vg|2013 Vanderbilt Final,Segment 3 of 4,I,33,48,Auken,69,van Prooijen,36| rs|6SS=,6HN+1,4SS+1,4SS+1,6DN=,6DN=,4SS+2,4SS=,6HW=,6HW=,4CE-1,1SS+1,6CW=,3NW+2,3DN+1,5DN=,3NS+3,5CS+2,4HN=,5HN-1,3DN-1,2HE+1,6DN=,5DN=,4SE=,2SE+2,6SN=,6SN=,5DS=,6HS=,3HS=,3HS=| pn|M Bilde,Verhees,D Bilde,v Prooijen,Brink,Welland,Drijver,Auken|pg|| qx|o33|st||md|3SA873HJ9863DACQT4,ST52HQ4DJ652C9632,SKQ96HAKTDKQ3CAJ7,SJ4H752DT9874CK85|sv|o|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|kareno: Al :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: vP asks "strong" and Dennis nods|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C!|nt|ahollan1: 2N 22-24|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|nt|fluff: theoretically grand slam here in @S|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@C must have been Puppet Stayman|pg|| nt|kareno: Puppet?|pg|| mb|3S!|nt|fluff: muppet fantunes style maybe :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ok in Muppet 3@D guarantees a 4-card major|pg|| nt|fluff: rite|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I'm not sure. Verhees asked "Puppet?" and I thought Morten shook his head and said that 3@d showed no major, but of course looking at Dennis' hand ...|pg|| nt|kareno: Maybe showed no 5 card major?|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: can't be regular stayman else Dennis bids 3@C-3@S|pg|| nt|fluff: reverse smolen ?|pg|| nt|kareno: So 3@c asked a 4 or 5 card major|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Well, no, normal Smolen - he has 4 @ss and 5 @hs|pg|| nt|kareno: 3@d showed at least one 4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm told Dennis has been known to hide 4M when 4333|pg|| nt|kareno: ah|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Ah, now that makes sense of everything|pg|| mb|5N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 5N pick-a-slam|pg|| mb|6S|mb|p|nt|kareno: Pick a slam? Surely not GSF|pg|| nt|ahollan1: grand slam force is almost never used anymore [especially with RKC]|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: And that was indeed the correct explanation. Dennis now explained to vP - "Stayman ... no Major ... 5 @hs and 4 @ss"|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: And 5NT = pick a slam|pg|| nt|kareno: n/s cc http://www2.bridge.dk/Admin/Public/DWSDownload.aspx?File=%2fFiles%2fFiler%2fDivisionsturneringer+2012-2013%2f1.+division%2fDennis_Morten12-13.doc|pg|| nt|fluff: s is feeling there is more :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: smaller link http://www2.bridge.dk/Default.aspx?ID=6061 then there are multiple links for Bilde you want the card for Dennis & Morten [in Danish]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that link also gives access to Welland-Auken CC|pg|| nt|kareno: In Danish?|pg|| nt|fluff: went to check my french fries, all ok, still not decided... ?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Driver in 6@H north|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|nt|Vugraphzfb: everyone laughs a little. Morten: "he bid them twice and then he convinced me"|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|d4|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| nt|kareno: Wonder why he took that club finesse. If spades break he can pitch them and set up hearts.|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg|| nt|fluff: rite, was asking myself same question|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|mc|12|nt|kareno: Nerves maybe|pg|| pg|| qx|c33|st||md|3SA873HJ9863DACQT4,ST52HQ4DJ652C9632,SKQ96HAKTDKQ3CAJ7,SJ4H752DT9874CK85|sv|o|nt|Walddk2: http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/cc/OpenTeams/Netherlands/brink-drijver.pdf|pg|| nt|fabsayc: welcome all|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: welcome to the 2nd half of the Finals of the 2013 Vanderbilt from St. Louis|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://www2.bridge.dk/Default.aspx?ID=6061 bilde [danish] & welland-auken|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|an|3 hearts|mb|p|nt|Henryb: Or NT or @h|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 6NT may be best|pg|| mb|3S|nt|Henryb: 4@s, 5@h, 3@d and a @c|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|an|strong slam try|mb|p|mb|4D|an|no club control|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: not the most convincing auction since spades never bid|pg|| nt|Henryb: 6@h is better: you can pitch two spades|pg|| pc|dT|nt|Henryb: and take the @c hook if @s don't come in|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| nt|jeanhari: hi|pg|| nt|Henryb: 7N, 7@s and 7@h all make - but all are poor contracts|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|d5|pg|| nt|jeanhari: 12 tricks in 6@S taken, so declarer finessed clubs on the oening lead|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|nt|jeanhari: p|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| mc|13|pg|| qx|o34|st||md|4SAJ75HK96DQJT6CK8,S86HAT532DK9543CA,SQ9432HQ8DACQJ732,SKTHJ74D872CT9654|sv|n|nt|fluff: i can understand that :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: four handed is tough|pg|| mb|1N|mb|2H!|an|!hs + minor|nt|ahollan1: (14)15-17|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = @H + @C/@D|pg|| mb|d|an|takeout I think|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: should say 5+@H 4+@C/@D|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Morten opened a really ratty 14 last set|pg|| nt|ahollan1: DBL = takeout|pg|| nt|kareno: Their range is really any 14-17 by Morten|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 6@H made overtrick|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I think that Verhees said the 5+/4+ verbally, then the director, who happened to be here, told him to write, not speak and he just wrote 2H = hearts + minor (and held it up for me ...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: :))|pg|| pc|cA|nt|ahollan1: :)|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|nt|kareno: We can take a short nap this hand|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h9|pg|| nt|fluff: always be transparent, or else a committte|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Roy Welland usually plays 4-person teams|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but winning team in 2007 was 6 [including Christal Henner-Welland, the last woman to win the event]|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c34|st||md|4SAJ75HK96DQJT6CK8,S86HAT532DK9543CA,SQ9432HQ8DACQJ732,SKTHJ74D872CT9654|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1C|an|2+ clubs|nt|Henryb: He took a club hook at trick 1|pg|| nt|jeanhari: 4@S here, ew not enough fit for a save|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Welland had 2NT card out, put it back and is asking questions about the 1@C|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|mb|2H|an|weakest raise|mb|2S|mb|3H|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|Henryb: When I was two and twenty, I wanted to play all the time. Now that I am significantly older I can't do it anymore|pg|| nt|jeanhari: wrong king in west for Welland to get this one off|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s3|nt|jeanhari: in east that is...|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o35|st||md|1S875HK983DK654CK2,SAKT2HQ5DJTCT9754,S6HA42DAQ983CAQJ8,SQJ943HJT76D72C63|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfb: It seems incredibly hard to me to play these events on a 4 person team, but all 4 of them look bright and ready to play. Guess they're younger than I am :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|d|nt|fluff: who isnt ? :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: question from audience: who is youngest person to win the Vanderbilt? does anyone know??|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Verhees "Phew, finally getting in" lots of laughter|pg|| mb|r|an|3 !hs|mb|2S|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: IF Auken wins Dennis Bilde could be youngest AND 1st Dane [ok his father would share latter honor]|pg|| mb|4C!|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: 4@c probably just alerted because it's a cue bid|pg|| nt|ahollan1: some of the winners in 1930s were pretty young|pg|| nt|fluff: 6@d on|pg|| nt|chip: 6D is cold, but not so easy to bid.|pg|| mb|4H|nt|agumperz: you remember back even further than I do Al|pg|| mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|nt|chip: If S were 2-4-4-3 it would have no play.|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|6D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|nt|kareno: Very nice!|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: hmm i thought Rusinow leads at 5 level and higher|pg|| pc|d3|nt|ady: hi all|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Rusinow = 2nd of touching honors so I expected @SJ|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c35|st||md|1S875HK983DK654CK2,SAKT2HQ5DJTCT9754,S6HA42DAQ983CAQJ8,SQJ943HJT76D72C63|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: this are 12 tricks in diamonds, superb fitting hand, let's see|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: good slam but very hard to bid|pg|| nt|Henryb: The older of the two Vanderbilt Trophies. Do you know what the other is for and when it was put in play. (This one dates to 1928).|pg|| mb|3D|nt|jeanhari: indeed very difficult, 3@D now and they have some chance|pg|| nt|jeanhari: 4@S now splinter or would it be lackwood?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Henryb: The other is also for a bridge event.|pg|| nt|jeanhari: other table in 6@D, well done|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i like 4@S splinter|pg|| mb|4S|nt|fabsayc: now 5@C by south|pg|| nt|jeanhari: think Brink must go for it now, partner cant expect more then three such good cards|pg|| mb|p|mb|6D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: so well done here too|pg|| nt|Henryb: The answer is that it was donated for the Olympiad Teams, which is now the Mind Sport, and donated in 1960|pg|| nt|fabsayc: does it look like the one for this event|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: very friendly atmosphere; so much laughter the director has asked them to tone it down|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|dT|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o36|st||md|2SKQT732H3DAT85CK4,S8HK754D2CJT98652,S96HAJ986DQJ73CA3,SAJ54HQT2DK964CQ7|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@H could be 4@H 4@S|pg|| mb|1S|nt|chip: They bid 6D at the other table, but really had not much of an idea that the hands fit so well.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 35 Drijver in 6@DN EW never in the auction|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: sorry chip got there first|pg|| mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3S|nt|Vugraphzfb: Welcome to Warren Spector|pg|| nt|kareno: Warren :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: You'll notice that I get the cuter men to come to my table :)|pg|| nt|warrens: hi all|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d2|nt|warrens: hi Jan, Karen, Al|pg|| nt|kareno: West looking for magic|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|agumperz: Do u believe in magic Karen?|pg|| nt|chip: Looks foolproof, as even with 2 spades and a diamond still make, and with good guessing might make 6.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think 1980 was probably youngest TEAM with Bobby Levin, Jeff Meckstroth and Eric Rodwell early 20s or maybe one was 25|pg|| nt|kareno: I don't believe in short suit leads :)|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| nt|kareno: I think you're right Al|pg|| nt|ahollan1: again same contract in other room but no EW bidding|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: Welland lead also @D2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|c2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: amazing that Verhees preempts but Welland did not|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c36|st||md|2SKQT732H3DAT85CK4,S8HK754D2CJT98652,S96HAJ986DQJ73CA3,SAJ54HQT2DK964CQ7|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|Henryb: I wonder whether North would have bid the same way without the @CJ|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: rather unexpected pass from Welland|pg|| mb|3S|nt|Henryb: Did Roy suddenly get a supply of green cards?|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d2|nt|fabsayc: wrong 4 count to overcall|pg|| nt|jeanhari: ore someone took his bidding box|pg|| nt|jeanhari: sure wrong 4 count, but thats not always an agument for them|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s8|pg|| nt|Henryb: Roy generally finds a bid for every hand. Whether his hand, the bid and his announced methods are in agreement is purely coincidental|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|c6|pg|| nt|fabsayc: spade 9 from dummy was probably more accurate|pg|| nt|jeanhari: in the other room west did bid 3@C, declarer took spade hook for 12 tricks|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dT|pc|c2|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|c5|pc|h6|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hT|pc|s7|mc|10|nt|jeanhari: not bidding gained another imp....|pg|| pg|| qx|o37|st||md|3S432HT72DT6CQ9542,SAQ7HJ54DAJ875CK3,S986H98DQ9432CA76,SKJT5HAKQ63DKCJT8|sv|n|nt|kareno: Welland is so often doing just what you don't expect him to do|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis wants to be playing rubber bridge with these hands :)|pg|| nt|warrens: I think Welland picks his spots. |pg|| mb|p|mb|1C!|an|STR|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=16+ unbal or 17+ bal|pg|| nt|ahollan1: good thing we buckled seat belts|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H!|an|FG "BAL" or 12-4 3-suited|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: another big club|pg|| mb|1S!|an|asking|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = art game force vP will RELAY for more info|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|an|any 5332|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: oh same board :)|pg|| mb|2H!|an|asking|nt|warrens: another slam hand, good from the west hand, since you can ruff out some @D's|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D = a) 5@C/@D(332) b) 5M 2OM 33|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: He kept the heart and guessed the club? That makes sense|pg|| mb|2S!|an|8-11 or 15+|nt|ahollan1: 2@S = not 12-14 hcp|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i.e. 8-11 or 15+|pg|| nt|chip: 6H from W looks to be the best contract and EW have gotten the positioniong right already.|pg|| nt|chip: with the 1H response|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|an|asking|nt|ahollan1: EW system called Ultimate Canape|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|an|3-3-5-2|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N asks 3@H = 3352|pg|| mb|4H|an|to play opposite 8-11|mb|p|mb|5C|an|15+, 2 keycards, no Q|nt|ahollan1: 4@H mild slam try|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: even better explanation thanks Jan|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Thank Ricco, who is writing clearly |pg|| mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i was looking Jan agree 15+ but not sure if KC or of controls|pg|| nt|ahollan1: van Proojien = Ricco but roster probably shows him as Cornelius|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Verhees explains to Morten that vP just asked and he described. Morten points out that V is declarer and V: "yes, stupid system" laughing|pg|| pc|s6|nt|kareno: You would be inclined to play north for the club ace as he did not lead it. I think it comes down to the guess, no?|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h4|nt|ahollan1: amazing that Jan remembered the auction|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| nt|warrens: well, first he's going to do some ruffing|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Auken opened east hand Flannery|pg|| nt|chip: Declarer will presumably try to ruff out the D Q, but will have to guess the clubs when that fails.|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| nt|kareno: Their range fits that bid yes|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Welland also 6@H west|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|hK|pc|dT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: what was line in Vegas that west would declare in both rooms?|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sA|nt|chip: Decarer is an entry short to ruff out Qxxx of D and then enjoy both long D and spade.|pg|| pc|s9|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|c6|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|chip: now knows he just has to guess the clulb.|pg|| pc|c2|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c37|st||md|3S432HT72DT6CQ9542,SAQ7HJ54DAJ875CK3,S986H98DQ9432CA76,SKJT5HAKQ63DKCJT8|sv|n|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: 32 HCP+ fit|pg|| mb|2D|an|Flannery,11-15 or 17-19|mb|p|nt|Henryb: 2@d = the F word: 4-5 in the majors and a minimum opening|pg|| nt|fabsayc: best contract is 6@H by west, i was wondering how that could be arranged|pg|| nt|Henryb: never 16|pg|| nt|jeanhari: so assume 6@H in east...|pg|| nt|jeanhari: club decision: a) on club lead of b) on non club lead|pg|| mb|2N|nt|Henryb: I am told by several that it is 11-15 or 17-19|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|an|short diamonds|nt|Henryb: Or the left side, Roland?|pg|| nt|jeanhari: Verhees in 6@H as west spade lead|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C|an|optioinal KC for hearts|nt|fabsayc: optional KC first step minimum higher steps are key card|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: EW play a lot of optional KC -- first step is minimum hand, higher bids are KCs with nonminimum|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Dinos1: 5@d response showed 17-19 range?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Henryb: one below, so you can stop opposite a minimum, Bill|pg|| nt|jeanhari: probably 3@D showed higher range already|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: 5@D was 2 KC plus heart queen plus spade king and no club king|pg|| nt|fabsayc: so north knows not to lead club ace|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: welland suggsting a change to the system. with 17-19, make negative response to 4@C and then over 4H show key cards|pg|| pc|h8|nt|Henryb: So: @hK, @hA, @dK, @hJ, @dA, @druff and guess the clubs|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|hJ|nt|Henryb: There is a fair chance that he will misguess clubs|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|h6|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|hQ|pc|s3|pg|| nt|fabsayc: this looks wrong|pg|| nt|fabsayc: cash diamond ace instead|pg|| nt|jeanhari: indeed|pg|| nt|jeanhari: can recover, must go for her decision now|pg|| nt|Dinos1: now shd guess @c|pg|| nt|Dinos1: while there's entry to @dA|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|nt|jeanhari: so its made in the other room|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: welland: "I have to guess the club"|pg|| nt|ritong: indeed|pg|| nt|jeanhari: playing K could mean much down|pg|| nt|Henryb: le moment de verite|pg|| nt|Henryb: or is it la?|pg|| nt|ritong: le is right|pg|| pc|c3|nt|ritong: taddamm|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: as soon as he played and before Drijver plays, Auken "I would have done the same thing"|pg|| nt|ritong: yes|pg|| mc|12|nt|ritong: as mats nilsland told me, no @c lead no @c queen|pg|| nt|fabsayc: well guessed|pg|| pg|| qx|o38|st||md|4SKQ9532HKQT8DA4C2,SJHJ7543D983CA984,S84HA62DJ7652CJ75,SAT76H9DKQTCKQT63|sv|e|nt|chip: I assumed she got it from you Al.|pg|| nt|kareno: Jan? I'd be shocked if she didn't|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I'm sure this table will finish first, so I'll go back and put in the meaning of the bids and the play at the end of the set|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|<3 !ss|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|3C|an|shows 4|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = 10-15, 4+@S if 2nd suit it is LONGER [canape]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@C = LONGER @C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N 0-2@S|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i thought 3@C needed a bit more strength 7-9 HCP, 4/5@C|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: Louk Verhees told me that have been tweaking a little|pg|| nt|ahollan1: maybe 3@C to keep NS from finding their @S fit :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Verhees: "hope this isn't too much" laughter|pg|| pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: ah so Verhees joke implies he was weak for 3@C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 37 Welland also guessed @C in 6@H |pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dT|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: auction in other room 1@C-1@S-all pass|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|c9|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|c7|mc|9|pg|| qx|c38|st||md|4SKQ9532HKQT8DA4C2,SJHJ7543D983CA984,S84HA62DJ7652CJ75,SAT76H9DKQTCKQT63|sv|e|mb|1C|nt|jeanhari: lead is only help you have, so favors playing low a bit|pg|| nt|fabsayc: a slight clue as henri pointed out|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: still well done|pg|| mb|p|nt|Henryb: so does that mean board 39 will be another slam?|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: a mini clue is better than no clue at all|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg|| nt|Henryb: Brink will make 2 or 4|pg|| nt|Henryb: sorry 2 or 3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|d9|pc|s8|pc|sA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Brink showing his hand to Welland|pg|| nt|Henryb: so he has two more spade losers, a club and a diamond|pg|| mc|8|nt|fabsayc: made only 2|pg|| pg|| qx|o39|st||md|1ST8753HAK753DJ3CQ,SK62HJDAQ52CAKJT2,SJ9H986DT98764C94,SAQ4HQT42DKC87653|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfb: Just for Al: Verhees & vP discussing the auction (in Dutch, sorry!). Then Verhees says "too little luck with those notes"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C!|an|STR|nt|ahollan1: yet another big club|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S!|an|8-11 or 15+ 3-suited or 12-14 6 crd mino|nt|ahollan1: game force 3-places to play [usually some 5431]|pg|| nt|warrens: I think he could have made that by ruffing the second @S high and the third @S with the @C 8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not 12-14 hcp other options too but brutal copy/paste|pg|| nt|warrens: didn't figure in 5-2 @S's|pg|| mb|2H|mb|d!|an|short !hs|nt|ahollan1: there are some 3PTP hands you can think of that do not fall under 1@S [ex only some 5530]|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|warrens: a brave 3@H bid by N|pg|| mb|4N|an|Blackwood|nt|chip: Laydown 6C, but maybe hard to find now. |pg|| nt|kareno: Yes, but he has a lot to play with (passed partner and strong auction l&r|pg|| nt|chip: Does W know E has short D rather than short clubs?|pg|| mb|p|mb|6C|nt|Vugraphzfb: Well, I thought Verhees mouthed "Blackwood"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think 2nd part of Jan's explanation should be 12-14 UNBAL|pg|| nt|chip: EW in 3N in the other room, so the match will be closer. Looks like E did not think this was BLKwood.|pg|| nt|warrens: btw, I said that declarer didn't factor in 5-2 @S's on the last hand, but they were 6-2. I have much more sympathy for his line.|pg|| nt|chip: 1S was 1 of 3 hand types: 8-11 or 15+ 3 suited or 12=14 6 minor. Not sure if E showed which.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: E didn't write an explanation of the 4NT bid, just the earlier bids. My lip-reading of West was that it was Blackwood|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3 places to play can be 4441, 5431 or some 5530|pg|| nt|ahollan1: could be 5M(440) but not 5m(440)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I had taken vP's notes to check the 1@s response and Dennis asked for them back and then asked vP some questions about the auction|pg|| nt|chip: Big swing over passing or bidding (about 25 imps)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: and i'll confess i have zero confidence about auctions after opponent's interfere|pg|| nt|chip: play will be faster than bidding.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Sorry - they'd passed it out a long time ago, he was thinking about the lead|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cA|mc|12|nt|Vugraphzfb: Verhees: "good bid"|pg|| pg|| qx|c39|st||md|1ST8753HAK753DJ3CQ,SK62HJDAQ52CAKJT2,SJ9H986DT98764C94,SAQ4HQT42DKC87653|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|an|4+ hearts|nt|Henryb: Its an odd numbered board, so slam|pg|| mb|1S|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|Henryb: without 3 hearts|pg|| mb|3N|nt|Henryb: I think|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|Vugraphzfe: welland: "sorry"|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ritong: yes, he can see 6@c is cold|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c3|nt|Henryb: For all kibs: Roy showed 17-19 balanced (I think without 3 hearts) but said nothing about clubs|pg|| pc|cQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o40|st||md|2SAQHKQT943DAJ93C9,SK763HAD74CAQJ862,SJT85H7DKQT65CK75,S942HJ8652D82CT43|sv|o|nt|kareno: Very well done, especially in the face of the competitive auction.|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = 10-15 hcp, 4+@S [see earlier notes]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N still 0-2@S forcing unless opener 5@S(332)|pg|| mb|2H|mb|3C|an|good hand|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@C LONGER @C not sure if he shows MAX after the interference|pg|| nt|kareno: Well, he didn't have to bid, did he?|pg|| nt|kareno: Sure|pg|| nt|kareno: Good hand|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|s9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1st time i've seen a psychic 1N response|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ostensibly 1N = 0-2@S|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c40|st||md|2SAQHKQT943DAJ93C9,SK763HAD74CAQJ862,SJT85H7DKQT65CK75,S942HJ8652D82CT43|sv|o|nt|fabsayc: it seems he could have rebid 2d then 3nt|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1N|an|diamonds and a major|mb|p|nt|ritong: raptor probably|pg|| nt|Henryb: Auken plays four-handed because Roy likes to play all the time|pg|| nt|ritong: long @ds and a 4M|pg|| nt|ritong: precisely @ss, apparently|pg|| mb|4C|nt|ritong: sjoert has a monster for @ds|pg|| nt|fabsayc: apparently a splinter, but for what suit|pg|| nt|Henryb: I had a partner at one time who opened 1N with 15 to 17 and any shape as long as the singletons were either kings or queens|pg|| nt|Dinos1: 5@d from S seat|pg|| nt|ritong: for the known suit, logically|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Brink wrote: "undiscussed but I guess splinter with diamond support"|pg|| nt|ritong: now, drijver is ultra mini|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Drijver shaking his head; indicates with a shrug he is not sure|pg|| nt|ritong: the usual raptor range is 10/14|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D|nt|ritong: according to vulnerability|pg|| mb|p|mb|4N|nt|ritong: meaning rather 13/14 at unfav|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jr7: now 5@D is on the wrong hand with a @S lead, but ...|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i dont see any reason to lead the killing spade|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: 4NT was optional blackwood; 5@D said he didn't like his hand|pg|| nt|ritong: coinflip between majors|pg|| nt|Dinos1: also no reason to lead @c|pg|| nt|jeanhari: clubs wont help|pg|| pc|h2|nt|ritong: lost|pg|| nt|ritong: tails|pg|| nt|ritong: was heads|pg|| nt|ritong: the fast lane is @h J hook|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: screen is down; brink writing notes to welland|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| nt|Dinos1: E could underlead @hA after this bidding|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ritong: yeah yeah sure|pg|| nt|ritong: and what else|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: welland - auken deciding defenses to Raptor -- 2@C is cue and 2 red is transfer|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|nt|Vugraphzfe: welland: "if you play the 3, you'll tie the all time record"|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| nt|Dinos1: @d9 and @c|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d7|nt|ritong: gling|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ritong: next|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o41|st||md|3S7532HAJDAK8CAKJ4,SKT9864HT3D763CT9,SAQHK965D54C76532,SJHQ8742DQJT92CQ8|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: Drijver gets to 5@D after (1@C)-1N [raptor: 4@H/@S & 5+@D]|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: The only thing vP wrote was that 3@c = good hand (2NT would be weaker 3m bid)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: on 40|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|an|20-21|nt|chip: light 1N response Non vul pretty normal opposite a limited and canape 1S.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|an|alerted by S|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ahollan1: 2N 20-21|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis: "you showed your spades" (thinking back to first board no doubt|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: hehe|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|warrens: cold 6@C on 2-2 trumps |pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: of course it was Dennis that hid his major on earlier hand|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|warrens: also makes on 3-1 trump and the @S finesse|pg|| pc|s4|nt|warrens: but not easy to bid|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Verhees: "down 1?" laughter|pg|| pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: at these colors Drijver may open north hand 1N|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|sT|pc|c6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c7|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: i think they define that as 9-12|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|s3|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|dJ|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|dA|mc|12|nt|Vugraphzfb: As each finesse won, Verhees said "down 1?" |pg|| pg|| qx|c41|st||md|3S7532HAJDAK8CAKJ4,SKT9864HT3D763CT9,SAQHK965D54C76532,SJHQ8742DQJT92CQ8|sv|e|nt|fabsayc: well done|pg|| nt|fabsayc: read the opening lead|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: amazing it s raining slams|pg|| mb|1C|nt|Dinos1: not a bad 6@c here|pg|| mb|1S|mb|d|nt|Dinos1: especially after 1@s OC|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: 2nt opening 21-23 leaves a wide range for suit opening and later jump in NT|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4C|nt|ritong: ouah|pg|| nt|ritong: very nicely judged|pg|| nt|ritong: guess 4NT here by south would be sign off|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ritong: but he has a good hand|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: 7@c happens to make, but i strongly doubt they will reach that|pg|| nt|Dinos1: reaching 6 is great |pg|| nt|ritong: oui|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: anybody know what 4@S is?|pg|| nt|ritong: brink does|pg|| nt|Dinos1: :)|pg|| nt|jeanhari: looks like Blackwood|pg|| nt|fabsayc: everybody has an idea, no two the same|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: brink sighs and shakes his head|pg|| nt|Dinos1: N cant have hand weaker than he has|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: 5@c was certainly not his dreamt response|pg|| nt|fabsayc: best answer "it's brinkwood"|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: 4 spades was "good hand|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|jeanhari: so lose 3 iso gain 10, still good try|pg|| nt|ritong: as opposed to 4NT, as said|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pg|| mc|13|nt|ritong: hurts|pg|| nt|jeanhari: lose 2...|pg|| nt|Dinos1: did N show 4@h5@c?|pg|| nt|Dinos1: +@s stopper|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: 4@C was "natural, usually 4 cards"|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: short break|pg|| nt|fabsayc: last segment will start shortly after this session|pg|| nt|fabsayc: history says it could easily end on monday|pg|| nt|jeanhari: already monday for most of the spectators (and me)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: monday in st louis :)|pg|| nt|jeanhari: most not for sure :)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i vaguely remember one vanderbilt was stopped and restarted on the monday, am i right?|pg|| nt|ritong: rain delay?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: back|pg|| pg|| qx|o42|st||md|4SK752HKQ2DAK6542C,SAQ8HJ64D8CKQJT32,S43HA8753DQ9C9765,SJT96HT9DJT73CA84|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 2@C denies 4@H/@S else overcall Raptor 1N|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: verhees asked Morten how many hearts he had on the last hand and then discussed what would have happened on a less favorable lie of the cards "if the heart finesse lost ..."|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: nice bidding|pg|| nt|warrens: well done|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg|| nt|kareno: Nice bid by north|pg|| nt|chip: still has to make it agains the bad D break and spades offside.|pg|| pc|h9|nt|ahollan1: declarer actually know EXACT @S layout here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis was playing the hand in his head and then closed his eyes and leaned back in his chair. Now back to playing|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|nt|kareno: He has some infomation about west's spade holding though. |pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: how does that affect his chances?|pg|| nt|kareno: Can defelop the spade king.|pg|| nt|chip: needs ot win in dummy and play on diamonds.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: remember 2@C denied holding 4@S [and trick 2 shift confirmed]|pg|| nt|kareno: Diamonds gets west down to size in trumps|pg|| nt|chip: don't think the Defense can counter that.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis put the screen down to ask about Verhees' options - "1@d-1 no would show ..." then something about strength (don't know if that was for the Raptor bid or for 2@c|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 41 Drijver did NOT open north hand but P-P-1@C-1@S//DBL-P-2@S|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: screen back up now, but he's still thinking about the hand|pg|| nt|ahollan1: much better chance for dutch pair to find slam|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|h6|pg|| nt|chip: well done.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis nodding his head when Verhees ruffed and making orchestra conducting gestures with his hand :)|pg|| nt|kareno: Defense is cooked. They needed to play clubs and clubs and clubs|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|hQ|mc|10|pg|| qx|c42|st||md|4SK752HKQ2DAK6542C,SAQ8HJ64D8CKQJT32,S43HA8753DQ9C9765,SJT96HT9DJT73CA84|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: good result for de Bilde's, making 4@H|pg|| nt|ritong: 2@c looks obv perhaps roy has other ideas|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: he does|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|5C|nt|fabsayc: not a bad red suit slam, but needs both red suits to break, so slightly under 50%|pg|| mb|d|nt|ritong: not mentioning @s A on|pg|| nt|jeanhari: and and a good lead|pg|| nt|Dinos1: less after vul 3@c preempt|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: welland leans in to pickup his bidding cards;;brink shakes his head "no"|pg|| mb|r|mb|p|mb|5H|nt|fabsayc: hmm, dont like the double of 5@C unless it says dont lead club|pg|| mb|p|nt|Dinos1: yes, @s lead will be welcomed|pg|| nt|ritong: red zone already|pg|| nt|ritong: 4@h was tough enough|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: Drijver: "another 5 level"|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|jeanhari: dont see 4@H can make, 5 will be impossible|pg|| nt|ritong: yes, one of the bad things you can do at this game is being in 5 M voluntarily|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|s4|pg|| nt|Dinos1: lack of extra @h card to bid 5@c|pg|| nt|ritong: i agree|pg|| nt|ritong: sjoert has really pushed that one|pg|| nt|ritong: he has only three trumps, and also his pard did not cue|pg|| pc|h9|nt|jeanhari: now 4 would make, same defense as in the open room... but this is against 5|pg|| nt|ritong: it is not impossible that the previous hand has impacted his lucidity, too|pg|| nt|Dinos1: didnt try toshorten dummy's trumps|pg|| nt|ritong: although i would not bet on him tilting just an observation|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| nt|Dinos1: seems clear def with @d's stopped|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|h5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|h2|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|sT|nt|ritong: soon bad news time|pg|| pc|d4|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|c2|pg|| nt|ritong: boink|pg|| nt|Dinos1: 3-3 in MM's - 1 @d|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o43|st||md|1SAQ43HQ76DQ87CA94,ST98HAT8DJ543CQ72,SJ75H43DAT92CT653,SK62HKJ952DK6CKJ8|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|1N|mb|2H|mb|3C|nt|Vugraphzfb: vP asks about 1NT "12-14, but he could pass with a bad hand, so has values"|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|chip: Seems like a lot of bidding by NS|pg|| pc|h2|nt|warrens: yes, pretty active for 2 hands with nothing|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis, chuckles, "nice hand" |pg|| pc|h6|nt|chip: still, no double no trouble.|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Verhees: "strong ten"|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|h7|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis: "even stronger"|pg|| pc|h8|pc|s5|pc|hK|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: any reason for either EW to find @C switch?|pg|| nt|kareno: The Dutch are in 5@c on 41 I hear|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: was just going to confirm that Karen but they did explore the slam|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|dT|mc|8|pg|| qx|c43|st||md|1SAQ43HQ76DQ87CA94,ST98HAT8DJ543CQ72,SJ75H43DAT92CT653,SK62HKJ952DK6CKJ8|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dK|pg|| nt|Dinos1: duck? and if lead was from Kxx?|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|h3|pg|| nt|fabsayc: or Qxxx|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s7|nt|ritong: the bilde's applied " no way they play 2@h quietly if raised"|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|ritong: and will score some i guess|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|s6|pc|sA|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o44|st||md|2SAK42HDAKJ543CK82,S653HAKJ2D6CQJ763,S97H98763DQT72CT4,SQJT8HQT54D98CA95|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfb: Morten: "well done" then "it was better than me playing 3@c" Dennis: "best would be not playing anything" Morten: "yes"|pg|| mb|1H|an|4+ !hs, can have longer side suit|mb|p|mb|2H|an|4 !hs|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 10-15 hcp, 4+@H if 2-suits 2nd is LONGER [canape] except maybe 5@H 5@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 4-fit|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|warrens: wow, 4@H now?|pg|| mb|4H!|nt|ahollan1: i'm told NS do NOT play lebensohl here|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|nt|chip: think it takes a trump lead to beat 6|pg|| nt|warrens: makes six without a trump lead|pg|| nt|warrens: yes, I think so too Chip|pg|| nt|warrens: but are they really that crazy?|pg|| nt|warrens: partner has shown zero |pg|| mb|6D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis: "ah, you're not that old anyway" Morten: "it's not that easy for me"|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| nt|warrens: omg, he's going to make it|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis asking about whether Verhees can have 5 spades |pg|| nt|ahollan1: this time vP does follow lead Rusinow [2nd of touching honors] at 5level or higher|pg|| pc|sK|nt|kareno: They really are playing in the zone|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|d2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c2|nt|kareno: Got to play the club|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|h2|pc|d7|pg|| mc|12|nt|Vugraphzfb: The first few tricks there went pretty fast, but Dennis ruffed that 4th spade with the @d2, so I think he ruffed the third one high - sorry!|pg|| pg|| qx|c44|st||md|2SAK42HDAKJ543CK82,S653HAKJ2D6CQJ763,S97H98763DQT72CT4,SQJT8HQT54D98CA95|sv|n|nt|ritong: lol|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|nt|ritong: and an other one|pg|| mb|1D|an|hearts|mb|1H|an|takeout of hearts|nt|ritong: duly bid OR wow|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: south bid this one alone.. very good timing|pg|| nt|Dinos1: trump lead beats 6@d|pg|| mb|d|nt|ritong: perhaps pity he has @h AK|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: in this room, that is|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: brink: "big bidding by Mr. Brink"|pg|| pc|d8|nt|Dinos1: good lead|pg|| nt|ritong: he will be relieved|pg|| nt|ritong: momentarily|pg|| nt|ritong: with the 11 trix his part will make with that lead|pg|| nt|ritong: nonetheless, 13 more away|pg|| nt|ritong: stormy weather|pg|| nt|jeanhari: for Bas this could be lead for -1|pg|| nt|Dinos1: yes coz @cA is rather over K|pg|| nt|jeanhari: not knowing club ace is onside, he will try to find another way for his 11th if possible|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: welland: "are you claiming an overtrick?" -- little do they know|pg|| nt|ritong: roy should stfu|pg|| nt|ritong: oops did i reallysay that?|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|dT|pg|| nt|Dinos1: @dJ to Q - @h ruff, @d to 10 - @h ruff, @s ruff, @h ruff, @s and discard if W has 4th one|pg|| nt|fabsayc: there is no other line but club ace onside|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|d4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: Open Room has finished |pg|| pc|c3|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|dJ|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|d2|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|dK|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|c6|pc|d7|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|Dinos1: no chance but @cA on now|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|c2|pc|hA|pg|| mc|11|nt|Dinos1: oh, sry - endplay|pg|| nt|jeanhari: so well played|pg|| pg|| qx|o45|st||md|3SKH96DQJ962CKQT73,SQ982HA8DA743CJ82,SAT54HQJ32DT5C965,SJ763HKT754DK8CA4|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1S!|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|any invite|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|5+ !hs, 4 !ss|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = 10-15, 4+@S if 2-suits 2nd is LONGER|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@D = ART INV a) 3/4@S b) NT c) 3@H/@S & 6@C/@D d) 6OM|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = F1, 5+@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so exactly 4@S [5@H 5@S opens 1@H]|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: 4@S = natural game try|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Not sure if 2@h showed extras or not|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H did not promise extras, but was forcing for 1 round|pg|| nt|kareno: They'll open 2@d in the CR as east |pg|| nt|ahollan1: 42 [4@HN=] Drijver in 5@H|pg|| nt|chip: Not a great contract, but think it can be made now that you have a second cub trick. CRoss ruff works.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: is it natural to setup @C or work on @H ?|pg|| nt|kareno: The club can wait. No urgent need for a pitch|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c6|pg|| nt|warrens: it can, but don't you want to get your 6 quick tricks and then try to score 4 trump?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Chip -- it just isn't fair|pg|| nt|kareno: The Dutch are in 5@h where Dennis made 4|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|kareno: True enough |pg|| nt|ahollan1: since day 1 i've always been intrigued by hands where you NEVER pull trump|pg|| nt|kareno: This is clearly one. |pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dK|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|h4|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d4|pc|hJ|pc|s3|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|warrens: nice falsecard, but I don't think vP will believe him|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h3|pc|s6|pc|d9|pg|| pc|hT|pc|dJ|nt|warrens: oops, thought he was going to play a @s|pg|| nt|warrens: @S works if S has the 10 or singleton honor in S|pg|| nt|kareno: That was my thought too - not making|pg|| nt|warrens: ruffing with the Q works|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 42 5@H did go down|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|warrens: well done|pg|| nt|ahollan1: set score now 20-16 in favor of vanProoijen|pg|| nt|kareno: Oh, smother play coming up!!|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| nt|chip: If N over ruffs and plays a trump his spade T gets smorhtered at trick 12.|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c45|st||md|3SKH96DQJ962CKQT73,SQ982HA8DA743CJ82,SAT54HQJ32DT5C965,SJ763HKT754DK8CA4|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1D|nt|jeanhari: off course defense might/should have avoided this with ace in west|pg|| mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+, can be BAL with ANY 5-card suit [even (542)2]|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 4+@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@S = 4, min opener|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: in other room we thought Sabine would open 2@D|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Auken: "I get to play the partscores" Drijver:' "i play everything at the 5 level"|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|ritong: roy will remind her about his pet|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but why not 2@D Roland?|pg|| nt|ritong: esp when costs 10 not to flannery|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h5|nt|jeanhari: open room had a very nice endplay by Ricco v Prooijen, worth lokking at..|pg|| nt|ahollan1: very pretty declarer play in other room|pg|| nt|ritong: although making 4@s is not a given|pg|| nt|ritong: oui|pg|| pc|c3|pc|s2|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|nt|ritong: the bilde's are walking on water this segment total apocalypse for verhees van prooijen|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h7|pc|d2|pc|s8|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c9|pc|s3|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: well except verhees-van prooijen pickup vul game swing here|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|nt|ritong: yes, but other boards are not that good|pg|| nt|ahollan1: when you get a chance look at the movie to see play of 4@S [but might show up in Daily Bulletin]|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Drijver say "doesn't matter and concedes"|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o46|st||md|4SK54HK4DJ965CKJ53,S872HJT985D7CQ984,SAQJT93HAQ7DA42CA,S6H632DKQT83CT762|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis: "very nice"|pg|| nt|kareno: Good hand for the newspapers!!|pg|| mb|p|nt|warrens: yet another slam hand|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis continued: "I thought when you playe the diamond you were down - very nice"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H!|an|4+ !hs, can be very light and off-shape |nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 13 cards|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|kareno: lol definitely|pg|| nt|ahollan1: he could have psyched 2@H = 5+@H 4+@C both supposed to have 10-15 hcp|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Morten 2@H -- did anyone see that coming?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: amazing auction|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dA|pg|| nt|warrens: well, he is a passed hand, so pretty reasonable|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|d3|pc|s5|pc|s7|pg|| mc|12|nt|ahollan1: yeah but would you have thought of it at the table?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis: "if the Q of clubs is third I'll make them all, if not 12"|pg|| pg|| qx|c46|st||md|4SK54HK4DJ965CKJ53,S872HJT985D7CQ984,SAQJT93HAQ7DA42CA,S6H632DKQT83CT762|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|jeanhari: 7th slam??|pg|| mb|d|mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: Verhees decided to psych 1@H instead of psych 2@H both supposed to show 10-15 hcp|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@C = @D or @H + @D|pg|| nt|ritong: anyway i will sweat a bit and predict a super tight ending to this match stay tuned!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: here 2@H not psych -- just a normal Welland stretch|pg|| mb|3N|nt|Vugraphzfe: Drijver is shaking his head|pg|| mb|p|mb|6S|nt|Dinos1: lol|pg|| nt|jeanhari: now will Bas blast 6@S or try for 7|pg|| nt|Dinos1: almost same bidding as in OR :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: not another 5 level...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: what do you think of Morten's 2@H bid in other room?|pg|| pc|h2|nt|fabsayc: normal as passed hand|pg|| nt|jeanhari: passed hand|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h8|nt|Dinos1: cant be 7 as S is PH. |pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i admitted at table i'd probably bid 2N and fear i was missing a better call|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: Drijver shows he hand|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o47|st||md|1SA64HKJ74DJ652CA6,SQT872H9D3CKQT543,SKJHA863DAKQ84CJ9,S953HQT52DT97C872|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: confess i probably bid 2N thinking there must be something better|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 43 [3@DN-1] Auken playing 2@H east|pg|| mb|2S!|mb|p|nt|warrens: 6@D?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: hmm does 2@S lose @H fit?|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|nt|warrens: is that Keycard?|pg|| mb|5D|nt|ahollan1: nope|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: not alerted|pg|| nt|warrens: guess not|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: minorwood way too modern for Morten|pg|| nt|warrens: not sure I like 5@D by South with two Aces and a King|pg|| nt|kareno: 6 diamonds makes with spade finesse and heart finesse.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: none of the voice commentators like 5@D either|pg|| nt|kareno: Nor I frankly|pg|| nt|ahollan1: on auction @SQ should be onside so don't need @HQ onsice|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Verhees asking Morten what other bids Dennis could have made over 2NT would have meant. |pg|| nt|ahollan1: bit of trivia Brink will open south hand 1@C will Welland still overcall 1@S? |pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c8|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: still one more set of 16 boards to play|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|d8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c5|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h6|nt|ahollan1: wouldn't use this line if in 6@D|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c47|st||md|1SA64HKJ74DJ652CA6,SQT872H9D3CKQT543,SKJHA863DAKQ84CJ9,S953HQT52DT97C872|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: both pairs do very well to get to slam after EW bidding|pg|| mb|1C|nt|jeanhari: hey nice, a slam hand.... at last :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nobody liked Morten's 5@D call here|pg|| mb|2C|an|natural|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = @C part of the YBYSIBM convention|pg|| nt|ahollan1: You Bid Your Suit I Bid Mine|pg|| nt|Dinos1: is it convention? :)|pg|| nt|pelu: 1@S ind i lukket = slemmen nu meget god - @s-knibning givet og så blot @h 3-2 - eller 4-1 med 4 i Øst|pg|| nt|pelu: sorry, privat|pg|| nt|ahollan1: after showing min with 2N all felt south obligated to cue with prime controls [4@D said don't worry about trump]|pg|| nt|jeanhari: wont make 6@H it seems|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: in 6@H and club lead you might play AK hearts, if nothing drops spade finesse|pg|| mb|2H|mb|2S|nt|fabsayc: indeed, i predict 6@H by south down 1|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 6@D easier in other room where @SQ implied by overcall|pg|| mb|3S|nt|jeanhari: I go along with that|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: well this also helps the play in 6@D|pg|| nt|fabsayc: hmm, might guess the hearts now|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|nt|ritong: ouch|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: ok, now he might make 6@H they bid this|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|6H|nt|ritong: double|pg|| nt|Dinos1: N bid 6|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|ritong: sooo...|pg|| nt|Dinos1: now makes on @s fin|pg|| nt|jeanhari: ok, if he makes I give up my night sleep and stay ;)|pg|| nt|ritong: which really looks good|pg|| nt|fabsayc: start the clock, 10 minutes till he plays to trick one|pg|| nt|ahollan1: declarer should be pretty double-dummy on the auction -- enough to make, but probably not for overtrick|pg|| nt|ritong: although...|pg|| nt|Dinos1: no need to make dbl fin in trumps|pg|| nt|kareno: maybe overtrick. but caution needed crossing to hand - diamond could be ruffed so heart to king, no?|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| nt|jeanhari: heart to king looks dangerous|pg|| nt|kareno: Not really - |pg|| nt|ahollan1: does he hook @S first?|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pg|| nt|kareno: yes|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s6|nt|ritong: a small clue is east did not double 3@s|pg|| nt|jeanhari: so far so good|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| nt|kareno: It's all about getting safely to his hand now|pg|| nt|ritong: relax, jean he will make|pg|| nt|jeanhari: heart to king works too|pg|| nt|ahollan1: yeah this looks right then safety play @H will take care of transportation issues|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|cJ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c3|nt|kareno: Um ... heart to King|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| nt|jeanhari: good comment Karen|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|nt|ahollan1: anyone think these guys have a future in bridge?|pg|| pc|h7|nt|ritong: i do|pg|| mc|12|nt|kareno: Heart to king was safest return to his hand. |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: welland: "i'm better off not bidding"|pg|| pg|| qx|o48|st||md|2S5HAQJ9862D965CJT,ST983HKDKQT72CAQ5,SAQJ64H73DA84C984,SK72HT54DJ3CK7632|sv|e|nt|kareno: He would have a spade finesse|pg|| mb|1S!|an|4+ !ss, can have longer side suit|mb|p|mb|1N!|nt|ahollan1: 44 Drijver in 5@D where bilde bid & made slam|pg|| nt|ahollan1: we've seen this start a lot this set|pg|| mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = 10-15, 4+ @S if 2nd suit it is LONGER 1N=0-2 @S|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: but for 2nd time vP has 3|pg|| nt|kareno: It's what they hope for I guess, with that system :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i think the systemic bid with vP's hand is PASS|pg|| pc|dK|nt|Vugraphzfb: Dennis: "good luck" |pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|nt|ahollan1: or sometimes lie and raise to 2@S|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| nt|kareno: Declarer likely to lose a spade finesse but not if he comes to hand with the heart ace :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: We should resume shortly after the other table finishes this set of boards. The clock is now on 27 minutes for the remainder of this set|pg|| pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: but Verhees once told me that they only raise with 3 when holding a singleton|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|hK|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d2|pc|h7|nt|chip: Declarer might drop the stiff king of hearts since wants to be in his hand to finesse the spade.|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|kareno: And how else can he? He'll eschew that spade finesse now |pg|| nt|chip: and now that he drops it, doesn't need the (losing) spade finesse.|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: oops final board of the set Closed Room still on 44|pg|| nt|kareno: Thanks Jan, as always bringing the room to life :)|pg|| nt|kareno: I'm going to check my emails and be back later for 4th q|pg|| pg|| qx|c48|st||md|2S5HAQJ9862D965CJT,ST983HKDKQT72CAQ5,SAQJ64H73DA84C984,SK72HT54DJ3CK7632|sv|e|nt|ritong: lol|pg|| nt|ritong: ask a blind man if he wants to see|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: last board of the set, short break,and back for more|pg|| nt|ahollan1: look at original seeding of these teams great final matchup, great field depth |pg|| mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: probably 10-15 min break before final 16 boards|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = unbal 5+@D or 4441|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|jeanhari: rather dull set of boards is was....|pg|| nt|ritong: en effet|pg|| nt|ritong: *yawn*|pg|| nt|ahollan1: vanProoijen original 6 seed Auken original 20|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@H nat, inv|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: thanks to our operator Joe stokes, all the commentators and spectators for their funny comments|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: Can someone explain how to replay a session later :)|pg|| pc|dK|nt|kareno: Spec is asking and I'm not sure|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: players complaining about no slam here|pg|| nt|Dinos1: will he guess @hK?|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| nt|Dinos1: or will fin @s?|pg|| nt|jeanhari: not immedeatly, but later go to vuegraph archives|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hA|nt|barmar: Click on Vugraph Archives, select the session. Then you can bring up each hand.|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|ritong: merci barry|pg|| pc|d2|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|Dinos1: seems better play @hA and then fin @s|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h9|nt|Dinos1: play for 2 chances|pg|| nt|fabsayc: he probably intended spade hook if heart king does not drop|pg|| pc|cA|pc|d8|pc|c2|pg|| nt|kareno: And here it is Go to: http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph_archives/vugraph_archives.php select a match and "View"|pg|| pc|h8|pc|c5|pc|s4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h6|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|s8|pc|c4|nt|kareno: Exactly|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sT|nt|jeanhari: first segment is on 2nd not yet|pg|| pc|sA|nt|ritong: merci a tous what a show! and 16 more to come|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c7|pc|cJ|nt|kareno: Same play, same contract other room.|pg|| pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|sK|nt|kareno: See you all later :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: does visible sun actually rise in London?|pg|| nt|jeanhari: all?|pg|| mc|9|nt|ritong: all.|pg|| nt|jeanhari: late here|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| nt|jeanhari: ok all :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so 10-15 minute break|pg|| nt|jeanhari: tell them to hurry|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: thanks specs and commentators. back soon.|pg|| nt|jr7: Why A@H ? - he knew @h 3-1 - unballanced must be x @H and Kxx in E he can not handel |pg|| pg||