vg|2013 ACBL Grand National Teams Final,Segment 1 of 4,I,1,16,Spector,0,Lilienstein,0| rs|1NN=,1NN-1,4HW=,4HW=,4HW-1,4HE-1,4SN+1,4SN+1,3NS=,3NN=,4HW=,4HW=,4CW-1,4SN=,4SN=,4SN=,6SN=,4SS+2,1HE+4,4HE+1,5HEx-4,4SN-2,4HE-4,3HE-3,1NN-1,3NW-1,5SE-1,4SE=,2HW=,3NW-2,3CN+1,3NS=| pn|Meckstroth,Lev,Rodwell,Glubok,Lillenstei,Cohler,Polowan,Berkowitz|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3ST76HK542DAT9CQT2,SKJ95HAT983D83C94,SAQ8HJ76DKJ75CJ85,S432HQDQ642CAK763|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|c5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cQ|pc|h3|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h2|pc|s5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s6|pc|hT|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|d4|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d9|mc|6|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4S6HKJTDJ7654CQ865,SQ94HA532D98CAKJ7,SJT852H94DAQT3CT2,SAK73HQ876DK2C943|sv|n|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|djneill: hi all|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3C|nt|medwards: Hello|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Sorry - I was trying a different computer this morning and it still has problems. I should be okay now!|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Harmon: Dont use a Mac:)|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|medwards: THx|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s4|nt|djneill: Meck keeps the master trump, rather than drawing it, interesting|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|d4|pg|| mc|10|nt|wstuart: Hi everyone.|pg|| nt|djneill: North like everyone that leads from JT8 or QJ9 finds all the stuff behind him :-) but no matter with the minor honors onside|pg|| pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4S6HKJTDJ7654CQ865,SQ94HA532D98CAKJ7,SJT852H94DAQT3CT2,SAK73HQ876DK2C943|sv|n|nt|Harmon: Its not Dolowan but Polowan|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|an|4h min|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h6|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|s5|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s4|mc|10|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1S952HKT6D64CAJ652,SA76HA92DAQ982CK3,SKJ843HJ3D53C9874,SQTHQ8754DKJT7CQT|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|wstuart: That's a mighty good hand to open 1NT|pg|| nt|djneill: Meck again has the trumps taken care of, lest we see an intrafinesse of North's @hJ|pg|| nt|medwards: Heavy 1NT|pg|| nt|djneill: you like that 17 , yeah it shines|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Lev's cell phone just rang and a director was called to deal with it - we're continuing with play but may have another delay|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cT|nt|djneill: my guess is N-S will waive any penalties for cell phone, if they could|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|wstuart: 3 aces - worth more than 4 HCP each, and the 5th @D - way too good IMO.|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| nt|djneill: South sees the @d threatening, shifts quickly|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| nt|djneill: lucky West didn't have the @sK rather than the @cK|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|Walddk2: We also have voice commentary in both rooms http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/news_fetch.php?id=743 for instructions if you are not familiar with the voice procedure. |pg|| nt|wstuart: Also, the lack of lead value coming up to the 2 blank aces in the majors argues for leaving the door open for pard to play it.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: The director just returned to say there's a 12 IMP penalty for the cell phone going off (I think the rules also say he's supposed to give the phone to the director or the Vugraph ...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: operator, but perhaps that got left out)|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1S952HKT6D64CAJ652,SA76HA92DAQ982CK3,SKJ843HJ3D53C9874,SQTHQ8754DKJT7CQT|sv|e|nt|Henryb: Good morning all|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|Henryb: Deep finesse would make 4@h by playing hearts for one loser. Berk won't have that advantage|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|nt|Henryb: And Cohler will make 3N after the normal spade lead|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Henryb: I would not check for hearts with helpful honors in both majors|pg|| pc|d6|nt|Harmon: I think many would lead a club after a 2n rebid|pg|| nt|Henryb: Sodas I presume, George|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|DaMan: not so unfortunately Henry|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s9|nt|Henryb: You can answer vocally; I can hear you|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| nt|Henryb: Spade shift came in time|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SAK83HAJT6DQ943C5,S2HQ8D875CAQ98432,SQJ75H952DAK6CJT7,ST964HK743DJT2CK6|sv|b|nt|djneill: wow 12 imps|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: huge fine|pg|| nt|medwards: Too bad there is not a warning before penalties|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s3|pc|c2|pc|cT|pg|| nt|djneill: I was reading today about an interesting chess cheating with cell phone: http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/thirteen-sigma/ but it seems a little far fetched in bridge to my eyes|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: The problem is with Vugraph - someone could see things on the mobile version :)|pg|| pc|d3|nt|djneill: North would like to force out West's entry, so can draw trumps and safely take a 2nd finesse if needed|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| nt|djneill: drawing trumps and leading a heart losing to West would hurt|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cJ|nt|djneill: entry drawn|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c3|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|dT|pg|| nt|djneill: West can't have the @hKQ and @cAQ so second @h finesse is auto even if @d didn't split|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SAK83HAJT6DQ943C5,S2HQ8D875CAQ98432,SQJ75H952DAK6CJT7,ST964HK743DJT2CK6|sv|b|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|Henryb: Is there a case for raising to 4@c with the East hand|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s3|pc|c4|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|dJ|nt|Henryb: Your hand looks right if partner plays sensible 4 level preempts|pg|| pc|s8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c2|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|h6|mc|11|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3S764HA62DAQJ6CJ64,SJ82HQDKT952CK832,SAQ5HJ74D743CAQT9,SKT93HKT9853D8C75|sv|n|mb|1D!|an|2+|nt|djneill: Glub may do something here|pg|| mb|2H|mb|2N|nt|Vugraphzfb: Lev asks about 2NT - NAT, INV|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|djneill: I see 8, are there 9, East might get endplayed in either major after minors removed|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|djneill: low @s to the 5 would be sneaky, Lev would see that though and play the @s8|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h8|nt|djneill: but isn't a @s finesse more normal|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|h3|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|cA|nt|djneill: squirm-radar activated|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|s9|pc|h2|pc|c8|pg|| nt|djneill: Glub determines if he pitches 2 hearts, South can just play hearts and whoever has the @sK, it is picked up, so keeps hearts|pg|| nt|djneill: so Glub goes for broke in @s|pg|| nt|djneill: meck knows East had 4@s to start at this point|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h5|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s6|nt|djneill: there we go|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| mc|9|nt|djneill: great counting by South|pg|| pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3S764HA62DAQJ6CJ64,SJ82HQDKT952CK832,SAQ5HJ74D743CAQT9,SKT93HKT9853D8C75|sv|n|nt|Henryb: No: could have cashed a high spade, crossed in @d and taken a heart finesse|pg|| mb|1C|mb|2H|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|Henryb: seems like a normally aggressive Meckwell auction|pg|| nt|Henryb: in the other room|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h3|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h5|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|h8|pg|| nt|Henryb: A heart might be more complicated|pg|| pc|cA|mc|9|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4ST432HADQ9CAKQJ98,SAKHKQT642DA765C2,SQ986H873DT84C643,SJ75HJ95DKJ32CT75|sv|e|mb|p|nt|djneill: South strong club, West has issue with that|pg|| mb|1C!|an|STR, ART, F|mb|1H|mb|p|an|0-5 or !hs|nt|djneill: E-W make a billion @h|pg|| nt|djneill: will Glub raise?|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|nt|djneill: as South has 16+, the @dQ might even be dropped|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|3C|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|djneill: West's 3@d is just invitational noise|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| nt|wstuart: I'm surprised Brian didn't raise. True, he has little playing strength adn the vul in dangerous, but one of the weak spots in club systems is preemption after the strong @C ...|pg|| nt|wstuart: opening.|pg|| pc|cA|pc|hT|pc|c4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|hQ|pc|c6|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h5|pc|cJ|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| nt|djneill: Queens may be reversed, no guarantees here for the drop, but South is unlimited, may have 18|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4ST432HADQ9CAKQJ98,SAKHKQT642DA765C2,SQ986H873DT84C643,SJ75HJ95DKJ32CT75|sv|e|mb|p|nt|Henryb: In fact, if Lev had shifted to a spade he might have beaten the hand|pg|| mb|1C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|2S|nt|Henryb: there is also an uppercut available on the fourth heart|pg|| mb|3H|nt|Henryb: against 4@s|pg|| nt|Henryb: And I worry about partner insisting on spades after I make a takeout double|pg|| mb|3S|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|h4|pc|c4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|c8|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SA542HKT87652DACJ,SQ9HQ3DKT95CQT754,SKT76HJ9D8432C832,SJ83HA4DQJ76CAK96|sv|b|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|djneill: North sifts through the swamps to find a 1@s|pg|| mb|d|mb|3S|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|djneill: the reason to respond with anything is that South is limited, will never get TOO out of hand, while you juke the opps out of their partial or game|pg|| nt|djneill: it's almost like a legal psyche, but nobody can bring the case to trial|pg|| nt|reisig: Brian clearly X'd over 1@s :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: oops, sorry!|pg|| nt|ritong: np|pg|| nt|djneill: 3@s is "good hand, in context of 11-15"|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: That's what I get for trying to finish breakfast :)|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hA|nt|ritong: multitasking again, jan?:)|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|h8|nt|djneill: not much to do here|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h5|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hK|nt|djneill: West will try to force out the @dA, exit in @h, hope for a ruff-sluff, or will just claim in deference to N-S's reputation|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s8|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SA542HKT87652DACJ,SQ9HQ3DKT95CQT754,SKT76HJ9D8432C832,SJ83HA4DQJ76CAK96|sv|b|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|Henryb: 4@h appears to depend on a @h guess|pg|| mb|1S|mb|d|nt|Henryb: Swans should play in the long suit|pg|| mb|4S!|an|shape only|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|cJ|nt|Henryb: 4@s is tricky after two rounds of clubs|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dA|nt|Henryb: declarer has to play a spade to the K and guess hearts|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|s4|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| nt|Henryb: Yes|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sQ|pc|s6|mc|10|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2ST53HKJ87D654CK98,SA62H9532DQJCA763,SKQJ984H6DAKT9CJ4,S7HAQT4D8732CQT52|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N!|an|semi forcing|nt|djneill: N-S play constructive raises, so South judges this flat 7 to be not good enuff|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|djneill: but now|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|djneill: 9fit and go|pg|| pc|d7|nt|ritong: a true miracle|pg|| nt|djneill: @c wrong but @d and @h right so...|pg|| nt|djneill: @d7 could be from Q87x, so North still not 100% sure|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|djneill: not sure why @dQ rather than lowest of touching @dJ|pg|| nt|djneill: Rod still has issues to solve if everything wrong, time to think|pg|| nt|djneill: I wonder if thinking then low @h would be a director call|pg|| nt|ritong: ?|pg|| nt|djneill: sometimes it seems to show that it is not a singleton if you think forever |pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| nt|reisig: At what level?|pg|| nt|ritong: you mean that the director would be called to check if bridge is a thinking game?|pg|| nt|djneill: we've seen some pretty stretchy calls in bridge, just saying|pg|| nt|djneill: dir calls|pg|| nt|djneill: East nullified that anyways here, rising with the @hAQ|pg|| nt|wstuart: THere was an issue with thinking at T1 10ish years ago in a women's event. 3rd hand had a singleton aces and thought for a long time as she always did before playing to T1|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| nt|wstuart: Declarer took exception to this but there was no penalty or warning given.|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|c2|mc|10|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2ST53HKJ87D654CK98,SA62H9532DQJCA763,SKQJ984H6DAKT9CJ4,S7HAQT4D8732CQT52|sv|o|mb|p|nt|Henryb: pretty spectacular, bidding a game on a combined 15 count and making it|pg|| nt|Henryb: Making 4@s is pretty good|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|pc|c8|nt|Henryb: As Joey would say, "Next"|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| mc|10|nt|Henryb: the @s9 looks right, or the @h6|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: water break|pg|| nt|Henryb: Other table is playing board 11|pg|| pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SJ8765HAK95DAK7C9,SQ93HT72DQ62CKJ54,SAK42HQ3DJ3CAT832,STHJ864DT9854CQ76|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfb: Rodwell asks Glubok what his diamonds were - maybe he wondered about the Q play also :)|pg|| mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|nt|djneill: Glub's @cQ was totally reasonable, it was last entry, and @d and @h were bearing down on him|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|nt|djneill: 1N 13-16|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|djneill: Meck has just 15, but with some gadgetry even a grand might arise|pg|| nt|reisig: Nice slam|pg|| nt|ritong: surely 3@h here|pg|| nt|ritong: or a splinter|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: 1N is 14-16|pg|| mb|3D!|an|!s raise, slam try|nt|djneill: 13 fav that includes at least one Ten :-)|pg|| mb|p|nt|wstuart: He'll make some move - I don't know what the Meckwell methods are - we'll see in a sec.|pg|| nt|ritong: or an other convention:)|pg|| nt|danilo1: possible 3@S rather than 3@H , if no splinter|pg|| mb|3H!|an|asking|nt|danilo1: *3@D|pg|| nt|djneill: 3@d prep's a club splinter|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C!|an|!c spl|nt|djneill: what would they do with 4@h-5@d slammish? something else of course|pg|| mb|p|nt|djneill: North's hand is gigantic opposite a @c splinter|pg|| nt|djneill: now they make noise to invite slam|pg|| nt|ritong: matter of taste|pg|| nt|wstuart: RKC from north now is my bet|pg|| nt|djneill: noise..noise. rkc|pg|| nt|ritong: i would prefer @c Jxxxx and more working cards|pg|| nt|djneill: yeah I agree, that would be better |pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|danilo1: not sure I agree Dan ... @C values would be better for North than shorthness|pg|| mb|5S|mb|p|nt|djneill: South feign's the @sQ, uh oh|pg|| nt|djneill: 9 card fit = @sQ drop|pg|| nt|ritong: well the fifth @s is a surprise|pg|| mb|5N|an|# kings|mb|p|nt|djneill: 5N asks kings|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I can't quite read Rodwell's notes, so what's in the bidding box is Mecks explanations|pg|| nt|danilo1: can Mexk not bid 7 after 5NT?|pg|| mb|6H|mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|djneill: stopped on a dime|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "so I showed club shortness, right? I would bid 3@h with the balanced thing?" Rod "yes"|pg|| pc|dT|nt|ritong: north must say " we have all the keys" since south hand is not limited|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|nt|djneill: not sure can afford to safety|pg|| nt|ritong: it is not really a grand try just an information|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck did give 6@s a moment's thought, but not very long one|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sK|mc|12|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SJ8765HAK95DAK7C9,SQ93HT72DQ62CKJ54,SAK42HQ3DJ3CAT832,STHJ864DT9854CQ76|sv|e|nt|Henryb: How do you not make it, George|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|Henryb: In modern bridge you avoid 7 because you know you are off the @sQ|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|Henryb: But bidding a slam on 29HCP is never bad|pg|| mb|2N|an|ask|mb|p|nt|Henryb: Certainly forcing|pg|| mb|4C|an|4-2-2-5|mb|p|nt|Henryb: I think I would have better clubs for that|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|Henryb: Kaybe if the @hQ was the @cQ|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d4|mc|12|nt|Henryb: Perhaps Jared thought 4@d was RKC|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SQ53HQT8DQ964C754,SA82HA64DAT832C98,SJT96HJ2DJ75CAQJ3,SK74HK9753DKCKT62|sv|b|nt|djneill: lots of pushes so far, early days tho|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Glubok: "so he showed 2 kings?" Rod: "he showed 2 kings" G: "not specific kings" R: "we never show specific kings, we have asking bids available"|pg|| nt|djneill: have fun with this great match, enjoy I gtg, thanks henri, jan, all|pg|| nt|danilo1: I believe he decided that he already shown @SQ and is maybe not fully happy with compensation (Jxxxx)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rodwell & Glubok still discussing - Rod "didn't know I had 12 tricks" G: "I don't see them now" R: "I had the !Q of hearts|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|reisig: Might have a swing here|pg|| nt|ritong: yes, hands fit well|pg|| nt|reisig: I'd open Glubie's hand|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Glubok asks about J lead - Rod: "it's a bridge play in the middle of the hand" Meck: "nothing conventional" |pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c7|nt|medwards: Interesting that east passed in this day and age. No intermeddiates and stiff king|pg|| pc|h6|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "looking grim, partner"|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|nt|reisig: For me --- no Queens or Jacks = extras :)|pg|| pc|h5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|cT|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d8|pc|cQ|pc|h7|pc|dQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SQ53HQT8DQ964C754,SA82HA64DAT832C98,SJT96HJ2DJ75CAQJ3,SK74HK9753DKCKT62|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfg: Mike appologized for not bidding 4h instead of 4s|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Henryb: Glubok felt (as I do) that 80 kings, one of them singleton, is not an opening bid|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s9|nt|Henryb: I would lead a black suit|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| nt|Henryb: Now @dK, @sA, @dA, @c|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|s7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|nt|Henryb: he might|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| nt|Henryb: Play S for AH|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| nt|Henryb: I think it is the right play|pg|| nt|Henryb: 10 more imps to Spector|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h3|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c7|pc|h4|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| mc|11|nt|Henryb: I think both are very good games|pg|| pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1ST64HA63DAJ73CAT2,SQ8753HJT5D52CKJ6,SAKJ92H92D6CQ9853,SHKQ874DKQT984C74|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "you had 4 kings, Brian?" Glubok: "yes, stiff king of diamonds"|pg|| mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ritong: old schooled|pg|| mb|2H|mb|d|an|3 !ss|nt|ritong: why not nothing wrong with that|pg|| mb|4H|mb|4S|mb|5H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|nt|reisig: Maybe 800 coming|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| nt|ritong: lev picked a wrong moment to promise long trumps imho|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|h7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: short trump support offset by useless @SQ|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: he was just hoping Rodwell would bid 4@S -- but Glubok didn't know about the plan|pg|| nt|reisig: Lost his cell phone?|pg|| nt|danilo1: :)|pg|| nt|ritong: surely i am stubborn, but i remain convinced that bids like 4@h here must promise 4+ trumps, and probably a shortage|pg|| nt|ritong: molesting opponents is surely a good idea, but not all year long|pg|| nt|reisig: No - Henri ..you are right on!|pg|| nt|reisig: I believe ..."keep partner in the game!"|pg|| nt|wstuart: Now you just need to "cell" the idea to Lev. :)|pg|| nt|ritong: the game is all about educated guesses, more than blind brutality, with all respect due to sam lev|pg|| nt|danilo1: but he is not even sure to beat 4@S with his hand ... except @SQxxxx, which real defensive values he has in hand|pg|| pc|h2|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|c8|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|s5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|hJ|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|hK|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d9|pc|h6|pc|s8|pc|sK|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|dT|pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1ST64HA63DAJ73CAT2,SQ8753HJT5D52CKJ6,SAKJ92H92D6CQ9853,SHKQ874DKQT984C74|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2H|nt|Henryb: the major difference is that in team games you get to chose your field, in matchpoints the field is somewhat random|pg|| mb|d|an|3c support|mb|3H|an|weak|mb|d|an|game try|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|Henryb: my own feeling is that board a match, which is matchpoints but you choose your field, is the toughest and in some sense truest to form type of bridge event|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hJ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c2|nt|Henryb: If declarer gets clubs right, he should make this, and hold the loss to 9 imps; if not, he will lose 13 or 14|pg|| pc|cK|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pg|| nt|Henryb: declarer is going down. he has another club to lose, and a trump|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| nt|Henryb: at least|pg|| nt|Henryb: The club play was unlucky.|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|d5|nt|Henryb: We can't hear you, Jordan|pg|| pc|c5|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hT|mc|8|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SAT4H83DAJCJT8532,SK752HAQJ9DQ75CAQ,SJ93HK2DKT832CK64,SQ86HT7654D964C97|sv|n|nt|reisig: Yup ...8 bills|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "good play there, Eric" Rod: "thank you"|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|2C|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|nt|Vugraphzfb: Glubok asks about lead. Rod: "that's Rusinow, showing the J"|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c9|pg|| nt|reisig: At least ..not X'd this time :)|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c7|nt|ahollan1: @C10 Rusinow [2nd of touching honors] from 4+suit|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|pc|c3|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|c4|pc|h5|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SAT4H83DAJCJT8532,SK752HAQJ9DQ75CAQ,SJ93HK2DKT832CK64,SQ86HT7654D964C97|sv|n|nt|Henryb: silly result|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cJ|nt|Henryb: not in my text book, Jordan|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other table has finished play of 1st 16 boards of championship|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| nt|Henryb: 'Allo Al|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|d9|pg|| nt|Henryb: no|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg|| nt|Henryb: that is really inexcusable|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|s8|pc|sT|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|h3|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|cT|mc|6|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3ST76H95DA9543C975,SJ92HAQT3DKJ8CJ43,SAQ5HK764DQT762CK,SK843HJ82DCAQT862|sv|b|nt|reisig: Is this a 1NT hand?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "down 4 again" Lev: "you're always down 4 when you play the hand, Brian" Meck: "we forgot to double though" Rod: "maybe I could double" Meck: "seems like when they go down 4 ...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: we ought to be doubling"|pg|| mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N = 14-16|pg|| pc|c6|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck, putting down the diamonds "that's all she wrote"|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rod: "if he doesn't lead the 6 of clubs against NT, he doesn't have it, I guess"|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h2|pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: @C suit comes in for declarer -- but not @D Great Shuffler really does have sense of humor|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|c4|pc|h4|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "none of those?" Rod:" not any more"|pg|| nt|reisig: 5 discards ..not so easy :)|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h5|pc|s2|nt|danilo1: @D10 as one of them makes it easy :)|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|c8|pc|h9|pc|s9|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c2|nt|ritong: no|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|s7|nt|ritong: rod surely got rid of this @d10|pg|| pc|hA|nt|reisig: He tossed the @d 2?|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3ST76H95DA9543C975,SJ92HAQT3DKJ8CJ43,SAQ5HK764DQT762CK,SK843HJ82DCAQT862|sv|b|nt|Henryb: Apparently Sam is mechanically challenged :)|pg|| mb|1D|nt|Vugraphzfg: bathroom break|pg|| mb|2C|nt|reisig: 2@c or X?|pg|| nt|ritong: none 1NT raptor:)|pg|| nt|ritong: 2@c otherwise for me|pg|| nt|reisig: Me too :)|pg|| nt|Harmon: Heneri!!!!!11|pg|| nt|ritong: salut harmster hi all|pg|| nt|ritong: 3NT down 1 probably|pg|| mb|3D|an|mixed|mb|3N|nt|Henryb: I think the only excuses for a live cell are 1) you are a doctor on call, or 2) your wife is close to giving birth. In both cases you could give it to the director|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: Henry! :)|pg|| pc|d6|nt|wstuart: An on call doctor prob shouldn't be at a bridge tourney.|pg|| nt|reisig: Is 3NT down?|pg|| nt|ritong: yes|pg|| pc|s3|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d4|nt|reisig: I guess that's true :)|pg|| nt|Henryb: six rounds of clubs are hard for North to withstand|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d2|pc|s4|pc|d3|nt|sixela: not really, 2h, 2s, 1d|pg|| pc|dK|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|reisig: Has "just enough"|pg|| nt|wstuart: It's not clear that 3NT can be beaten DBL dummy.|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|d7|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c9|nt|ritong: as long as he gets rid of the @d10 will be ok|pg|| pc|c4|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ritong: oops|pg|| pc|c8|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| nt|Henryb: Apparently Lillienstein has a 12 imp penalty for a Lev cell phone ringing|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s6|pc|hT|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c2|nt|wstuart: ah nice. enjoy and say hello for me|pg|| nt|reisig: Did the "E" light up ..on the scoreboard?|pg|| pc|s7|nt|Henryb: current score is 41 to -1|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| nt|ritong: omg|pg|| pc|s2|nt|sixela: did polowan really dscard his low d?|pg|| pc|sA|mc|8|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4S5HK4DAT84CT96543,SQ98732H92DQ93CKQ,SAHT853DKJ652CJ82,SKJT64HAQJ76D7CA7|sv|o|nt|ritong: no big deall next|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rod: "who had the King of spades?" Glubok raises hand|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3D|an|!s limit raise|nt|ahollan1: now THAT is trump support from Lev|pg|| nt|ritong: yeah|pg|| mb|d|nt|wstuart: Brian needs to ask where those trumps were on bd 11.|pg|| nt|danilo1: anyone for simple 4@S?|pg|| mb|4S|mb|5D|mb|5S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Glubok: "where's the double?"|pg|| pc|dA|nt|Vugraphzfb: Lev: "sorry I let you down, partner" |pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| nt|wstuart: I don't hate 4@S, but it's a little heavy - this seems like a LR which will then accept his own invitation should pard sign off to me.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|sJ|pc|d8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: good example to show why even if you normally lead A from AK -- at 5+ level revert back to K from AK|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sA|pg|| nt|reisig: 4@s just means ..no slam ...get there FAST|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4S5HK4DAT84CT96543,SQ98732H92DQ93CKQ,SAHT853DKJ652CJ82,SKJT64HAQJ76D7CA7|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: we asked same question when Rodwell pitched @D2|pg|| nt|reisig: This is the "Finals" ???|pg|| nt|ritong: and prolly the answer is the same|pg|| nt|Henryb: no, it is subtracted from the offender's score|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|Harmon: I hope he gave good phone:)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: sure, pretty heavy fine|pg|| mb|p|nt|danilo1: even if North did not discard @D10, declarer is not to be blamed for not trying to end-play ... as he does not know where @D10 is|pg|| nt|wstuart: Maybe it should be a masterpoint penalty instead of an IMP penalty. Then it can be assessed against a single player.|pg|| nt|ritong: and even, perhaps, a bit more convincing:)|pg|| nt|reisig: How about a firing squad?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nah makes sense to penalize teammates for having player who does something so stupid|pg|| nt|sixela: imp penalty is more painful and more likely to discourage future violations|pg|| pc|cT|nt|ahollan1: death penalty for parking violations!|pg|| nt|Henryb: How about the rack and thumbscrews|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h8|nt|Henryb: Changed in ACBL land, Roland: you can carry it as long as turned off|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d6|nt|Henryb: I think it is the wrong one, Jordan|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1ST972HJ94D942CKJ4,SA83HK3DAQT65CQ96,SKQ64HA87DK73C853,SJ5HQT652DJ8CAT72|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: here @DA lead is standout and asks attitude [while giving south chance to see dummy]|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rod asks who had @h J, Brian "I had AQJ" |pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|nt|wstuart: A from AK at any level is the worst thing that has happened to bridge in my memory. |pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|nt|EhsanA: dificult to fight Mackwells,,ina sacrifice situation :)|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|s8|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c6|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1ST972HJ94D942CKJ4,SA83HK3DAQT65CQ96,SKQ64HA87DK73C853,SJ5HQT652DJ8CAT72|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ritong: i like stayman here|pg|| mb|2D|an|!h|nt|Henryb: Gee, I pulled a wrong card. forgiveness?|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|wstuart: xfr and 2NT seems right to me|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: well it would take three pages of typing, so i will not enter this|pg|| nt|sixela: 3ng seems like a bit much on that hand|pg|| nt|ritong: but staymaning with inviting hands works OK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Henri - you mean as partner or convention? [was chatting with Richie yesterday about when he tied for win in Reisinger playing with Sam Stayman]|pg|| nt|reisig: :)|pg|| nt|wstuart: 3NT isn't the overbid some specs are thinking it is.|pg|| nt|danilo1: Xfr and maybe even pass OK for me ... guess they have some methods that allow West to bid other than 2@H if convenient hand|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: when @DK and @HJ offside 3N is overbid when they're onside ...|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|s9|nt|wstuart: 1) he's getting 6:5 odds in fovaor of bidding the NV game (45%), 2) his cards are almost all prime and the @HK has a bit of extra weight because of pard's lngth there. 3) he has ...|pg|| nt|wstuart: a good 5 card suit of his own which might come in also.|pg|| nt|reisig: Xfer ...and guess ...I won't complain about 2NT or Pass |pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: of course it still needs help in black suits|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sQ|pc|h2|pg|| nt|sixela: Qxx in clubs is not prime and he has no spts outside of d|pg|| nt|reisig: AQ10xx is nice|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c2|nt|sixela: it is an average nt opener, nothing extra, 2nt is not a check to see if pd had his bid|pg|| pc|s7|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|nt|bobholl: and now S is squeezed|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dT|pc|c5|pc|h6|nt|Harmon: need to ret ht|pg|| pc|cJ|pg|| pc|d6|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h3|nt|ritong: @h8|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|ritong: tss|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cQ|nt|wstuart: unlucky|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SAJ74HK95DA863C94,SKT95HJ84DQ754CT2,S86HA76DJTCKQJ763,SQ32HQT32DK92CA85|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfb: Last board of this set - we'll resume shortly after the other table finishes|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|an|NAT, 6+ !cs, 10-15|nt|ahollan1: 10-15 hcp, 6+@C|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|an|asking|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D ask|pg|| mb|3C|an|minimum, no Major|mb|p|nt|reisig: The answer is : NO|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@C min, not 4+@H/@S|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| nt|EhsanA: Mackwells have a precion based system..with lots of their own intonations :)|pg|| nt|ritong: meck would move with a @c support|pg|| nt|ahollan1: voice commentary even more adamant Henri -- thinking north should open 3@C :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "well, I don't know, partner|pg|| nt|ritong: he does|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ritong: he would bid 3NT with @c Hx|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry Roland - i didn't hear the question|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in 3rd seat they'll open tactically with good 5@C|pg|| nt|ritong: or better|pg|| nt|danilo1: I thing he would bid 3NT with his hand if voulnerable ... hand on the limit to bid it .. and NV is lose5/gain5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|h4|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c7|pc|h3|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|d2|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d6|nt|ritong: @c Hx or better has two functions|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| mc|10|nt|ritong: 1) it helps making tricks, not so bad|pg|| nt|ahollan1: yesterday meckwell sat out 2nd set|pg|| nt|ritong: 2) it reduces the (bad) chance to find a @c stack behind opener and get doubled|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other room on 12|pg|| nt|ritong: merci a tous|pg|| nt|calabres: t|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SAJ74HK95DA863C94,SKT95HJ84DQ754CT2,S86HA76DJTCKQJ763,SQ32HQT32DK92CA85|sv|e|nt|sixela: not really, winning the J of S was very lucky|pg|| nt|sixela: without that, there is little play|pg|| mb|p|nt|reisig: Finesse or squeeze ..I take the squeeze....anyone can finwaae :)|pg|| nt|ritong: heh|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|nt|ritong: after all these years, you still go for the bulletin play, richiekin?:)|pg|| nt|reisig: :) yup|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ritong: good for you|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that is NOT correct result from Open Room|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|nt|bobholl: was 3@C made i guess|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Rodwell opened Precision 2@C - 2@D - 3@C - pass|pg|| nt|wstuart: This had was played in 3@C|pg|| nt|reisig: That open room result is wrong.. was 3@c +110|pg|| nt|ahollan1: made overtrick|pg|| nt|wstuart: +130|pg|| mb|3N|nt|wstuart: I think|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: oh - right 130|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: good time to reenforce BBO scores are UNOFFICIAL|pg|| pc|h8|pg|| nt|ritong: certainly so|pg|| mc|9|nt|ritong: wow|pg|| nt|wstuart: Do we know when the -12 IMP penalty will show in the BBO score?|pg|| nt|wstuart: (Penalty for a cell phone violation against Lillenstein for those just joining.)|pg|| nt|danilo1: + 2 IMPS thhis board|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: break|pg|| nt|ritong: merci a tous|pg|| nt|ritong: swimming time|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfg: my guess is just a few minutes|pg|| pg||