vg|2013 Vanderbilt SF C,Segment 1 of 4,I,1,16,Fleisher,0,Van Proojen,0| rs|4SE-1,4SE-4,4HS+2,4HN=,2SS-3,2DE+1,2NN-1,1NW-2,3NW+1,3NW+1,3CS+1,3CS+1,4HS-1,4SN=,5DN-2,3HE-3,2CN-2,3NWx-1,2HW+2,1NN+1,4HW-1,4SE-1,2SN+1,2HW-1,3DN=,2DN+1,3SN=,3SN=,3NW+2,3NW+2,3NW+2,3NW+2| pn|Zia,Brink,Martel,Drijver,Zagorin,Willenken,Bathurst,Rosenberg|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SKJ7HK8743DKQ7C86,S964HJT2D942CKQT2,S82HA965D865CJ543,SAQT53HQDAJT3CA97|sv|o|nt|kareno: Hello all :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ady: thats about their limit|pg|| nt|kareno: David :)|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: possible K@D lead|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ady: not fatal for defence|pg|| nt|ady: east will feel optimistic at this point|pg|| nt|kareno: 2nt is some sort of question but I don't know their system. Perhaps 3@c shows values in that suit.|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|cK|nt|kareno: In any event here they are in game. This is a helpful lead for declarer but not enough to allow game to make|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| nt|ady: as kib has mentioned switch n/s hands 4 spades has very good play|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| nt|kareno: On a better day, a spade would be in the pocket and he would make it.|pg|| nt|ady: might gp 2 down if Zia plays 2nd club|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|ady: now down 1|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|s3|nt|kareno: The daily bulletin can be located at www.acbl.org - then just follow along the tournament links|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| mc|9|nt|kareno: For quarter results, www.bridgewinners.com|pg|| nt|kareno: There are no running scores for an ACBL tournament|pg|| pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SKJ7HK8743DKQ7C86,S964HJT2D942CKQT2,S82HA965D865CJ543,SAQT53HQDAJT3CA97|sv|o|nt|DaMan: and welcome to the 1st session of the semi final for the Vanderbilt Trophy|pg|| nt|DaMan: Hi Henry|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|forcing|nt|DaMan: the Vanderbilt Trophy has been in competition since 1928|pg|| mb|p|nt|DaMan: via a Knockout Teams formula|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|an|alerted|mb|p|nt|Henryb: It may be hard for (Michael) Rosenberg to stop low with his 17 count|pg|| mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Henryb: This looks to be two down|pg|| nt|Henryb: 2@h was either a weak preference to 2@s or any strongish hand|pg|| pc|h3|nt|DaMan: T%he comptition has benn narrowed from 69 teams to the 4 teams now in play|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|DaMan: yes looks like weakish 3C was a further game try accepted of course|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s3|nt|Henryb: Well, 68 anyway, as one team entered and immediately withdrew|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hT|pg|| nt|DaMan: right right|pg|| nt|DaMan: I was remembering the initial roster|pg|| nt|Henryb: 4@s is not the worst contract ever, but it needs trumps breaking, and to hold the pointed losers to 2|pg|| nt|DaMan: For the record Michael Rosenberg is a deliberate and thoughtful player.....therefore he will take his time in every case|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: his tanks are legendary|pg|| nt|DaMan: I didn't say that|pg|| nt|Henryb: Michael is not on the list of the slowest players in the world. Not even a contender|pg|| nt|DaMan: Bauke Muller and Andrew Robson have him beat hands down|pg|| nt|Henryb: plus we have frequent network issues from St louis|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h7|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|mc|6|nt|Henryb: well defended|pg|| pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SK4HQJ52DAJ73CAQ7,ST832H4DK9852C852,SA95HAT983DQT4CT6,SQJ76HK76D6CKJ943|sv|n|mb|p|nt|ady: i think that will be flat or near flat|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ady: will play 4@H|pg|| nt|kareno: It could be a partscore pickup - non vulnerable they may stay out.|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|an|super accept|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|ady: need 2 out of 3 finesses for a slam even money|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: Here n/s will play 4@h and this should present no problems for Zia|pg|| nt|kareno: 2@s a short-suit superaccept I imagine|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: Too many finesses!! 2 out of three is 50 percent and then no other bad luck. But two are offside|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|h3|nt|kareno: Club not needed - well if heart loses, then diamond is enough|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|hQ|mc|12|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SK4HQJ52DAJ73CAQ7,ST832H4DK9852C852,SA95HAT983DQT4CT6,SQJ76HK76D6CKJ943|sv|n|nt|DaMan: yes great D|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|DaMan: this will be a pedestrian 4H contract|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|DaMan: South opened 1NT in the OR|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|d5|pc|h9|pc|h7|pg|| nt|Henryb: every imp counts. Rosenberg just secured one|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SAT973HQ9DQT83CQ9,SKQJ8H642DJ74CKT8,S642HKT85D2CA7643,S5HAJ73DAK965CJ52|sv|e|nt|ady: it is true if played by South the diamond finesse and split is enough for a slam when east is on lead with K@H and switches to a club should you finesse as diamond finesse ...|pg|| nt|ady: itself not enough without 3-3 split|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|1N|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s5|nt|ady: this looks a good lead|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|kareno: Yes, it may surrender a spade trick but it will reap returns elsewhere|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d5|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|h5|nt|Walddk2: http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/cc/OpenTeams/Netherlands/brink-drijver.pdf|pg|| nt|ady: win and club looks best|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Drivjer thinkine|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|h3|pc|s7|pg|| nt|kareno: Ducking excommuniates declarer from clubs once they are established. Then it becomes a game of pitty patty with diamonds for any tricks from that suit.|pg|| nt|ady: at best for Zia down 2 I would think|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ady: probably down 3|pg|| nt|kareno: Yes, looks like he can get six but not seven tricks. |pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s9|pc|h4|pc|h8|pg|| mc|5|nt|kareno: Only five after all|pg|| pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SAT973HQ9DQT83CQ9,SKQJ8H642DJ74CKT8,S642HKT85D2CA7643,S5HAJ73DAK965CJ52|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|Henryb: In Chicago rubber bridge this is called stealing the vulnerability|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| nt|DaMan: hhrrrrmmmm|pg|| pc|c4|nt|DaMan: looks like 9 tricks|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|h3|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|h7|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c7|pc|hJ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h8|mc|9|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SKJHT972DKJT73CJ6,S732H85D842CAKT82,ST864HAQJDQ6CQ973,SAQ95HK643DA95C54|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|nt|Vugraphzfc: 2+|pg|| mb|1D|mb|2C|nt|ady: north double?|pg|| nt|kareno: I'm thinking that's possible - though he won't mind defending 2@c|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|nt|kareno: Well, he is more optimistic yet. I think Zia must pass|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|nt|kareno: Most likely continuation I think will be an attack on spades, dummy's entry|pg|| nt|ady: spade switch should be good enough to beat this|pg|| pc|c6|nt|ady: good enough for 3 spade tricke|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d3|nt|kareno: Not good |pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|dK|nt|ady: still time |pg|| pc|d2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|s4|pc|dA|pg|| nt|kareno: Yes, but not so devastating as it would have been at trick 2.|pg|| nt|ady: must play ace and another spade|pg|| nt|ady: hi Stan|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Or small \spade|pg|| nt|kareno: I undersstand many Europeans lead mud style so perhaps that is what west was thinking|pg|| nt|ady: small not good wont be able to run the spades when west wins club tricks|pg|| nt|kareno: So their card shows Mud leads I'm told|pg|| nt|ady: sorry now ok as north down to 3 spades|pg|| nt|ady: kibs alert|pg|| nt|kareno: I don't like those Mud leads - too hard to diagnose too often|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Drijver fingering 5 then A spades|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: thinking again|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c2|pc|sT|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ady: takes heart finesse wont make another trick|pg|| nt|kareno: Martel can now cash for down one or try for some sort of endplay or finesse for a Miami endplay|pg|| nt|kareno: The Miami endplay is when you put them in and they cash the rest of the tricks :)|pg|| nt|ady: may take the finesse club position not obvious|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Brinks club bid showed 5|pg|| nt|kareno: The clubs are marked with west. He had to have 5 to raise|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hK|mc|7|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SKJHT972DKJT73CJ6,S732H85D842CAKT82,ST864HAQJDQ6CQ973,SAQ95HK643DA95C54|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s4|nt|DaMan: this isn't chooped liver|pg|| nt|DaMan: chopped*|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| nt|DaMan: now a D switch|pg|| nt|DaMan: West falsecarded with the @S 3|pg|| nt|DaMan: maybe S now thinks partner has 5 unless they are playing 3/5|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: I think they all joked at the beginning of session about how NS play standard leads and carding -- "is that still legal?"|pg|| nt|DaMan: I guess Henry lost patience|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|DaMan: this might take a while to play|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h5|nt|DaMan: uh oh|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| nt|DaMan: I guess South had it in his mind that declarer had the D Queen and defended accordingl|pg|| nt|DaMan: y|pg|| nt|DaMan: N shd know partner has no more clubs|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h9|pc|c2|nt|DaMan: a very nice defense|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c7|mc|5|nt|DaMan: hrrrrmmm|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SJ975HT9654D7CT85,SAKQ4HK7DK93CKQ73,ST86HQJ8DAQ85CJ92,S32HA32DJT642CA64|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|kareno: Does someone have the link to see a second table?|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|an|19-20|nt|ady: favourable diamond position needed for slam not there|pg|| nt|kareno: Thanks - http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: I don't think east will be thinking slam with a threadbare diamond suit|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3S|an|weak doubleton in spades|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|nt|ady: best lead|pg|| nt|kareno: West having shown great spades, north finds the best lead for the defense... if south only had an entry!|pg|| nt|ady: clubs 3-3 home of the top|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|nt|kareno: Yes, time for another tea break :)|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| nt|ady: but west does not know that but cannot go down what line he decides|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|hK|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: at home we call that partner proof|pg|| nt|kareno: Right Dan :)|pg|| nt|ady: from Brink's point of view he may have losing options|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d2|pc|c8|pc|dK|nt|ady: now feeling better|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h6|nt|ady: hi Stan|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|cT|pg|| nt|ady: running for home now 10 tricks|pg|| mc|10|nt|kareno: Yes, ten because north hasn't got a fourth heart|pg|| pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SJ975HT9654D7CT85,SAKQ4HK7DK93CKQ73,ST86HQJ8DAQ85CJ92,S32HA32DJT642CA64|sv|n|nt|DaMan: anothe spade would have netted 1 more trick|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|DaMan: yeah finesse and claim|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|DaMan: these guys are putting me to sleep known as the Sominex Commentator Coup|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|DaMan: 4 boards in 50 minutes|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hK|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|nt|DaMan: here is the vugraph schedule it will show the times for today and tomorrow http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|DaMan: here is the site for bulletins etc http://www.acbl.org/nabc/index.php?a=2013&b=Spring&c=daily_bulletins|pg|| pc|s5|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c2|mc|10|nt|DaMan: nice|pg|| pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SAK743H7D65CAQT83,S98H53DAKQJT7CK62,ST5HAK964D982C954,SQJ62HQJT82D43CJ7|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1D|mb|1H|nt|kareno: Ah... Zia and I agree about what to do with 5/5 blacks!!|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: why did Brink pass on the 1st round|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ady: sorry did bid|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: Okay for those who ask - opening 1@c makes the rest of the auction easy - you can show your spades at any time and without having to 'high reverse,' you get both suits in ...|pg|| nt|kareno: conveniently|pg|| mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| nt|kareno: But if opponents preempt, you get both suits in - clobs don't get lost|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|nt|kareno: So here they are in a nice 5/3 fit - life is good :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Zia: Underruff is the correct play in this situation :)|pg|| nt|kareno: East may try for a trump promotion here, ruffing with the jack|pg|| nt|kareno: Dan thanks for bringing the room to life for us!|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| nt|kareno: This could get west's six of clubs into the game...|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|s3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|s6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SAK743H7D65CAQT83,S98H53DAKQJT7CK62,ST5HAK964D982C954,SQJ62HQJT82D43CJ7|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|DaMan: here is a style issue in the OR South opened 1C with his black 5-5 lots of player do that|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|DaMan: and we end up in the same contract|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|nt|DaMan: matters should go well when the crossruffs begin|pg|| pc|h2|pc|c3|pg|| nt|Harmon: hi all|pg|| nt|DaMan: hey Harmon|pg|| nt|DaMan: I didn't know you could type|pg|| nt|DaMan: or spell|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|s3|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|sT|pc|s2|pg|| nt|Harmon: I cant type worth a damn|pg|| nt|DaMan: Harmon is a Canadian masquerading as an American|pg|| nt|Harmon: but I speel poitfectlee|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d7|pc|c4|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|cT|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s7|pc|dJ|pc|c5|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|DaMan: undo?|pg|| pc|c9|mc|10|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SKT82HQ762D9764C7,SQJHAJ4DQJTCT9843,SA9543HK983DAK2CK,S76HT5D853CAQJ652|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|mb|3C|an|mixed raise|nt|kareno: :) a pretty filthy opening bid|pg|| nt|kareno: In the modern style.|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|kareno: If Zia peeps he'll be in game|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: both Fleisher pairs tht they could make a no-trump contract and both failed relting in 7 imps fo Van Proojen|pg|| nt|kareno: very strong hand and spades can provide pitches if south has 4-3 in majors with a better hand|pg|| nt|ady: ethat was on hand 4|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|kareno: responding to 'why cuebid?'|pg|| nt|kareno: Basically, Zia needs to find the spade jack and find Ax of hearts with west. Possibly JT doubleton with east|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Zia plan ning the attack|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: seems this lead has him thinking extra|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h9|nt|ady: this looks down 1 at least Zia could get spades wrong and play the lead as a singleton|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| nt|ady: I can see down 1|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dK|nt|kareno: Well West solved spades but it is still not enough.|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c2|pc|sT|nt|ady: hoping defencer gets stuck in with nod diamonds left|pg|| nt|ady: defender|pg|| nt|kareno: But no such luck|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SKT82HQ762D9764C7,SQJHAJ4DQJTCT9843,SA9543HK983DAK2CK,S76HT5D853CAQJ652|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|4-card constructive raise|nt|DaMan: undo|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|DaMan: 2D must shopw a weak raise|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|DaMan: oh constructive|pg|| pc|hT|nt|DaMan: constructive??????????????|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|DaMan: that was not the lead that hurt|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| nt|DaMan: they were in 4H -1 in the OR|pg|| nt|Harmon: wont guess spades tho|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|DaMan: you are such a predictor harmon|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c6|pc|sK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d9|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| nt|Harmon: nice play by Bathurst|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2S54HTDQJT64CKJT63,SAJ762HA976D985C8,SKQT9HKJ53DK3CA52,S83HQ842DA72CQ974|sv|o|mb|p|nt|kareno: 4@s is the same - down one if he finds the spade|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|kareno: One heart pitch isn't enough|pg|| nt|ady: heart lead beats 3NT|pg|| mb|2N|an|6 D? |nt|Vugraphzfc: I think that's what he wrote|pg|| mb|3D|an|majors|mb|p|nt|kareno: Brink in on thin suits and thin values. Could land in penalty land.|pg|| mb|3H|nt|ady: hi|pg|| nt|kareno: If Zia has double available for takeout, that could end the auction.|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: Zia fell in love with his hand.|pg|| nt|ady: just the 3 aces missing for starters|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hT|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|c4|mc|9|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2S54HTDQJT64CKJT63,SAJ762HA976D985C8,SKQT9HKJ53DK3CA52,S83HQ842DA72CQ974|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3C!|nt|DaMan: North should get the spades right on the last East would not lead from shortness with Qxx of trumps|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|Harmon: why? maybe not an appealing lead with lets say jxx od d|pg|| nt|DaMan: he has 13 to choose from|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|DaMan: brave bid by willenken|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|s9|pg|| nt|DaMan: the pace is beginning to wear me out|pg|| nt|Harmon: you look pretty worn to me|pg|| nt|Harmon: unlike me whois adorable|pg|| nt|DaMan: wisconsin lost yesterday nyah nyah|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c8|pg|| nt|DaMan: or was it Thursday?|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|nt|Harmon: I cant stand wisconsin so Yeaaaaaaa|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h6|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| nt|Harmon: probably down 3|pg|| nt|DaMan: down a few yes|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|h4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|s4|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SAT952H9842DKT5CT,SJ8HAJ6DJ82CA8753,S4HKT3DQ964CKJ642,SKQ763HQ75DA73CQ9|sv|e|nt|ady: Bathurst landed 4@S on hand 7 and got 12 imps and that was in spite of losing a spade trick|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|kareno: Ten of hearts lead - not recommended|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: You know how I feel about doubleton leads - well DOUBLE that for doubleton honor leads|pg|| nt|ady: but after that declarer was allowed to establish 4th diamond to discard a club which the defence failed to cash|pg|| nt|kareno: Maybe it's time for these guys to have a rest.|pg|| mb|p|pc|sK|nt|kareno: His choice - he plays fine though|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s4|pg|| nt|kareno: West decides to take his plus fifty at a time|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|kareno: Specs ... think of this ... there are two of us and 3700 of you (thanks for coming!!) but if you all try to talk to me all I see is a SEA of blue :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Druhver anguishing his next play|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| nt|ady: Fleisher down in part scores in both rooms hand 8 falling behind |pg|| nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|c2|pc|s6|pc|s2|pg|| nt|kareno: It's the partscores that usually tell the tale of the match|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|h4|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c3|nt|kareno: Kit :) Happy to have company here |pg|| pc|cK|pc|s7|pc|s5|pg|| nt|kareno: Lots of hiccups in this match so far but lots of time for Fleisher to regain its bearings - they are a great team|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Zia now gets out the double card|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|dJ|nt|kareno: Pegging the dianomds - well done|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|h6|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SAT952H9842DKT5CT,SJ8HAJ6DJ82CA8753,S4HKT3DQ964CKJ642,SKQ763HQ75DA73CQ9|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|Harmon: easy to get overboard here|pg|| mb|1N|an|forcing|nt|DaMan: not after 1NT|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|DaMan: he will bid 2NT after 2D then all pass|pg|| nt|DaMan: oh|pg|| nt|DaMan: a fly in the ointment|pg|| nt|Harmon: 2n is overboard|pg|| mb|2H|nt|DaMan: but that is the was the bidding would go|pg|| mb|d|an|"cards"|nt|DaMan: how*|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|nt|debrose: Without the double, East would have bid 2@C, at which point West would have had a multitude of systemic options|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|nt|DaMan: oh no|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|nt|Vugraphzfe: michael writing long explanation to Kevin|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|d|mb|p|nt|Harmon: I think michael thot a minor by Chris|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: Kevin asks about the auction, Chris says X = cards is the last special agreement they have.|pg|| nt|Harmon: most productive lead is a d but tuff to fin d on this auction|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| nt|Harmon: shd work it out now|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|nt|debrose: Why should he have worked it out, Harmon?|pg|| pc|h2|pc|c5|pg|| nt|Harmon: If the 10 of c a true card then dec ha 5 clubs and good ht stop|pg|| nt|Harmon: but this doent hurt still has time|pg|| nt|debrose: Even if that's all true - not sure why a good heart stopper necessarily - couldn't he have had the @DT?|pg|| nt|debrose: It obviously wasn't clear to Bathurst, and I think in general to be fair to the players, one should at least explain why they *think* the should get something right|pg|| nt|Harmon: with the 2 of hts now will help must have the K of d of dble imho|pg|| nt|DaMan: it will still require some play|pg|| nt|DaMan: probably going light depends upon how many|pg|| nt|DaMan: the diamonds will come home to roost at some point|pg|| nt|debrose: I wonder if Bathurst really returned the @C6, giving declarer the option of overtaking and driving an extra club trick. Not clear he wants to anyway though|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h6|nt|DaMan: there was no udo so I suspect he did|pg|| nt|DaMan: undo*|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: I got the earlier spot wrong, declarer played @C5 on first @C trick, so 6 and 4 are equivalent|pg|| nt|debrose: Thank you|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| nt|debrose: A reminder that we can not assume the specific choice of spot or honor on Vugraph is what was really played. No matter how hard they try to get it right, the operators often can't ...|pg|| nt|debrose: see what was played|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|Harmon: will get out for d1 now|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|s6|nt|debrose: For example, on Board 7 where is was stated that declarer "should" have gotten the spades right, because the heart lead wouldn't have been made with Qxx of trump......|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|Harmon: to lose only 5 but coulda been worse|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|d3|nt|debrose: Not that I agree with that, but you also have to keep in mind that we don't know which honor West actually played|pg|| nt|debrose: Nothing against the vugraph operators - I'm told the players often make it impossible to see|pg|| pc|dT|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|d7|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s8|pc|d4|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| mc|8|nt|Harmon: lose 7 I mean|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: sometimes they just play quickly. But I like to blame it on my incompetence :)|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SJ94H87DQJ432C654,SQ852HK9542DKTCQ9,SAT7HAJ3DA98CK832,SK63HQT6D765CAJT7|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1N|mb|d|mb|r|an|relays to clubs|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|kareno: Double by east penalty, Zia intends to run to diamonds. West happy to be out of it|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: they probably play that the redouble shows a 1-suited runout, thus forcing 2@C|pg|| mb|d|nt|kareno: After doubling 1nt, east should certainly have doubled 2@c for the lead (or if Zia wanted to play there)|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: West can't take the heat|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: I guess East's double is takeout, since if penalties seems like West would have a pass. But not sure.|pg|| nt|kareno: I have no idea - but n/s happy to be out of the muck|pg|| nt|kit: Kibs confirming that East's double of 2@D is takeout|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Brink says they don't double for penalty much, there defense is not that good :)|pg|| pc|dA|nt|kareno: lol I like that style myself|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dT|pg|| nt|kareno: I don't know how far forcing the double of 1nt is. I play it that they cannot play 2 of a minor UNdoubled|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d7|nt|ady: thx all have to leave hope to see you for 3rd session|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|c4|pg|| nt|kit: with East being a passed hand and West possibly a light opener, surely there is no force involved.|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://www.acbl.org/nabc/index.php?a=2013&b=Spring&c=daily_bulletins|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|hA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Zia not very interested in this hand |pg|| pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h6|pc|d2|pg|| nt|kareno: No surprise.|pg|| nt|kareno: Neither of them is - After the ace of diamonds it was all over anyway|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Zia, come on guys I want to get to my wine|pg|| pc|h9|pc|s7|pc|cT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| mc|10|nt|kareno: A WISH TRICK!!|pg|| pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SJ94H87DQJ432C654,SQ852HK9542DKTCQ9,SAT7HAJ3DA98CK832,SK63HQT6D765CAJT7|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d4|nt|Harmon: great result in other|pg|| pc|h5|nt|Harmon: room|pg|| pc|c2|nt|DaMan: yes super|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|Harmon: dble partscore|pg|| pc|d3|pc|s5|pc|c3|pc|hT|pg|| nt|DaMan: those 6's and 7's add up|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|nt|DaMan: nicely played|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SK8H9DAT87632C543,SAJ9HQ7652DKQCAK8,SQ64HKJ83D954C762,ST7532HAT4DJCQJT9|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|nt|kareno: Perhaps this is a maximal overcall double (game try)|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|kit: difficult to diagnose that 4@S is better than 4@H|pg|| pc|sK|nt|kareno: BANG!! Great shift|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: almost instantly|pg|| nt|kit: nothing great about it -- he is simply hoping his partner has Axx of spades.|pg|| nt|kareno: East felt his hand wasn't worth the two bids to show spades and then raise hearts I suppose|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|kit: West can now suspect that North has king of hearts due to initial pass, so Q of hearts play|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|nt|kit: Now declarer will lead a heart, and will have to guess whether to play South for J9 doubleton or 98 doubleton.|pg|| pc|h4|pc|d2|pg|| nt|kit: It turns out the playing for j9 doubleton saves an undertricks|pg|| nt|kareno: Impressive trick but nothing changes|pg|| nt|kit: plus, how often do you get to win a second round of a suit with a finesse of the 4?|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SK8H9DAT87632C543,SAJ9HQ7652DKQCAK8,SQ64HKJ83D954C762,ST7532HAT4DJCQJT9|sv|o|nt|debrose: No, they are bidding board 11|pg|| mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sK|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|h4|pg|| nt|Harmon: push|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2S87HK9DA9643CAJ32,SK53HQ65DKQT5CQ85,SAQJ642H842DJ2C94,ST9HAJT73D87CKT76|sv|n|nt|kit: sorry, play on 2nd round of hearts didn't matter.|pg|| nt|kareno: We are three boards ahead of the CR|pg|| mb|1N|an|10-12|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: I'm sure Chip won't sell out|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: John Lowenthal thought I should be Alerting a natural 2@h response to 1nt :)|pg|| nt|kareno: Of course not|pg|| mb|p|pc|d8|nt|kit: With everything onside for N-S, it looks like 9 tricks.|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|s7|pg|| nt|kareno: Protecting his heart trick. Good shift|pg|| nt|kit: I think king of diamonds continuation trying to promote a trump in partner's hand is more promising.|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|nt|kit: But it isn't at all clear.|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h3|pc|d4|pc|sK|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2S87HK9DA9643CAJ32,SK53HQ65DKQT5CQ85,SAQJ642H842DJ2C94,ST9HAJT73D87CKT76|sv|n|nt|Harmon: brink that solid 10 count in other room|pg|| nt|Harmon: opened|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: you think this is slow, they're 4 boards behind in the OR|pg|| nt|DaMan: robust 10 count|pg|| nt|Harmon: not my choice but.......|pg|| nt|DaMan: -1 for a push|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|Harmon: err I dont like chris 3d opening:)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: oops, I seem to be a board ahead. They're playing 11.|pg|| nt|DaMan: In think it was 1D|pg|| mb|2D!|an|alerted|nt|Harmon: transfer|pg|| mb|d!|mb|2H|nt|Harmon: im tolf 7-9hcp|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: lots of writing on both sides of screen about 2@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: Transfer responses, both in and out of competition, are becoming more and more common|pg|| pc|c9|nt|debrose: It is imperative that partnerships have general agreements about what double means, what a cuebid means, and what pass and double means|pg|| pc|cT|nt|DaMan: Well folks I have a few things to do so now that we have a couple of commentators I am off see you later and thanks|pg|| nt|debrose: More serious partnerships may want to vary their agreements depending on the specific situation, which can make sense, but also makes it more likely you will have an accident|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|h4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3ST943HAQ76DACQJ93,SAJ72HT953D83CA85,S8HK4DKQT972CT764,SKQ65HJ82DJ654CK2|sv|b|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|kit: Rather unusual to see such a rout with only 1 double-figure swing.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: They've been minus in both rooms on a host of hands.|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg|| nt|kareno: As ever, I observe the importance of the partscore swings - getting the best of the partscores adds up quickly and wins many if not most matches|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|d2|pg|| nt|kareno: East has no interest in ruffs with his long diamonds|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|c9|pc|d8|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3ST943HAQ76DACQJ93,SAJ72HT953D83CA85,S8HK4DKQT972CT764,SKQ65HJ82DJ654CK2|sv|b|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|nt|Harmon: ruff with trump trick same diff|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c7|pc|d4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|dA|nt|Harmon: but if pard had dble ton honor wouldve worked |pg|| pc|d3|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SQJ42HAKJ82D72CT4,SA963HQ74DA93CK82,SKT87HT3DQJT4CAJ5,S5H965DK865CQ9763|sv|o|mb|p|mb|2D|an|Flannery|mb|p|nt|kit: Martel will take whatever their invite sequence is, which Zia will reject.|pg|| nt|kareno: For the record, in my four-card major partnerships I play (and it works well) Flannery|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|kareno: 3@c showing 2-2 minors and weak hand should end it at 3@s|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kareno: And also for the record, I am the original author of the comment, "Flannery will get you nowhere"|pg|| pc|c3|nt|kareno: 2nt is a distribution relay, 3@c shows 4-5-2-2 minimum|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Zia: If we go down, we're going back to weak 2 bids|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| nt|kit: This could get sticky on the 4-1 spade split, as he has off the top only 1 diamond, 2 clubs, 2 hearts, and 3 spades.|pg|| pc|c9|nt|kareno: Diamond away - may help all that.|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c2|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|nt|kit: pitching losers doesn't establish winners.|pg|| pc|s2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|s8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|s4|pc|dA|pg|| nt|kareno: An extra ruff is a winner, no?|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|s6|nt|kit: but the red suits lie very favorably for the crossruff approach, so he makes an overtrick.|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c6|pg|| nt|Finch: the k n r evaluator is at http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SQJ42HAKJ82D72CT4,SA963HQ74DA93CK82,SKT87HT3DQJT4CAJ5,S5H965DK865CQ9763|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|an|alerted|mb|p|mb|3S|an|minimum|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|debrose: Note that Zia-Chip play Flannery, an often maligned convention. So do E-W at this table, as well as at least a couple of other world class pairs|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|nt|debrose: It seems the 4-1 trump split won't hurt declarer, because the defense just doesn't have more than four tricks. They need to shift to a club, then cash the diamond, just to be sure ...|pg|| nt|debrose: of getting those|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c7|pc|sJ|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|nt|debrose: Of course declarer doesn't see the cards. From his point of view, the diamonds could have been 5-2. He also doesn't know where the @S9 is to play as a crossruff|pg|| pc|sK|mc|9|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SJ753H983DJ42C754,SQHKQ754DK9763C63,SA9HT62DQT8CKJ982,SKT8642HAJDA5CAQT|sv|n|nt|kareno: Didn't he make four?|pg|| nt|kit: that's what I thought|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi?hand=K1087+10x++QJ104+AJ5 11.1|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: No ruffed with K and claimed 3|pg|| nt|kareno: He had a high cross ruff to drive the ace of trumps|pg|| nt|kareno: Oh, no more diamond to ruff?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|kareno: If he claimed three he gets three since he could play it to make only that|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: 3@C call seems odd, unless it is conventional.|pg|| mb|p|nt|kareno: Curious indeed. Maybe he had a spade with his clubs?|pg|| nt|kit: he might have ruffed the third round of diamonds high -- safest for contract.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Confiirmed with the players 14 made 3|pg|| nt|kareno: Thanks :)|pg|| nt|kareno: Let's hope this match doesn't come down to 1 IMP!!|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|d3|pc|s9|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SJ753H983DJ42C754,SQHKQ754DK9763C63,SA9HT62DQT8CKJ982,SKT8642HAJDA5CAQT|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|an|!H|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Harmon: pretty flat bd here|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sQ|nt|debrose: They've presumably been warned by the director about time, but not sure which side if either is more at fault. And even if I were sure, I think I'd be seen as biased:)|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| nt|Harmon: Thats rite Deb you like Kevin:)|pg|| nt|Harmon: cause hes named after a street in Toronto|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: director hasn't said anything|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|d3|pc|s9|pg|| nt|debrose: Oh thanks, I'm surprised. Especially earlier when they were way behind|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|d7|pc|c2|pg|| nt|debrose: Around board 9 or 10 things seemed to speed up substantially|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SAJ3H97643DT85CQ8,S98542HK2DQ76CAKT,SQT76HQJTDJ32C976,SKHA85DAK94CJ5432|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|an|relay|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|kareno: 6@c may make on the lie of the cards but I'm betting on 3nt|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: 6@c only needs Qx of clubs and 3-3 diamonds basically -- not too much to ask|pg|| mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| nt|kit: Of course 3NT isn't even cold -- but as cards lie will make easily.|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|dT|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg|| mc|11|nt|kareno: So that's it for this quarter. I imagine the room will be kept open for results. Great set by the Dutch!!|pg|| nt|kareno: Thanks, Kit and see you later.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Restart should bein about 20 minutes or so|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SAJ3H97643DT85CQ8,S98542HK2DQ76CAKT,SQT76HQJTDJ32C976,SKHA85DAK94CJ5432|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfe: director just told them that next quarter starts in about 15 min|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfe: 2 minutes on the clock, so they're not way behind|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|debrose: No, not anymore. |pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h6|pc|s5|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|h3|pc|s2|nt|debrose: Note that Willenken risked losing to stiff Q of clubs, rather than give the info that cashing a club, then crossing in diamonds would give (helping opps find spade shift if club ...|pg|| nt|debrose: lost)|pg|| pc|s6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d9|pc|h4|mc|11|nt|debrose: I guess he might also need that entry to set up the fifth club sometimes if Qxxx is onside, and he decides to play for the spades to be blocked, rather than diamonds to come|pg|| pg||