vg|41st WBTC-BBO3-BB,RR6,I,17,32,MONACO,0,EGYPT,0| rs|4HS-1,3SW-1,2SN=,4SN-2,3NE-2,3DE=,3NS+3,3NS+3,4DE+1,4DE+1,5DE=,3NW+1,2HN=,1NN-1,5CNx=,4SE-2,,2SS+2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,| pn|NUNES,SADEK,FANTONI,NABIL,SAMIR,ZIMMERMANN,NOSHY,MULTON|pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3SKT7HKJ64DKJ2CAQ3,SAQJ96H9D874CKJT8,S5HQT875DA65C9642,S8432HA32DQT93C75|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|nt|iverson200: hi|pg|| nt|iverson200: hi all, welcome back|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|d|nt|iverson200: The updated score after 5 rounds is here http://www.worldbridge.org/repository/tourn/bali.13/microsite/Asp/RoundTeams.asp?qtournid=980&qroundno=5|pg|| mb|2S|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bt: hi everyone|pg|| nt|caruga: hi|pg|| nt|iverson200: Monaco is currently ranked 9th out of 22, while Egypt 18th|pg|| pc|h9|nt|iverson200: hi|pg|| nt|bt: there is a potential endplay here where in the end south can run the 9 of clubs to endplay west|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|h4|pc|s6|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|c2|pg|| nt|iverson200: wd by E in returning the @c and breaking the set up of an end play, since @c TJK are all with W|pg|| nt|bt: exactly|pg|| nt|bt: well defended|pg|| nt|bt: the low spade discard might me a suit preference of sorts|pg|| nt|gsper: Hi all|pg|| nt|iverson200: hi|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg|| nt|gsper: One of the more understandable Fantunes auctions, it seems|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|d5|pc|s3|nt|iverson200: current scores after 5 rounds http://www.worldbridge.org/repository/tourn/bali.13/microsite/Asp/RoundTeams.asp?qtournid=980&qroundno=5|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| pc|hK|nt|iverson200: running scores http://www.worldbridge.org/repository/tourn/bali.13/microsite/RunningScores/Asp/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=980|pg|| nt|gsper: I suppose you all know that CCs are available if you click on a player name.|pg|| nt|gsper: At least in the web interface.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|h5|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|c8|pc|hQ|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| mc|9|nt|bt: well done ew|pg|| nt|iverson200: W cashes @s A and passively waits for the setting trick @c K|pg|| pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3SKT7HKJ64DKJ2CAQ3,SAQJ96H9D874CKJT8,S5HQT875DA65C9642,S8432HA32DQT93C75|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h9|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|s6|pc|hT|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|h6|pc|s9|pc|h8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|s2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h7|pc|s4|pc|sT|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SK43HQ2DAJ75CAQ96,S9652H84D42CK8432,SQJT8H653DKQ93CJT,SA7HAKJT97DT86C75|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|gsper: Anybody who would bid more than 1@S?|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|iverson200: possibly|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| nt|bt: a jump to 2@S is what I consider normal, but it depends on the style of the D|pg|| pc|c7|nt|iverson200: Any game is doomed despite 25HCP that NS have, so they did well here to stay low|pg|| nt|gsper: A bit of Blue Team tradition, I suppose. They made lots of offshape t/o doubles...|pg|| nt|gsper: so responder could not take support for granted.|pg|| nt|iverson200: yes, that is why probably 1@s will have a higher upper limit|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sQ|nt|bt: in the other room north did bid to 4@S and this is a potential pickup for ns|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|bt: north jumped to 2@S :)|pg|| nt|iverson200: wd FN here to stay low|pg|| nt|gsper: Very unusual for that pair to stay out of game with 25.|pg|| nt|bt: sometimes Qx is 2 points, and sometimes it is much less :)|pg|| nt|iverson200: playing in a Moysian fit is never easy and normally the deal takes much longer when declarer is in a 4-4 fit or better|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|sK|pc|d2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sT|nt|gsper: Hi, Hedy!|pg|| nt|iverson200: 8 tricks and a plus score is very good for NS here :)|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SK43HQ2DAJ75CAQ96,S9652H84D42CK8432,SQJT8H653DKQ93CJT,SA7HAKJT97DT86C75|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|sK|pc|c2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|hT|pc|d5|pc|c3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h7|pc|d7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1ST93H9754DACAQJ98,SKJ874HA32DQJTCT3,SA652HJT86D765C76,SQHKQDK98432CK542|sv|e|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|diana_eva: Welcome Hedy :) Hedy Grey and Ralf Wilquist on voice commentary. Kibs, pls use the web version to listen to voice. www.bridgebase.com (then click Play Bridge Now to log in) |pg|| mb|p|nt|gsper: I suppose you all know this is 10-13 unbalanced|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|nt|bt: ew bids a pushy game and south just wonders wat club to lead|pg|| nt|bt: 9 or 8 would have been bad ;)|pg|| nt|iverson200: and he will be delighted to see T3 in dummy|pg|| nt|iverson200: exactly:)|pg|| nt|gsper: NS play Slawinski leads, but I don't know what that means with this combination|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|nt|timb: Ben, do opponent's tend to overcompete against the Fantoni twos? (sort of like the did against the Moscito auction 1@H opening and a raise to 2@H?)|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d7|pg|| pc|cA|nt|bt: there are rules and then there is a bidding to consider, cant alway lead a system card|pg|| pc|h2|pc|s2|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s4|pc|d6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c8|pc|h3|pc|d5|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|d2|pg|| mc|7|nt|bt: ew in the other room did well do bid 3@D|pg|| nt|gsper: Slawinski leads is 3/5 with an honour, 2/4 without, but that is as far as I know|pg|| nt|bt: good competitive bidding by monaco has earned them 2x7 imps|pg|| pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1ST93H9754DACAQJ98,SKJ874HA32DQJTCT3,SA652HJT86D765C76,SQHKQDK98432CK542|sv|e|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c9|pc|dT|pc|s6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c8|pc|dQ|pc|s2|pc|cK|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SAKHKJ9DK7CQJ8765,SQJ98743H43DA8C32,S62HAQ652DJT5CKT9,ST5HT87DQ96432CA4|sv|b|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|iverson200: @d A might beat 3NT here|pg|| nt|bt: bidding obvious and noone would lead @DA here|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|iverson200: but u cant see all hands...|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sA|pg|| nt|timb: One of my favourite partners of years ago, the late Jeff Lathbury, nearly went balistic if partner preempted with a side ace|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sK|mc|12|nt|timb: and a "swan" argues for a pass as well|pg|| nt|bt: the 7222?|pg|| pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SAKHKJ9DK7CQJ8765,SQJ98743H43DA8C32,S62HAQ652DJT5CKT9,ST5HT87DQ96432CA4|sv|b|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|d2|pc|cJ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cQ|mc|12|pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SKQ5H953DA7CK9852,SAJ42HA4DK843CAJ4,ST9763HKQ72DJCT73,S8HJT86DQT9652CQ6|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|d|nt|gsper: 12-14, often offshape|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|timb: reese dubbed a 7222 a "swan"|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|gsper: I think 2@H is transfer|pg|| nt|timb: 7222s play about a 1/4 trick worse than the 7-card suit suggests |pg|| mb|3N|nt|bt: west hand is pretty good opposite long diamonds, i like his 3NT|pg|| nt|bt: good evaluation|pg|| mb|d|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bt: 7222 with Qx in the side suits is good, will get all the queens on defence ;)|pg|| pc|sK|nt|bt: i dont know why east corrected, he had his bids|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s8|pg|| nt|bt: pass then 3@D is perfekt|pg|| nt|gsper: The most comprehensive, though not absolutely up to date..|pg|| nt|gsper: of NS system is http://www.bridgewithdan.com/systems/Fantoni_Nunes.txt|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|bt: some would bid 3@D immediately and then feel guilty ;)|pg|| pc|c2|nt|timb: hard for East to stick 3NT; double got them out of a making 3NT|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|bt: well, considering the initial pass and the pass over 2@H, how much can he have?|pg|| mc|11|nt|bt: his upper range was well known|pg|| nt|timb: exactly - I would have stuck 3NT, but then I can see all 4 hands|pg|| nt|gsper: There is of course also a book by Jacobs, but that is his somewhat simplified version|pg|| nt|bt: there is the (in)famous doubtshowing RD |pg|| pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SKQ5H953DA7CK9852,SAJ42HA4DK843CAJ4,ST9763HKQ72DJCT73,S8HJT86DQT9652CQ6|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h9|mc|11|pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4SJ743HQ85DJ3CJ854,S82HAJ943D986CK92,SQTHKT72DQ5CAQT73,SAK965H6DAKT742C6|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|2C|mb|2S|nt|bt: nice east hand here, and getting to bid suits naturally, wjhat a relief :)|pg|| mb|4C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|gsper: Hi, Ralf!|pg|| nt|bt: south is saying, "Guys you have something high here"|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bt: maybe he will get them to 6@D by force|pg|| pc|c8|nt|bt: no, they chose well|pg|| nt|bt: so the superior 5@D will lose an imp to 3NT at the other table|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|bt: so there will be a spade loser at the end, good bidding by egypt, 1 imp loss, thats life ;)|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|nt|bt: running scores are here: http://www.worldbridge.org/repository/tourn/bali.13/microsite/RunningScores/Asp/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=980|pg|| pc|d9|pc|c3|pg|| mc|11|nt|bt: hope we will see some surprises at the end|pg|| nt|bt: Go Japan! :)|pg|| nt|bt: or Vamos Argentine|pg|| pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4SJ743HQ85DJ3CJ854,S82HAJ943D986CK92,SQTHKT72DQ5CAQT73,SAK965H6DAKT742C6|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2C|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|dT|pc|c8|pc|d9|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c5|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d2|pc|h5|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1SQTHAT763DK97CJ84,S9852HKJ42DT8CAQ9,SK6HQ9DAQ32CK7632,SAJ743H85DJ654CT5|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|gsper: S had the points but not the distribution for 2@H opening|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bt: the weak 1nt possibly offshape|pg|| pc|cT|nt|gsper: Quite frequently|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cK|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| nt|gsper: A 1@C opening was possible, but very minimum|pg|| nt|bt: there is a trend in opening nt within the point range (or close to) by a lot of players|pg|| nt|bt: disregarding the balanced criteria|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|nt|gsper: In this case it is not really offshape; the system is like that|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| nt|bt: i know, but if you make a note of the nt openings here you will see that trend|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h8|nt|gsper: indeed|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|s3|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|nt|gsper: Especially with teammates Hel-Hel|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c6|mc|8|nt|timb: in Melbourne in the1970s my group played a weak (12-14) 1NT and initially opened 1NT on almost any balanced or semi-balanced hand; we found opening on the semi-balanced hands cost ...|pg|| nt|timb: us over time|pg|| pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1SQTHAT763DK97CJ84,S9852HKJ42DT8CAQ9,SK6HQ9DAQ32CK7632,SAJ743H85DJ654CT5|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|d7|pc|s9|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s7|pc|c4|pc|s5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|h6|pc|d8|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2S7HKQT76DAK4CT972,SKJ92H2DQT96532C4,SQT6H83D87CAKJ853,SA8543HAJ954DJCQ6|sv|o|mb|p|mb|2C|nt|timb: of course we were not (and never have been) in the Fantoni class of player|pg|| nt|bt: 5422 is in nt already, 5431 is getting there ;)|pg|| mb|p|nt|bt: the 8-12 variant 2@C|pg|| mb|2D|nt|gsper: Perhaps you had not integrated your 1NT in the system as thoroughly|pg|| nt|bt: arguably if west passes then bids 3@D, isnt that a side major?|pg|| nt|timb: we didn't have the system to cope with a 5@S-5@H hand opposite a hand that was 2-2 in the majors when we belonged in 3NT|pg|| nt|timb: The upside for Fantunes is when they DON|pg|| mb|3D|nt|gsper: 2@D usually relay|pg|| mb|p|nt|timb: 'T open 1NT (which is huge)|pg|| nt|bt: let us see if east agrees on the 3@D interpretation!?|pg|| nt|gsper: Relay, usually inv., to be exact|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|timb: only a spade lead beats 3NT|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|timb: oops no lead beats 3NT|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|timb: Needed @HA and another|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| nt|bt: maybe east should bid sometime|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h3|nt|timb: I'd try 2@H or 2@S (3@C as Michaels is a bit rich)|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| mc|11|nt|bt: and after 3@D there are clues they do have a major fir|pg|| nt|bt: fit|pg|| nt|bt: if you assume west has a reason for passing and then bidding|pg|| pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2S7HKQT76DAK4CT972,SKJ92H2DQT96532C4,SQT6H83D87CAKJ853,SA8543HAJ954DJCQ6|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|s3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d3|pc|c3|pc|s5|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|c2|pc|s9|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|d5|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|sJ|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d6|pc|sQ|pc|h5|mc|8|pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3SAKQT3H9DKQ7C8632,S95HJ763D98652CAQ,SJ64HAT542D43CT74,S872HKQ8DAJTCKJ95|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|cT|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c2|pc|d8|pc|s4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|s3|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c8|pc|d9|pc|sJ|pc|cK|pg|| mc|10|pg||