cash out|pg|| nt|jkdood: The April Fools 3N gained 7 for Diamond|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d2|mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfh: chris: i owe you an imp|pg|| pg|| qx|o34|st||md|4SAT6432H2DJ2CAK92,S985H94DAT743CQJ7,SQJHJT87DKQ86CT43,SK7HAKQ653D95C865|sv|n|mb|1N|nt|Vugraphzfd: not your textbook 1nt opener|pg|| mb|2D|an|one major|mb|p|mb|2S|an|pass or correct|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s2|pc|h9|pc|h7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|s4|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|h3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h6|pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c34|st||md|4SAT6432H2DJ2CAK92,S985H94DAT743CQJ7,SQJHJT87DKQ86CT43,SK7HAKQ653D95C865|sv|n|nt|jkdood: A good result for EW; especially after a mishap of sorts that should be forgotten by a pro pair|pg|| mb|1N|mb|2S|mb|3C|nt|couchbaron: at the other table on 33 E/W stopped off to double 3D, which should be down only 1|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|nt|Vugraphzfh: tough for ns to find 4s|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: This sort of 1NT with a hefty 6 card suit, even in a major, seems to be getting popular this season|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: lots of 2nts bid here like that too|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|cT|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|c4|pc|d5|pg|| nt|jkdood: At 50 a trick, this 3@D contract failing may score well with NS making many spades|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|h5|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| nt|couchbaron: the defense has failed to negotiate its spade ruff in the other room, so 3Dx is going to come home|pg|| pc|hK|pc|s3|pc|h9|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|s4|pc|cJ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h3|nt|jkdood: As Craig implied, if Martel-Fleisher stumble into 4@S, it will have chances|pg|| mc|7|nt|Vugraphzfh: so that was a true grosvenor|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: eric returned the h7, but of course rosenberg can't run that to the 9|pg|| pg|| qx|o35|st||md|1SQ42HAQT5DKT74C92,ST983HK763DJ2CAT4,SJ76H42DAQ86CKQ65,SAK5HJ98D953CJ873|sv|e|mb|1C|an|could be 2|mb|p|nt|germs345: hi everybody!|pg|| mb|1S|an|no 4 card major|nt|diana_eva: Hi Zach :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|germs345: 1s here by fleisher that sorta "transfer" to 1nt|pg|| nt|germs345: 6-12|pg|| nt|germs345: he will likely invite now|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|germs345: or not!|pg|| nt|germs345: taking the low road white|pg|| nt|germs345: if he were red i would guarentee at least an invite|pg|| pc|s9|nt|germs345: he has a max|pg|| nt|germs345: Martel should have 8 easy-ish tricks here|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dT|pc|cT|pc|d8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|c5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|s7|pc|c8|pg|| nt|germs345: so 8 tricks here for martel as he must score another in the end game and a push|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c35|st||md|1SQ42HAQT5DKT74C92,ST983HK763DJ2CAT4,SJ76H42DAQ86CKQ65,SAK5HJ98D953CJ873|sv|e|mb|1D|nt|jkdood: A big 13 for the double plusses on Bd 33, and the match tightens to 20 imps for DIamond lead|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: rosenberg: michael seamon did that [1n on a hand like that] in 2000 or so. he won 12 imps!|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|Vugraphzfh: they missed the spade ruff?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h9|nt|couchbaron: yes, they had to hit on a spade on opening lead; it was too late when they didn't|pg|| nt|jkdood: I marvel at how often this "nebulous/short" 1@D opening seems to be on exactly 11 this week|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|nt|Vugraphzfh: hampson, looking at st: still 4th?|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: chris: that'd be a bad play!|pg|| nt|jkdood: Earlier today there were two aces and @C Qxxxx, I thought they would upgrade, but they passed|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|cT|pg|| pc|dK|pc|s8|pc|d8|pc|h8|pg|| nt|jkdood: A reliable observer points out that this NS pair almost never passes an 11 count|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h7|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|h5|pg|| pg|| qx|o36|st||md|2SK63HKQTDKJ632C43,SA95H87DT94CJT652,ST872HAJ64DACKQ98,SQJ4H9532DQ875CA7|sv|b|mb|p|nt|germs345: well i guess he found 9!|pg|| mb|1C|an|could be 2|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: 9 definitely claimed I checked very carefully|pg|| nt|germs345: happens|pg|| mb|1S|an|no4cM|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|germs345: NS in other room got to 3nt, and same here|pg|| mb|p|nt|germs345: North following the modern trend of opening 1NT with a stiff honor-- also due to the fact that he probably does not have a great way to show that type of hand as they play ...|pg|| nt|germs345: precision in the other room|pg|| nt|germs345: here fleisher opened an ambiguous club and got there|pg|| nt|germs345: the play however is what is interesting|pg|| pc|h2|nt|germs345: he only has 7 sure tricks to start - 4@h 1@c 2@d|pg|| nt|germs345: with J10 of clubs onside he can lead a club to his 8 for the 8th trick|pg|| nt|germs345: he will do well to find a ninth, with the A@s behind the king|pg|| nt|germs345: but a very interesting play problem here for Fleisher|pg|| nt|germs345: he has many endplay possibilities as well|pg|| nt|germs345: the most obvious to me is endplaying west at some point but he must facilitate a way to do that|pg|| pc|hK|nt|germs345: At the other table N received a very favorable Q of spades lead which allowed him to score 2 spade tricks|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s3|nt|germs345: this lead his to a somewhat easy 9 tricks|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|germs345: Fleisher attacking spades... Spades do not lie well here|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|germs345: not dead yet... will set up a spade trick now |pg|| pc|cK|nt|germs345: Oh!|pg|| nt|germs345: now he can hook his club spots|pg|| nt|germs345: however, we will have difficulty with dummy entries|pg|| nt|germs345: Moss does best to take Ace here and clear hearts|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: obviously a tremendous amount of time and thought going into every card|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: i feel frozen in time|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: the director is here now looking as angry as a grown man in a bright pink shirt can look|pg|| nt|germs345: In Nickell Bramley match, Hamman made 3nt on a club lead by west, and Weinstein went down 2 |pg|| nt|germs345: Time troubles?|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|nt|germs345: moss having difficulty working out the hand... might think his partner has j109 of clubs|pg|| nt|germs345: but works out the correct defense|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c7|pg|| nt|germs345: fleisher still has chances|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|d2|pc|d9|pg|| nt|germs345: yes kib points out moss now getting enplayed if fleisher cashes Q of @C|pg|| nt|germs345: Moss could have avoided this, however, if he cashed the Q@s before clearing hearts|pg|| nt|germs345: then there is no hope for declarer|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: there are 58 minutes left in this 130 minute segment|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|d7|pc|s6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|d6|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|dT|mc|9|pg|| qx|c36|st||md|2SK63HKQTDKJ632C43,SA95H87DT94CJT652,ST872HAJ64DACKQ98,SQJ4H9532DQ875CA7|sv|b|mb|p|nt|jkdood: 3N NS here more of a flat spot|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|couchbaron: a spade partscore on 34 in the other room|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|nt|couchbaron: not surprisingly, Moss also opened 1NT with the heart six-bagger|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|Vugraphzfh: yes i would not have bet money against that|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|nt|couchbaron: much more his style than Rosenberg's|pg|| nt|jkdood: So sounds like Fleisher will gain about 3 imps on Bd 34 for spades making|pg|| nt|jkdood: 9 tricks look like an uphill battle here, though N's black suit spots are yummy|pg|| nt|jkdood: Hard for declarer to see all the promise in the club suit this deal, but 2@S 4@H 2@D 1C will do it|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: e-w lead rusinow from 4+, so chris will know the layout of this suit|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: should keep him off losing s9 return|pg|| nt|jkdood: Putting too much stock in a favorable @D position might be regretted|pg|| nt|jkdood: Craig makes an important point; it marks Rosenberg with 2 or 3 spades only|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: exactly 3. 3c was puppet.|pg|| nt|jkdood: Rusinow is lower of touching honors, when you have length (4+ usually)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: (i think)|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| nt|jkdood: Although I have seen 3 treated as "length" by some|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|couchbaron: a heart lead, the transportation suit, might have challenged declarer|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|jkdood: Such subtleties are more headaches than interesting to some, sorry|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|s8|nt|jkdood: And that Bd 34 spade partial position cuts the lead by 2 imps|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: rosenberg will think but that'll end the defense|pg|| nt|jkdood: If East had somehow found inspired @H lead, this might have been a different conclusion|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h2|nt|jkdood: Defense could easily see 2@S 2@D and 1@C develop in some reasonable play variations|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|c8|pc|d7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o37|st||md|3SJ32HAK7D6CQJ7643,SA85HT98532DAQ9C2,SQT74H4DKJT32CAT5,SK96HQJ6D8754CK98|sv|n|nt|germs345: well done by Fleisher to read the position and push the board|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: about 2.5 boards behind pace|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: if my mathematics are still working|pg|| mb|1C|an|could be short|mb|1H|nt|germs345: NS can make 3c here, EW will compete in hearts|pg|| mb|2D|mb|2H|nt|germs345: Hearts by EW will either make 7, 8, or 9 tricks depending on the lead and defense|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|germs345: kib points out 3nt has chances, but with K@C off id say that chance is approaching 0|pg|| nt|germs345: EW bombard in hearts, declarer takes his feable 7 tricks and EW claim|pg|| nt|germs345: might sneak an 8th|pg|| nt|germs345: martel confronted with a problem here|pg|| nt|germs345: 2s looks pretty good|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|nt|germs345: Martel would do well to pass.. one of those hands where EW want to draw trumps, but if they do declarer can establish a long suit|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|germs345: and he does pass, as bathurst backs in with 3@H|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: martel passed instantly; bathurst thought for a while before balancing|pg|| nt|germs345: thanks for clarifying|pg|| nt|germs345: my moneys on -1 and 2 imps to diamond|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: i don't enter the bids until the tray moves; avoids ui from overhearing the computer operator|pg|| pc|h4|nt|germs345: yes very professional|pg|| nt|olien: hello|pg|| nt|germs345: welcome Owen lien|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: speaking of very professional, welcome to OWEN LIEN|pg|| nt|olien: I love the intros :)|pg|| nt|germs345: LOL|pg|| nt|olien: Greg, what happened? I chose you guys to win|pg|| nt|germs345: it all>|pg|| nt|germs345: ?|pg|| nt|olien: no less|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|d4|pg|| nt|germs345: good switch here, and as usual i am wrong|pg|| nt|germs345: oh wait might still be -1|pg|| nt|olien: hard to see this one making|pg|| nt|glenne: all roads seem to lead to down one|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|h7|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|germs345: yes defense cannot set up a spade trick|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|d2|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|olien: @c will not be escaping here|pg|| nt|germs345: so 2 imps to diamond|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| nt|germs345: claim|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c37|st||md|3SJ32HAK7D6CQJ7643,SA85HT98532DAQ9C2,SQT74H4DKJT32CAT5,SK96HQJ6D8754CK98|sv|n|nt|jkdood: So a good result for Diamond; certainly not a likely loss and maybe a pickup|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|jkdood: And now 1@D on TEN :)|pg|| nt|jkdood: South may drive to game, at this VUL|pg|| nt|couchbaron: this ten is better than a lot of elevens I've seen them open!|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|jkdood: John is spot on with that comment. 3N could come home here if found. (No @H lead?)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|hT|nt|jkdood: West will find @H easily, East possibly not|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: eric: sorry if i have the right hand!|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: eric, seeing ha: oops!|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|c5|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|cA|nt|couchbaron: Hampson will be happy to see the club hook lose, Jay|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|h8|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: and to see the hk instead of sk|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| nt|couchbaron: yes|pg|| nt|jkdood: Yes, a benevolent form of masochism|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o38|st||md|4SK84HAQJDA2CAJ432,SAT2HK9853DQT7CQ8,SQJ63H76DJ43C9765,S975HT42DK9865CKT|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1H|nt|olien: I don't know if this shows the declining value of a 2NT opening or what, but every other table opened 2NT on the south hand and every north passed|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|olien: or if, as a junior, I'm responding too aggressively on hands like north's to a 2NT opening|pg|| nt|germs345: i would pass the north hand if i was playing with myself|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: 2Nt is now opened on 17+, with mixed results...|pg|| nt|germs345: newly found preemptive value!|pg|| nt|olien: I have done that. 2NT on 17 (or 16 sometimes) and gone 50 a trick to find opponents cold for 4M|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|cT|pg|| nt|germs345: just yesterday in the 7th octet (I think?) there was a hand where East had a full 20 and got to 4@H and NS make 4!|pg|| nt|germs345: @S|pg|| nt|olien: so, weak 1NT used to be the thing, now strong 1NT with weak 2NT is the thing|pg|| nt|germs345: not the ideal example but its a start!|pg|| nt|germs345: here martel has a nice 19 with a five card suit with aces and tenaces |pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|cK|pg|| nt|germs345: this is extras for me|pg|| nt|olien: it definitely puts a lot of pressure on the opponents when a 2NT opening is typically 18-21|pg|| nt|lrobb98: everyone upgrades, 14 is now the new 15...usually, overall, better results that way, it is a bidder's game|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s8|nt|germs345: Martel probably didnt like the club quality|pg|| nt|olien: of course it hurts you on some hands, but gains on others|pg|| nt|lrobb98: except here and there comes along a set where everything goes down....|pg|| nt|olien: Martel is of the weak 1NT opening group, so doesn't need weak 2NT|pg|| nt|germs345: its good that NS play this 2NT here as natural; many play this type of 2nt as either takeout for the minors or just a competitive hand|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c38|st||md|4SK84HAQJDA2CAJ432,SAT2HK9853DQT7CQ8,SQJ63H76DJ43C9765,S975HT42DK9865CKT|sv|e|nt|jkdood: Another overtrick imp to Fleisher on the dull Bd 35 partscore|pg|| nt|jkdood: So 37 (just played) is one of those "who knows" results|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|couchbaron: on 36 North bid spades on the way to 3N, so a spade may not be led at the other table|pg|| nt|couchbaron: South, I mean|pg|| nt|jkdood: Even without 9s and Ts, South's 19 is one many would upgrade to a 20-21 2N|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: North would have to be very hungry to move at this vul with that hand|pg|| pc|h5|nt|Vugraphzfh: eric thought and passed. michael: how badly do we have to defend for you to bid a game?|pg|| nt|jkdood: A magical @D lead would give declarer fits and gasps|pg|| nt|couchbaron: if declarer can sneak a spade trick he can run for home|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|jkdood: (Is Chris thinking " Ques Que se WE " to Mike's comment?)|pg|| nt|jkdood: Pardon my french, especially my spelling of it|pg|| nt|couchbaron: if chris doesn't fly on a spade up declarer can revert to clubs|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: eric to michael: well if i thought you'd win trick 1...|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|cK|pg|| nt|jkdood: And I though my comment was bold!|pg|| nt|jkdood: And shift to a @D after the spade A would do it perhaps|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: yep. only defense i see.|pg|| nt|couchbaron: yes flying ace and shifting to diamonds|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: if e returns a heart he might make 3 here|pg|| nt|couchbaron: on 36 at the other table Moss did in fact lead a heart, so the play is interesting|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: nm i miscounted his tricks|pg|| nt|jkdood: A big 12 imps to DIamond if declarer fails to appreciate his club spots perhaps (on 36)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: awfully hard to find the winning line single dummy|pg|| nt|couchbaron: on 36 the defenders were on the right path, but Bathurst shifted to the jack of clubs instead of a low one|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: well that changes the odds on the play :)|pg|| nt|couchbaron: now the cause may be hopeless|pg|| nt|jkdood: The hand here could start 1@C - 1@H - - -> 2N, and maybe a @D lead would be found then in the replay. Leads seem swingy this set.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: this partscore hand has taken around 15min so far, which gives you an idea of how hard these guys fight|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: eric just called a director to complain about "monumental tanks"|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dT|nt|jkdood: The frivolity - if there was much - drops away when this occurs. But it is an issue this week.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h8|pc|c7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s9|pc|cJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c4|pc|h9|pc|s6|pc|h2|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o39|st||md|1SQ754HJT6DJ97C543,SK983H85DKT865C96,SAH9743DQ432CAJ82,SJT62HAKQ2DACKQT7|sv|b|nt|olien: yes|pg|| nt|olien: may have lost a swing otherwise|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: after a couple minutes thinking martel faces his hand for 8|pg|| nt|germs345: this convention is called good bad 2nt|pg|| nt|olien: LOL|pg|| nt|olien: very professional|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: well we are almost 3 boards behind pace|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|olien: and another 2NT special |pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|germs345: Im alling this USBC the stiff honor revolution|pg|| nt|germs345: calling|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: "stiff honor revolution" was my band's name in high school|pg|| nt|olien: stiff A is worth at least 5 points. especially at notrumps|pg|| mb|p|nt|germs345: everyone is just opening 2nt, 1nt with stiff kings and Ace|pg|| nt|germs345: s|pg|| pc|d7|nt|germs345: lol owen|pg|| nt|germs345: and greg|pg|| nt|olien: surprised your band wasn't called "the stiffys"|pg|| nt|germs345: East does have a pretty nice hand for spades |pg|| nt|lrobb98: He does have 2 10's....but 4 by 1's are not great unless you have a major fit...like here....|pg|| nt|olien: exactly|pg|| nt|olien: 4441 is called the balanced hand of unbalanced hands for a reason|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dA|pg|| nt|olien: as it has no long suit to develop for extra tricks|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sA|pg|| nt|germs345: moss will take 10 tricks here|pg|| nt|lrobb98: South's dia spots are pickled here...|pg|| nt|germs345: maybe 11|pg|| nt|olien: the 4-1 trumps split may challenge his ability to take 11 tricks|pg|| nt|germs345: but the ace of clubs is onsie|pg|| nt|germs345: my moneys on 11|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: sorry, zach, double zero. House wins.|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| nt|lrobb98: were leading with 1 round to go actually.....|pg|| nt|olien: ouch|pg|| nt|olien: did not realize that|pg|| nt|germs345: im missing something what are we talking about|pg|| nt|germs345: moss will hook a spade and lead a club up|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: zach you're fired|pg|| nt|olien: Larry and I were talking about how he and Jerry Goldfein (dad of Dan Goldfein who used to play juniors) almost won the LM pairs in Chicago in 2006|pg|| nt|germs345: see how was i suppose to know that Greg!?|pg|| pc|s2|nt|lrobb98: Brad does not know the A of clubs is onside, always easy looking at all 4....|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|nt|germs345: north not enjoying this|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|germs345: wel now moss has 4 heart tricks|pg|| nt|lrobb98: better hand at BAM or MPs.....N is under pressure in all 3 suits....|pg|| nt|germs345: now he can ruff a diamond with the 10, re hook spades, and pitch 2 diamonds on the Q and 2 of hearts|pg|| nt|germs345: and surrender a club|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: definitely feels likeN/S are getting frustrated with the pace. I remain neutral.|pg|| nt|germs345: hes pretty safe for 4 surprised hes not trying to catch up|pg|| nt|olien: he's afraid @cAJ are offside and @hs aren't running|pg|| nt|germs345: he can safely follow the line i just gave|pg|| nt|germs345: that is a 10 trick claim|pg|| nt|germs345: and eleven when @h break|pg|| nt|olien: I agree with Greg regarding time pressure. I think that time should be a non-issue once the knockout stage is reached. Wonder what Edgar would have to say about that|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| nt|germs345: alright this will go quick now|pg|| nt|germs345: he will take 11|pg|| nt|olien: lol, as he goes back in the tank|pg|| nt|olien: nice timing Zachary|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hJ|nt|Vugraphzfd: director ahas returned again looking angry and pink|pg|| nt|germs345: yeah i mean on the topic of time pressure i mean its not like people have big plans after the session is over|pg|| nt|germs345: its pointless|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: a lot of the local restaurants close around 10pm so....|pg|| nt|germs345: not hot dates at one AM... this isnt owen lien were talking about|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: hiyo|pg|| nt|germs345: (6,000 mile away fist bump)|pg|| nt|olien: Greg, don't tell people our secret|pg|| pc|d5|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|s5|pc|s9|nt|germs345: almost there|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|germs345: home stretch|pg|| nt|olien: ok Justin Timberlake|pg|| pc|sK|nt|germs345: funny that i dont even get that|pg|| nt|olien: lol, watch "bad teacher"|pg|| nt|germs345: oh wait yeah i do|pg|| pc|d4|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dQ|nt|germs345: what a classy movie|pg|| nt|olien: and boom, there goes the 11th trick|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c9|nt|olien: and its back|pg|| mc|11|nt|germs345: so one imp many angry letters to diamond|pg|| nt|germs345: and|pg|| pg|| qx|c39|st||md|1SQ754HJT6DJ97C543,SK983H85DKT865C96,SAH9743DQ432CAJ82,SJT62HAKQ2DACKQT7|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfh: yes. if a player gets unlimited time he's just playing a different event.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: N will open 11 again; else we might see if East likes 2NT for an opening|pg|| nt|couchbaron: the 3N on 36 is still going on at the other table, thrust and parry|pg|| mb|1D|mb|d|nt|couchbaron: Moss missed a sure set, now Fleischer has to read the position to make|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h4|nt|couchbaron: Fleischer got it right for a difficult push|pg|| nt|jkdood: Putting thoughtful Moss and Rosenberg at the same table creates hovering directors; this alignment somewhat better|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: fleisher had seeding rights this eighth|pg|| nt|jkdood: 4@S seems safe here EW|pg|| nt|couchbaron: yes the 4-1 break will only be a minor inconvenience|pg|| nt|jkdood: I wonder how much time problem alignments figure into seating choices when seed is ON|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: i believe no penalties have been imposed this week|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: only penalty i know of was for a misexplanation|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|jkdood: Probably might have been though; directors have hovered a-plenty we hear|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|d2|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: yep|pg|| nt|jkdood: They don't like having their nap time diminished :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: happy hour ends at 6:30 here|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s8|nt|Vugraphzfh: joking ofc|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: it actually ends at 7:30|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: no one will make it:)|pg|| nt|jkdood: If you saw the thick tree pollen back East Craig; i would be Happy 24-hour there!|pg|| nt|jkdood: "it" would be|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: it's true i haven't needed a claritin(tm) all week|pg|| nt|jkdood: Just bought another bottle yesterday, $31.00 !!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: 49min for 6 boards, so despite the slow play this table is in ok shape|pg|| nt|jkdood: Nothing to the play on this deal folks; so filling in the gaps with banter|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: this is why pepsi brings a book|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|sK|nt|jkdood: The clubs are just oh so sweet in the layout|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| nt|jkdood: And Jacqui Mitchell her newspaper and knitting|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h2|pc|d7|pc|dK|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|cT|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o40|st||md|2S54HAJ52DKT6CK852,SAKJ983HK64D75CA4,ST76HT987D93CQT73,SQ2HQ3DAQJ842CJ96|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|p|nt|olien: an apology from me|pg|| nt|germs345: strong club here by bathurst|pg|| mb|2D|nt|olien: 2@d 12+ with diamonds|pg|| mb|p|nt|olien: and the auction will proceed naturally from here|pg|| mb|2S|nt|germs345: mundane 4s if they can get there promptly|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|germs345: once again 10-11 tricks|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: somewhat heated exchange between director and players about time|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|olien: and a smooth auction|pg|| nt|germs345: what is the exact penalty...|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|germs345: i mean do they assess blame... or penalize both or what|pg|| pc|hT|nt|germs345: trump lead was best probs|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: unclear -- your'e not allowed t takealot of time for overticks|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|olien: do we really want some team that isn't the strongest representative going to the world championships to represent us as a result of time penalties. |pg|| nt|germs345: south could duck a diamond and give declarer a headache|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Assuming dummy has strong diamonds, is a club or a H better from the N hand on opening lead??|pg|| nt|germs345: trump lead is probably the only way to threaten declarer|pg|| nt|lrobb98: club is more aggressive, H a bit passive.....|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|germs345: here he can safely ruff out a heart|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|s2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|c6|nt|germs345: he will take 10 tricks at this pt|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|d2|pc|s5|pg|| nt|germs345: so one imp back to fleisher|pg|| nt|olien: and the 1 imp is back|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|nt|Henryb: Owen. The WBF is very strict on time, allows slightly less than the US, and does impose fairly draconian penalties|pg|| pc|d4|pc|c5|pg|| nt|olien: maybe he would've taken more time if he had it|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h9|pc|d8|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|mc|10|nt|Henryb: so yes,, we do want the teams we send to be able to play in tempo|pg|| pg|| qx|c40|st||md|2S54HAJ52DKT6CK852,SAKJ983HK64D75CA4,ST76HT987D93CQT73,SQ2HQ3DAQJ842CJ96|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfh: chris is lamenting his line of play, but there was no way to go wrong|pg|| nt|jkdood: 1N for West? lol|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: too good|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|jkdood: razzzzzzzzzzzzzz|pg|| nt|couchbaron: yes he ended up needing more things to go right than he should have|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|jkdood: I'll bet you a quarter Craig both tables will do it.|pg|| mb|2N|nt|Vugraphzfh: sorry! misclicked|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|jkdood: Double!|pg|| mb|3S|nt|Vugraphzfh: really posted auction is right now|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfh: 3h showed 6 spades|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: without a solid suit|pg|| nt|jkdood: And 4@S is easy to make here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: 2h was artificial but not sure in what way|pg|| pc|hT|nt|Vugraphzfh: 6s on finesse|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|jkdood: Ducking @D K could make life interesting for specs in some variations here|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| nt|jkdood: Lets say win this and play a club|pg|| nt|couchbaron: a trump lead would have made declarer's line trickier|pg|| nt|couchbaron: then a duck of the diamond king could really be effective|pg|| nt|jkdood: Not knowing where the @H ace is adds to that thought|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: he would decline to refinesse and take 6s 1h 2d 1c|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|nt|couchbaron: yes, sorry, miscounted there|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: could work at MP|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|nt|couchbaron: although people have gone down playing for uptricks, even at IMPs :)|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|d2|nt|jkdood: Such a play by South needs to be in tempo to be possibly effective of course; really hard in practice|pg|| nt|couchbaron: true but South will likely be prepared by the time the actual play rolls around|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|d7|nt|jkdood: Specs rooting for an in tempo duck here developing|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|nt|Vugraphzfh: too late|pg|| nt|couchbaron: other table is catching up a little now|pg|| nt|jkdood: Is South really tanking Craig?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: yes|pg|| nt|couchbaron: surprising|pg|| nt|couchbaron: still does best to duck|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: i only psych once per board|pg|| nt|jkdood: Once saw Marty Bergen tank at trick 3 about stiffing offside K at trick 10; declarer sniffed it out|pg|| nt|jkdood: That's all we allow in this club, Craig :)|pg|| pc|dK|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o41|st||md|3SAT742HQ83DAJCAJ6,SKQ65HT6DQT7432C8,SJ93HA954DK6CK743,S8HKJ72D985CQT952|sv|e|nt|lrobb98: at MPs, W might hook the dia, smooth duck by S, then..do you re-hook??..|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: 20 minutse remain on the clock|pg|| mb|1C|an|could be 2|mb|p|nt|germs345: 4s here doomed by the turrrible trump break|pg|| mb|1H|an|spades|mb|p|nt|germs345: yes becomes a play problem at mps|pg|| mb|1S|an|weak notrump11-13|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: any balanced hand(other than 1NT) is opened with a club.....|pg|| mb|2C|an|relay to 2!d|nt|olien: 1@s shows a weak NT|pg|| nt|olien: and south is puppeting to 2@d|pg|| nt|olien: to offer between 3NT and 4@s with 5(332)|pg|| nt|germs345: and will offer a choice of games|pg|| nt|olien: north may pass with 3-card @s support|pg|| nt|germs345: fleisher will in all likelyhood go back to spades|pg|| nt|olien: most likely with the potential ruffing value in @ds|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|an|forced|mb|p|mb|3N!|an|choice of games|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|germs345: Kib points out that this may play better from north, and to that i say: probably!|pg|| nt|olien: does this have any play from the opposite side on a @h lead?|pg|| pc|c9|nt|lrobb98: This auction is presumably slightly different than if he had bid 2d over 1 spade, then 3NT....|pg|| nt|germs345: good lead by moss will probably lead to the same result|pg|| nt|germs345: however|pg|| nt|olien: right, I believe 2@d for them would be a transfer showing 5+@s 4+@h|pg|| nt|olien: but not certain|pg|| nt|lrobb98: they play Rusinow leads, which are an advantage vs. NT...|pg|| nt|olien: but if 2@d were artificial GF, not sure|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cK|pg|| nt|kevsters: when E gets in with KH he may have to guess whether a partner has KD or stiff club, although KD isn't going anywhere seems like|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|nt|lrobb98: from 109xx they would still lead the 9, so Marty does not know where the Q is....yet....|pg|| pc|sT|nt|olien: can also be an advantage vs suits. If say KQ is held doubleton, and partner needs to overtake the 2nd one to deliver the ruff. and if not, the losing trick in that suit ...|pg|| nt|olien: disappears is the most common situation|pg|| pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hT|nt|olien: however, some pairs still lead lower from holdings such as KQ or QJ doubletons when playing rusinow|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|cT|nt|germs345: this is down|pg|| nt|lrobb98: He had a guess, does Kevin have a stiff or a doub H|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: fleisher looked extremely surprised at the @ct discard|pg|| nt|lrobb98: tuff to say what the right play was on the H10 lead.....|pg|| nt|germs345: yes he was suprised that Bathurst played honestly in trumps|pg|| nt|olien: well, he was "cold" presuming that trumps were now going to play for no more losers|pg|| nt|olien: and that the @hK was with Moss|pg|| nt|olien: considering the return|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: 10 minutes now|pg|| nt|germs345: moss just cant play a @d|pg|| nt|germs345: which is ironic|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|s5|nt|olien: lol|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|olien: I wasn't sure if he had played a @h or @d|pg|| nt|olien: based on the Q@d|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c41|st||md|3SAT742HQ83DAJCAJ6,SKQ65HT6DQT7432C8,SJ93HA954DK6CK743,S8HKJ72D985CQT952|sv|e|nt|couchbaron: ducking would have saved the overtrick, of course|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|jkdood: So North has 1D, 11? What a surprise!|pg|| nt|jkdood: South has the goods however|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|couchbaron: hahaha|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c8|nt|couchbaron: bathurst declaring 4S on 39 at the other table|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d9|pg|| nt|jkdood: Tricky hand with the @C lead|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: chris really put in dr|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: d4|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s8|nt|couchbaron: excuse me, moss is declaring from the other side|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: afraid q would be read as suit pref i think|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hT|nt|jkdood: So defense will prevail here it appears|pg|| nt|jkdood: @HK, a @c ruff, and a high @S still coming to EW|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d8|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|s6|pc|c4|pc|c5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o42|st||md|4SAQ53HAQ76DAQJ8C5,SJ62HJ98DT975CK72,SK84HKT53D643CT96,ST97H42DK2CAQJ843|sv|b|nt|germs345: okay another push|pg|| nt|lrobb98: At this point, as declarer, you feel sick..it is now hard to concentrate on the next board...|pg|| mb|1D|an|could be 2|mb|d|mb|p|nt|germs345: he could never ACTUALLY make it|pg|| nt|germs345: after the club lead|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Very few players can just forget about a hand where they could have made it, and just buckle up and concentrate 100% on the next hand...|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|nt|germs345: so not that sick|pg|| nt|germs345: he coulda given his p a club ruff..|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|germs345: this is a good slam for me|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|nt|germs345: because it makes|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|nt|olien: Greg, have you applied for an Academy Award for vugraph operation?|pg|| nt|germs345: very fortuitous lie of the cards for NS|pg|| nt|germs345: will have no troubles|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: yeah the academy asked me to please stop writing them|pg|| nt|lrobb98: mildly sick??|pg|| nt|germs345: and the lead will help with their time issue|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: something about a "restraining order"|pg|| pc|dA|nt|germs345: ahahahah |pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|nt|olien: the 1@d opener or the non-2@c opener or the lead, Larry?|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|c3|pg|| nt|lrobb98: they need some quick hands.....|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dJ|mc|12|pg|| qx|c42|st||md|4SAQ53HAQ76DAQJ8C5,SJ62HJ98DT975CK72,SK84HKT53D643CT96,ST97H42DK2CAQJ843|sv|b|mb|1C|nt|jkdood: 6@H NS makes here on a finesse in @D; won't be bid|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|jkdood: Is 1@C a real stretch, or am I just getting way too old?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfh: that's become standard at this level|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: if partner bids a 12pt 3nt it'll prob be worthwhile|pg|| pc|sT|nt|jkdood: Friendly hand NS in all dimensions here|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|hT|mc|12|pg|| qx|o43|st||md|1S95HJ9732DJ76CK92,SAQJ2HKQ5DTCQ7653,SK76HT64DK832CAJT,ST843HA8DAQ954C84|sv|o|nt|germs345: this isnt a fast one|pg|| mb|p|nt|lrobb98: its always tough, with the director hanging around, looking at his watch.....|pg|| mb|2D!|an|3 suiter short in !d|mb|p|nt|olien: 2@d showing 11-15 with short @ds|pg|| nt|olien: either 4414, 4405, or (43)15|pg|| nt|germs345: the semi mini roman|pg|| mb|2S!|an|to play (but pd is allowed to raise)|nt|lrobb98: mini semi Roman.....|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Henryb: we classicists call it the "Precision 2@d"|pg|| nt|olien: I call it the way to go minus|pg|| pc|s9|nt|germs345: and a somewhat conservative view, though reasonable, by Moss will garner a 6 imp loss|pg|| nt|olien: and I frequently play precision|pg|| nt|lrobb98: Should Kevin raise??..how about if he was vul??|pg|| nt|germs345: he would vul|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| nt|germs345: and moss would make a game try vul|pg|| pc|s6|nt|lrobb98: yes....|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg|| nt|olien: standard lead against a 3-suited hand|pg|| pc|c4|nt|olien: trumps|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|h3|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c9|pg|| nt|germs345: the semini roman, that is now copyrighted BTW, works very well when u hit p witha 5 card major and some small diamonds|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|d4|pc|h9|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|mc|10|pg|| qx|c43|st||md|1S95HJ9732DJ76CK92,SAQJ2HKQ5DTCQ7653,SK76HT64DK832CAJT,ST843HA8DAQ954C84|sv|o|nt|jkdood: The 1@C opening didn't really figure in to the bidding; just a lucky layout|pg|| nt|couchbaron: moss picks up an imp for an overtrick on 39|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|jkdood: Some reliable specs think the "aggressive" Martel-Fleisher partnership might sniff at it, but unlikely|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h4|nt|jkdood: The lead here is helpful to declarer's prospects|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: still a lot of work to do, but that's for sure|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| nt|jkdood: Pitch a club on third heart and maybe crossruff a bit|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|jkdood: Suits break very well for that|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: good play by declarer--they prob won't return a c and this helps his entries immensely |pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|c8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c3|nt|jkdood: After Bd 45 there will be a break; and then we will pickup in 20 minutes or so.|pg|| pc|cT|pc|s3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|s2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|s8|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|sJ|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c5|nt|jkdood: And a good make for the Fleisher team here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: may make 5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|sT|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s9|pc|c7|pc|s6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o44|st||md|2SKT3HJ65DQT86CQ43,S9864HQ984DJ3CAK5,S52HAK72DA72CJT72,SAQJ7HT3DK954C986|sv|n|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfd: play moving frantically fast now like a sped-up movie|pg|| mb|1C|an|couldbe short|mb|1S|nt|olien: was dangerous for east to make a game try as he may have been facing a 3415 minimum|pg|| mb|1N|nt|lrobb98: 4 card overcalls often are effective....|pg|| mb|2C|an|good spade raise|nt|germs345: here being a prime example|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|nt|olien: especially non-vul|pg|| nt|germs345: EW will do decently well in spades|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|germs345: with their counterparts failing to compete i expect 6 imps back to diamond|pg|| mb|p|pc|d8|nt|germs345: my moneys on 110, but 140 is certainly possible|pg|| nt|germs345: both 6 imps though|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|germs345: lead favorable for moss|pg|| nt|lrobb98: need to track clubs....|pg|| nt|germs345: will attack hearts asap if opps go after trumps|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|lrobb98: many(?most) low level contracts, you just don't want to give away tricks by opening suits..but here....|pg|| nt|germs345: good play by fleisher could now even threaten the contract|pg|| nt|germs345: (threatening the 10 of spades uppercut)|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c8|pg|| nt|germs345: moss attacking trumps here was necessary to preserve his plus score|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|s9|pc|d2|pg|| nt|germs345: which no longer exists|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|s8|nt|germs345: now the defense will take 6 tricks--- had to draw trups and play on hearts for his 8th|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h6|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|c5|pg|| nt|germs345: fleisher will cash AK and give partener his uppercut|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|mc|7|pg|| qx|c44|st||md|2SKT3HJ65DQT86CQ43,S9864HQ984DJ3CAK5,S52HAK72DA72CJT72,SAQJ7HT3DK954C986|sv|n|nt|jkdood: Thanks to our great VU op Craig for efforts and comments; also to John Ramos and others for commentary|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|jkdood: A max for N (12 versus 10-11)?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|jkdood: EW might make 2@S if they found a way in|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: well played set, only major swing was 3n/3d-x|pg|| nt|jkdood: I personally like 1@S by East on 4 with that hand|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d2|nt|jkdood: And NS will make 1N here - as is often the case (both sides making)|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| nt|couchbaron: defense on 41 being replicated in the other room|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|d9|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o45|st||md|3SJ654HKQJ6DQ3CAT4,SAT8HT954DA94CQ65,S732HA872D52CJ973,SKQ9H3DKJT876CK82|sv|b|nt|germs345: so 2 imps to diamond|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1S|an|no major|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|danmathies: 10 mins over time|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|lrobb98: too strong to pass Kevin's hand....|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|germs345: oh here we go|pg|| nt|germs345: EW are off the first 5 tricks in 3nt|pg|| nt|germs345: and must stay in 4D to preserve a plus|pg|| nt|germs345: where moss will have to guess the @Ds|pg|| nt|lrobb98: yes..and likely(possibly) to go wrong in diamonds...4d depends upon the d guess..after a TO X, or an overcall, this comes up often: finesse or the drop???|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|germs345: so EW getting confused|pg|| nt|germs345: and too high|pg|| pc|hK|nt|germs345: whereas 3NT has a chance if north fails to lead a heart, which could happen, 5@d has almost no play|pg|| pc|h4|nt|lrobb98: I admit I would have bid 3NT over 3 spades; 3 spades was a tad aggressive....but.....it is a bidders game....|pg|| nt|germs345: so i am told but the crowd that Hamman was set on a club lead|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| nt|germs345: meckwell doing well to grab ace and shift to hearts to score their 5 tricks|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|d6|pg|| nt|germs345: and now im told it was the other way around|pg|| nt|germs345: my apologies|pg|| nt|germs345: hamman found the nice defense|pg|| nt|danmathies: opposite-hamman won club and shifted to h|pg|| nt|germs345: credit where credits due|pg|| nt|lrobb98: My last hand like this, I hooked for the Q, losing to doubleton Q..what will happen here....is Xer or overcaller more likely to have the Q for his points, or to have a stiff...age-old question....|pg|| nt|germs345: so this will get dragged out|pg|| nt|germs345: and will end in -1|pg|| nt|germs345: or -2, probs more likely|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: n/s lead K from AK|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d3|nt|danmathies: any penalty for slow play|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|germs345: so -1 it is|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: one more session after this one|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: no idea baout time penalties|pg|| nt|germs345: he has a chance here if south has 5 clubs to the ace and it gets blocked|pg|| nt|danmathies: 20 min over|pg|| nt|olien: how long until the next segment?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: not sure -- was supposed to start 7 mins ago|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: so we're over time and over break time|pg|| pc|d7|nt|germs345: but moss probably should have preserved this chance by ruffing a heart when he was in dummy|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d9|pc|c3|pg|| nt|germs345: hes gonna try for some pseudo squeeze|pg|| nt|germs345: 6 imps for fleisher who had a nice set to tighten the gap|pg|| nt|germs345: could be legit on other layouts but not this one|pg|| nt|olien: and may be more in time penalties depending on how things are adjudicated|pg|| nt|germs345: thats true and if the time penalties are going anywhere its moss and bathurst|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h8|pc|d8|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| mc|10|nt|germs345: ok see you soon!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: players bolt from the room|pg|| nt|germs345: lol|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: 10 minutes announced|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: until next round.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfd: see you all then|pg|| pg|| qx|c45|st||md|3SJ654HKQJ6DQ3CAT4,SAT8HT954DA94CQ65,S732HA872D52CJ973,SKQ9H3DKJT876CK82|sv|b|nt|jkdood: Last board now of set, back after a break. Thanks to USBF and Jan and team, and of course BBO and all the helpful specs!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: last board. thanks too all our great commentators!|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfh: n-s spared the task of finding the first 5 tricks, only way to beat 3nt|pg|| pc|hK|nt|jkdood: And no 3N here, so making 9 or 10 tricks in @ds is par|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| nt|couchbaron: other table is 4 boards back, they may not get a break|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: there are certainly ways to go wrong with n on lead|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|d7|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|d8|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|nt|jkdood: True as Craig said; if @ds are guessed your one chance to beat 3N ism opening lead only|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cJ|pg|| mc|10|nt|Vugraphzfh: good play by michael to avoid having to guess the trumps|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfh: see y'all tonight!|pg|| nt|couchbaron: Debbie Rosenberg points out that the Fleischer team, with five, is sure to have to play someone from the other table without a break|pg|| nt|couchbaron: The six-handed Diamond have the option of not playing Bathurst-Moss|pg|| nt|couchbaron: game missed on 43 by Moss and Bathurst, so a swing is coming Fleischer's way|pg|| pg||