vg|VS 2012 Spingold Final,Segment 2 of 4,I,17,32,Monaco,36,Nickell,21| rs|6DE=,3NE+3,3HN-1,2SS-1,2DWx-1,2SS+2,4HN-2,3DW=,2SN+1,1NN-1,3NE+1,3NE=,4SE-1,4SE=,2NW=,1NW=,3CN+1,3SW-2,3NE-2,3DW+1,1NS+1,3CN=,7HS=,7SEx-8,5DN-1,3NN-1,2SW+1,3HN-2,3CE-2,3CE-3,4DE-2,5DE-3| pn|Fantoni,Meckstroth,Nunes,Rodwell,Katz,Zimmermann,Nickell,Multon|pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3S82HJ754D763CAK73,SAT7654HAKQ96D5C6,SKQ93HT82D82CT952,SJH3DAKQJT94CQJ84|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfu: we are ready to go|pg|| nt|bigtrain: hi roland|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|nt|bigtrain: 1@D = 2+ 10-15 the so-called nebulous diamond|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: NS http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2012EuropeanTeams-Dublin/OpenTeams/Monaco/fantoni-nunes.pdf|pg|| mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: EW http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2009WorldTeams-Brazil/BermudaBowl/usa2/meckstroth-rodwell.pdf|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ady: hi all|pg|| nt|bigtrain: it will be very tough to bid this slam|pg|| nt|ahollan1: does 3@D say anything about @S length?|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: no|pg|| nt|bigtrain: although there is an inference that it is <3 since a shapely hand with 3 has offer tracks|pg|| nt|bigtrain: yes on second look a @S lead will beat slam|pg|| nt|ahollan1: voice commentary via browser login OR without login via [bookmark this] http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php|pg|| nt|ritong: needs Xray specs with@c AK though|pg|| nt|ritong: but perhaps fantoni has them on|pg|| mb|4H|nt|bigtrain: seems like a squeeze vs S is possible|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|nt|barnets: no sure spade lead beats slam|pg|| nt|barnets: not sure|pg|| nt|bigtrain: after they cash 1 @C squeeze works|pg|| nt|barnets: east runs his trumps|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: but on an initial @S lead it doesnt|pg|| nt|bigtrain: im talking myself into believing it always makes :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Nunes asking what 4@H would have been over 3@D -- answer RKC|pg|| mb|6D|nt|bigtrain: y|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: ok so now, fantoni has a lot of informations|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: agreement by all the 4@H was slow|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Zimmermann also thinking over 3N rebid in other room|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@D says nothing about suit solidity|pg|| nt|ritong: he knows dummy has @c shortage|pg|| nt|ritong: and at least a trump|pg|| nt|ritong: 5521 or 6511|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| nt|barnets: now dec can set up long heart in dummy|pg|| nt|ritong: so he carefully avoids a top @c lead|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|s4|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg|| nt|rimbus: nice effort|pg|| nt|barnets: by ruffing and using @SA as entry|pg|| nt|psyck: @s lead would have been more interesting, but South cannot guard rounded suits|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c3|pc|c6|nt|ritong: i think @s lead does not beat it anyways|pg|| nt|ritong: for the reason CK just mentioned|pg|| nt|barnets: lets say dec cashes 7 diamonds|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|barnets: south keeps the @CA and 4 hearts|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s6|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|c4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|c8|nt|barnets: if he plays a club though then south must shift a diamond|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| mc|12|nt|barnets: then south is squeezed|pg|| pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3S82HJ754D763CAK73,SAT7654HAKQ96D5C6,SKQ93HT82D82CT952,SJH3DAKQJT94CQJ84|sv|o|nt|henryb: Hello operator|pg|| nt|xenya: Here we go|pg|| nt|psyck: Hello everyone|pg|| nt|barnets: hi all|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Hello!|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|nt|Vugraphzfv: Welcome back everyone. |pg|| nt|ritong: hi ken hi all|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: to the 2nd segment of Cayne-Zimmermann|pg|| mb|p|nt|santyclz2: Just what s wanted to hear.|pg|| mb|1S|nt|3for3: Hi all|pg|| nt|fabsayc: good day all|pg|| mb|p|nt|osvaill83: probably start with a routine 3nt :)|pg|| nt|kit: hi Danny|pg|| mb|3D|nt|fabsayc: hi Henry|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Hello all|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: Hi everyone, sorry for earlier snafu. :) the ladies are ready and alert.|pg|| nt|psyck: not likely to bid much higher|pg|| mb|3H|nt|grebrof: only (sort of) surprise yesterday was 3rd seed Diamond being beaten by Levine - allthou they also have a strong team - this event surely has a lot of strong players|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: how guys|pg|| nt|bigtrain: hi guys|pg|| nt|leo lasota: interesting hand to start the set here|pg|| mb|3N|nt|reisig: Nice to start w a nothing hand :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: only lead to set 6D here would be a spade lead from 2 small|pg|| nt|leo lasota: on spade lead, if declarer ducks queen clubs, Katz must play heart to break up squeeze|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but then again, he can then cash 3 hearts, ruff to hand and ruff club|pg|| nt|leo lasota: very fortunate layout for the declarer here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: with one hand holding the AK clubs and the 4th heart|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 6@d is cold isnt it?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: and the hearts splitting 43|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: on @s lead you play @c|pg|| nt|leo lasota: so yes slam is "cold" :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: and south must play back both a heart to break up squeeze and a trump to stop ruff in dummy|pg|| nt|leo lasota: right; he only gets to lead once a trick :(|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: tough decision here for zimmerman|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: jenny wolpert thought a long time before making her 2S bid.|pg|| nt|kit: So much for the routine 3NT|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 2@H not at all forward going|pg|| nt|pelu: EW system: http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2012europeanteams-dublin/openteams/monaco/helgemo-helness.pdf|pg|| nt|barnets: no lead gives dec any problems|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: ok, 1st prediction down the drain, EW go for blood|pg|| nt|phil: hi everyone|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: hi|pg|| nt|phil: same lead in OR|pg|| nt|psyck: didn't expect 2@s from S|pg|| nt|ritong: the contract does not present any choice|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: that seems to have helped EW find the game|pg|| nt|barnets: and 4@H is a good contract|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Welcome back all|pg|| pc|cA|nt|Vugraphzfv: all the way up?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: huge pickup in other oom by meckwell|pg|| nt|leo lasota: room|pg|| pc|c6|nt|vugraphzfv: This segment will have 16 boards. |pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Jenny looks gorgeous when she is deep in thought. Hopefully gavin (of bridgewinners.com) can share a pic of them soon.|pg|| pc|c5|nt|fabsayc: this will take a lot of good guessing to make|pg|| nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| nt|barnets: in open room north passed south opened 2@H and it went all pass|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|phil: Rosenberg ducked, diamond returned...not that anything really matters on this layout|pg|| nt|barnets: making most of the time when opener has @SA|pg|| nt|barnets: East really had a 3@H bid countng @SK as a trick|pg|| pc|s8|nt|3for3: Might it be a good message to go for blood on first board?|pg|| pc|sA|nt|kit: Declarer has 4 trump tricks and a spade trick. The sixth trick will depend on the spade guess.|pg|| nt|riccho: http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/2012Dublin/systems/OpenTeams/Monaco/helgemo-helness.pdf|pg|| nt|xenya: can get out for -2|pg|| nt|ritong: so first blood to zimboum|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: nice quiet board to start|pg|| pc|s3|nt|xenya: and he is likely to get spades right|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| nt|barnets: this resulted in a surprising swing to Monaco right off the bat|pg|| pc|d5|nt|vugraphzfv: darn i actually have the seating all wrong |pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: oh nevermind its corect|pg|| nt|kit: Trump lead often right on low-level double partial, and even though it may have cost a trump trick the trick comes back from preventing ruffs.|pg|| pc|d2|nt|grebrof: lead perfect|pg|| nt|pelu: CC for EW: http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2012europeanteams-dublin/openteams/monaco/helgemo-helness.pdf|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: sorry, not sure if there are comentators|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 1@C = 16+ any|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@H natursl GF|pg|| pc|dA|nt|barnets: West had a good 17 points but elected not to bid|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|barnets: in fact in other room east cued an raised to 3@H|pg|| nt|psyck: doubling and bidding over a minimum response already showed a big hand...|pg|| nt|warrens: once S won the K of @Cs (the normal play), it seemed likely that Levin would guess the @S's correctly|pg|| nt|santyclz2: That whirring noise you hear is Harold Berlin spinning in his grave.|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|s4|pc|d8|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4@S is RKC|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|nt|kit: Now declarer has to read the spade position. East has shown up with king of clubs, and didn't open the bidding. |pg|| nt|kit: Also, even if he gets it right, danger of being forced in hearts and not able to enjoy the second spade trick.|pg|| nt|3for3: still leaves 7/8 points in his hand somewhere|pg|| nt|3for3: win 4/ lose 2 depending on that 6th trick|pg|| nt|barnets: a big diff in valuation |pg|| pc|s5|nt|leo lasota: +920, -490 for Nickell team = win 10 imps|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| nt|reisig: 490|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|c3|nt|fabsayc: same contract in open room|pg|| nt|leo lasota: back to 5 imp difference|pg|| pc|s6|nt|barnets: 2@H|pg|| pc|h8|pg|| nt|warrens: also, there's an inference when North doesn't lead a @S that he might have the Ace.|pg|| pc|dT|nt|kit: Zia has chosen to not play spades and hope the opponents have to break the suit. But I don't think they will have to do so.|pg|| nt|3for3: cant he ruff this and exit heart?|pg|| nt|kit: yes, I guess he can -- or ruff this, ruff heart, exit with diamond|pg|| nt|ritong: hi again, ken|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Harold was a fanatic about "Never lead dummy's long suit!"|pg|| nt|barnets: 2@H will drift down a few|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s7|nt|barnets: perhaps Nickell hoped his partner would reopen|pg|| nt|leo lasota: South should just concede now :)|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| nt|barnets: but that seemed unlikely taking into account his strenght|pg|| pc|d9|pc|cK|mc|12|nt|kit: Or he can just keep discarding -- both lines work.|pg|| nt|barnets: first blood to Monaco|pg|| nt|leo lasota: there we go|pg|| pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4ST5432HK732DJ93C6,SJ98HJ98DAQ82CJT3,SAQ7HAT54DK64CK74,SK6HQ6DT75CAQ9852|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: Zimmermann in tank over 3N even longer than Meckstroth|pg|| nt|barnets: in clubs and hearts|pg|| nt|ahollan1: still hasn't bid|pg|| mb|2C|nt|bigtrain: 2@C = 6+@C 10-15|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: comes out of tank with .... PASS|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3N in other room|pg|| nt|barnets: so Walter was right all along|pg|| mb|2N|nt|bigtrain: 2NT = 2way either weak @C raise or GF with non-fitting 55+|pg|| mb|d|nt|Vugraphzfu: second choice Rodwell wrote is 6+ major GF|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d5|pc|d9|nt|ahollan1: does Rodwell PASS over DBL imply minimum?|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@C would show extra offense and XX extra defense|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm wondering what happens to auction if he'd rebid 3@C|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| nt|ady: worked that one out|pg|| nt|ahollan1: zimmermann-multon play mini-nt in this situation Katz in 2@S south |pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|nt|bigtrain: sounds fine to me john|pg|| nt|ady: this for sure down 1|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|c2|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|cK|mc|8|pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4ST5432HK732DJ93C6,SJ98HJ98DAQ82CJT3,SAQ7HAT54DK64CK74,SK6HQ6DT75CAQ9852|sv|n|nt|vugraphzfv: 2 of the small discards (for jill meyers) were wrong on vugraph, apologies. But did not affect the outcome. |pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: players now discussing the board|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: now they've picked up their cards.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: levin says "we should just play open notes"|pg|| nt|fabsayc: catch up board|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: hello. only score is accurate cos we started late|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: hi|pg|| nt|psyck: indeed|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: players cracking jokes about their no trump overcalls|pg|| nt|barnets: Lauria cued and bid 3@H closer to the valuation I think|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 5@C = 1-4|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 5@D asks Q|pg|| nt|leo lasota: precision 2C opener in other room for Meckwell here|pg|| mb|1N|nt|phil: so what to open on an 8-4 :)? |pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: you don't see these hands in textbooks|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: west hand not ideal for 2nt overcall|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: actually its cos this table has to connect after the other table, and our players started playing way before the other table.|pg|| nt|ritong: multon will find this weird, but...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: zimmermann thinking about a major lead, asks if 1N can contain a 5cM|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 5NT trumpQ +1 king|pg|| mb|d|nt|barnets: so 4@H in open also|pg|| mb|2C|nt|fabsayc: shape ok, but a lot of defense|pg|| mb|p|an|forcing|nt|phil: Zimmerman had to be tempted to bid 6@d here|pg|| nt|phil: it cant be that expensive, and who knows who makes what? |pg|| nt|phil: yet, partner's 5@d made them guess|pg|| nt|phil: maybe East should x 5@h? he has some surprise defense|pg|| nt|phil: although I'm not really clear what a w/w 5m opening is supposed to show|pg|| nt|phil: but definitely not KQTx in a side major :)|pg|| nt|phil: NS appear to have four losers, but it seems like they would have a hard time taking all four|pg|| nt|phil: give east Axxx of clubs, and 6@d actually makes - but so does 6M (probably)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: pass-pass-dbl-pass-2S|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: do we know what fleischer's double shows|pg|| mb|d|nt|3for3: if defense cashes out, declarer down 1. if they dont, declarer will try diamond hook and go off 2|pg|| nt|kit: After spade and a spade, East can't really play to set up diamonds by ruffing since 2 of hearts is dummy's third heart|pg|| nt|kit: So he might take diamond finesse and go down 2.|pg|| nt|kit: On the other hand, if Martel doesn't have the king of diamonds it seems like he should find the club shift.|pg|| nt|3for3: with it, no reason to, unless declarer has KQx@S|pg|| nt|kit: Yes, declarer could be KQx, AQJxxxx, --, xxx.|pg|| nt|grebrof: ruffing out the K of @d i clearly a better chance than the cut with @s switch|pg|| nt|grebrof: continuance I mean|pg|| nt|kit: This shows the danger of the ambiguous 10 of spades lead when it might be interior sequence and might be top -- partner often doesn't know which to play for.|pg|| nt|phil: this will compress one of the losers|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 6@C should be gran slam interest asking about @C holding|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: those interested in voice commentary pls go to www.bridgebase.com and use the new bbo version. henry bethe is commenting|pg|| nt|ritong: there is room for one jack in multon's hand|pg|| nt|leo lasota: interesting lead prob for West, but jack clubs seems right on auction|pg|| nt|reisig: May just bid 3@c|pg|| mb|2S|nt|psyck: I don't think W can try 3N, will likely bid on|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: at that point, nothing makes|pg|| nt|warrens: N's double shows @D's and @H tolerance, so it's easy for Berkowitz to bid 3@D vulnerable|pg|| mb|p|nt|barnets: he does not know partner has just 1 club|pg|| nt|psyck: tough to stop in a @d partial after 2@c anyway|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: closed room lineup is the same as the 2nd session|pg|| nt|warrens: this can't be beaten if declarer reads the cards right. has to hold up once in @H's and finesse the @C 10|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: I think Martel will just come back a spade -- bigger danger declarer has ace of clubs|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: just penalty worth hand|pg|| nt|ritong: your lead, michael|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: fell asleep|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: must've not caught the 1@S|pg|| nt|kit: difficult opening lead for Levin here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 4th from longest and strongest works well|pg|| mb|p|nt|barnets: and is hoping clubs run|pg|| nt|barnets: lucky heart split for declarer gives him a chance to make|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3343 shape argues against bidding 3C; and he is still not sure how much the other way may make|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|fabsayc: zimmerman double was either brave or foolhardy|pg|| nt|ritong: a small swing to fleisher, presumably|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Levin will likely do just that Warren|pg|| nt|kit: He found the winning lead -- now declarer will have to guess which finesse to take for 8|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ritong: south might pass other room, 1NT west swish @s lead 90|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c6|pg|| nt|leo lasota: switch the king clubs in dummy with a working card in the majors and 4 major may be cold|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c7|nt|kit: wrong again|pg|| nt|phil: so an undoubled vulnerable save against a making 5@d'|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|3for3: even playing 0/2 leads, wouldn't know if his honor was Q or K|pg|| nt|barnets: dummy has 3 discs to make 2 spades and a club|pg|| nt|barnets: dec will then KO @DA cash a black AK and uess his finesse|pg|| nt|barnets: guess|pg|| nt|barnets: his finesse|pg|| nt|kit: Note the play of the 9 of hearts -- Now Levin is afraid that declarer started with 109xx|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| nt|kit: Anyway, this speeds things up.|pg|| nt|ritong: when this will go down 2 effortless|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h3|nt|Walddk4: Welcome to Vladimir Ivanov|pg|| nt|phil: Fleisher should view this as a +5 or a +8 plus position|pg|| nt|phil: hi |pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3 rounds hearts here to get count on hand|pg|| pc|h9|nt|xenya: hello everyone|pg|| nt|xenya: hi Phil|pg|| pc|hA|nt|kit: of course Weinstein has a problem exiting -- he may be afraid that a diamond shift will guess the diamonds for declarer|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| nt|barnets: but a spade is safe|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|nt|leo lasota: ruff exit 3rd heart works as well|pg|| nt|leo lasota: reopeated endplays by Katz here|pg|| pc|d3|nt|xenya: NS in 1N next door -- going 1 off|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|d5|nt|Vugraphzfv: sorry, something went weird and they went x, -1 instead|pg|| pc|d9|nt|barnets: as it turns out|pg|| nt|leo lasota: well done by katz|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: hasnt made it yet|pg|| nt|leo lasota: if zimmerman shows all those HCP, Multon is marked king spade|pg|| nt|reisig: He'll get the @s right|pg|| nt|leo lasota: win ace cash heart then low diamond only losing option presented|pg|| nt|leo lasota: likely 4 imps for Nickell here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: unless Zimmerman gives the losing option and Katz falls for it|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: if he makes its 5|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 160 is 4..|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: indeed it is but the difference will be 210|pg|| nt|leo lasota: oops vul of course :)|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|xenya: i'm really surprised W didn't bid 6@D|pg|| nt|phil: my daughter was getting her wisdom teeth out during the 1Q - looks like I missed some interesting boards|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: very interesting boards on the 1Q|pg|| nt|phil: well, its not like -2 is a great possibility|pg|| nt|ritong: so i presume south overcalled|pg|| nt|kit: Yes, but now declarer will be able to take the spade finesse safely, and when it loses he can still fall back on the club guess|pg|| pc|dK|pg|| nt|santyclz2: A slight hint that n has the @c q as if he were xxx in both suits he might have exited a @c. Very slight.|pg|| nt|barnets: so a great shift if South had Qx spade giving dec a losing option|pg|| nt|barnets: were he originally to cash the @SAK before taking club fin|pg|| nt|leo lasota: ok no losing opeiton|pg|| nt|leo lasota: tie match|pg|| pc|d4|nt|warrens: I think Levin will cash all the @S's to get a better count. in the end he'll finesse|pg|| nt|leo lasota: With Berk marked with just the KQ hearts and jack clubs thusfar, Levin will know that the only other HCP are the Q diamonds; Berk has overcalled and taken free 3D bid; therefore he will play for 55 shape in Berk's hand rather than 1543|pg|| pc|d7|nt|reisig: Any bets?|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|kit: The 10 of spades shift might convince declarer that North has 109x, and he may try the spade finesse unsuccessfully|pg|| nt|barnets: as he was planning to do|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|dT|pc|h2|pg|| nt|leo lasota: diamond pitch then diamon|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|sK|pc|h7|pg|| nt|leo lasota: very well done |pg|| pc|c2|nt|barnets: I think he will guess it |pg|| pc|s4|nt|leo lasota: excel;lent push by Zimmerman/Multon; outstanding|pg|| pc|s8|nt|barnets: wrong|pg|| pc|sQ|pg|| pc|sA|nt|warrens: Kwiecen misguessed the @S's on the last hand because rodwell only bid 2@S, not 3@H,so the match is tight once again|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Levin in the tank|pg|| nt|warrens: Levin is a terrific declarer, but he's going to put us to sleep. A card, PLEASE.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Head in his hands...cards on the table|pg|| nt|warrens: same line at the other table. Declarer did get it right by finessing in @C's.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Now cards in hand...|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|nt|warrens: hurray|pg|| pc|s9|pg|| nt|reisig: I bet on a finesse :) sometime this year |pg|| mc|7|nt|leo lasota: much harder to set 2 level in 8 card fit then 3 level in 8 card fit :)|pg|| pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SKQT873HAQ8DCQ432,S62H962DAKJ965CJ8,SAJHK543DQ7432C75,S954HJT7DT8CAKT96|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: does 2@S make?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: we'll see al :)|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ady: will need to handle spades well|pg|| mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = forcing, 14+ [or good 12/13] 5+suit|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: also could be 11+ with 4+@H|pg|| mb|p|nt|ady: 1 or 2 spades 1 heart 2 diamonds 1 club |pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|barnets: 4@S is 420|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: the way the minors suit cards are placed n/s can make 3NT|pg|| nt|barnets: 2@DX is 200|pg|| pc|d2|nt|barnets: well 4@S is easy too|pg|| pc|d8|pc|s3|nt|ritong: an engaged decision by nunes|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 18 2@S also -1|pg|| pc|d5|pg|| nt|ady: with hearts 3-3 yes |pg|| nt|ahollan1: Nickell made negative DBL|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cQ|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sK|pc|dK|pc|h3|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d6|nt|psyck: @sA lead could have fetched 500, but defense may still let it off for 200 even after then|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cT|mc|7|nt|ahollan1: Katz stops in 2@S|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Meck: " thank you partner for having something -- I was nervous"|pg|| nt|ritong: not sure it will be plus, but at least it went down|pg|| pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SKQT873HAQ8DCQ432,S62H962DAKJ965CJ8,SAJHK543DQ7432C75,S954HJT7DT8CAKT96|sv|e|nt|grebrof: for those wondering - there are no running scores - they dont even use bridgemates Im told, so result will be posted here : http://bridgewinners.com/ after each session|pg|| nt|phil: oh|pg|| nt|phil: yeah, 6@d is definitely possible|pg|| nt|fabsayc: against a very weak nt, after norths double transfer bids by south give more options|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: laughter about how they have special double cards for penalty and marked ones for takeout|pg|| nt|ritong: cayne does not open these hands|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Levin: sorry if I played too fast|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 4S makes here with the 33 hearts|pg|| mb|1S|nt|leo lasota: even on trump leads preventing club ruff(s)|pg|| mb|2D|nt|3for3: ew might sniff around at slam here|pg|| nt|phil: I like 1@d. I loathe 2N|pg|| nt|xenya: perhaps he was afraid of pushing NS to a makeable slam?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: hi again|pg|| nt|psyck: NS CC: http://usbf.org/images/conventioncards/cayne-seamon.jpg|pg|| mb|d|nt|phil: for sure|pg|| nt|phil: as I said before you arrived - Multon's 5@d have his opps a tough guess - and they might have guessed wrongly|pg|| nt|phil: *gave|pg|| nt|ritong: guess multon will opt for 2@h|pg|| nt|ritong: his game prospects are thin|pg|| mb|r|nt|kit: They have a lot of high cards for sure|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: *just -1|pg|| nt|ritong: nonetheless...|pg|| nt|reisig: This looks like 4@s X|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Funny comment by Levin there... Not sure if any bridge player could ever play too fast for Sontag :)|pg|| nt|barnets: 4 imps fo Nickell when thy made 3@D in othe room|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 64 bid more..|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: even 3NT makes on this layout ;)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: playing strength wotrth 3S call|pg|| mb|2S|nt|phil: if Kamil bid 5@d (and why shouldn't he?) the spades would have been buried|pg|| nt|phil: now Zimmerman can pattern out|pg|| nt|warrens: this might go down 800 if the defense stays off of @C's|pg|| mb|p|nt|warrens: 500 on a @C lead|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Does Nickell give a raise?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: queen diamonds value is sketchy at best|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: they like their 3nt|pg|| nt|kit: The 2@C overcall will keep them out of any slam|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Levin concerned about possibly missing vul slam here if he passes|pg|| nt|reisig: 5@d seems kinda "normal"|pg|| nt|kit: The 3@C bid is somewhat conservative as Levin doesn't need much to make a game.|pg|| nt|barnets: but unsuccessfull|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: true, but from helgemo's POV cant east hace a stiff club?|pg|| nt|barnets: this a better 3N|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: will correct 34|pg|| nt|reisig: @c will NOT be led|pg|| nt|leo lasota: But in the end, he makes good decision to pass and take the plus score|pg|| nt|warrens: I think Weinstein will high low in trump here, to show his @H king |pg|| pc|dA|nt|fabsayc: i dont like 3@S|pg|| nt|phil: maybe he though partner had heart support I guess|pg|| nt|xenya: yes, 5@H was a bold bid, in the jaws of unfavourable vulnurability |pg|| nt|phil: yeah - along with some nice defense too|pg|| nt|kit: 3NT also reasonable, and also unsuccessful|pg|| nt|leo lasota: good result in other room by Meckwell escaping for 200|pg|| pc|d2|nt|fabsayc: solo|pg|| nt|xenya: all in all well done by both sides on the last hand|pg|| nt|phil: agree|pg|| nt|phil: 4@h does not handle well|pg|| nt|phil: he's tapped down to parity at T1|pg|| nt|xenya: unlike 4@S?|pg|| nt|phil: if hearts break OK, he can manage 4H + 5S + 1C and doesn't need the club hook|pg|| nt|phil: in spades can't you take 5S in hand, 3 ruffs in dummy plus two aces? |pg|| nt|xenya: unless they lead a trump|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 5D down 1 is certainly better for N/S than 3nt down 5|pg|| nt|reisig: So - 1 IMP|pg|| nt|leo lasota: -1 or a push|pg|| pc|dT|nt|xenya: in the other room, N didn't get in -- still, S found a @C lead against 4@S|pg|| nt|kit: he can, but even then there might not be 12 tricks.|pg|| nt|phil: yes that may cause difficulties - but maybe declarer can make something out of the heart suit then|pg|| nt|ritong: awful hand to lead from|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|kit: Well, somebody can make 3NT ...|pg|| nt|leo lasota: I believe this will be a push now|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Zimmerman may be thinking of layouts to set 2|pg|| nt|leo lasota: and therefore may switch to heart whwne in with club rather than trump|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: katz is asking about his opponents methods|pg|| pc|c4|nt|3for3: q of clubs was the q of hearts, and slam is laydown|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "We have some bad news" - Cayne|pg|| nt|bigtrain: have to admit i would have accepted the invite|pg|| nt|bigtrain: and would have been wrong on this hand|pg|| nt|leo lasota: or Multon may win club and lead jack hearts for same reason (try to set 2)|pg|| pc|c8|nt|barnets: 6@C poor contract|pg|| nt|leo lasota: +800 for E/W here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| nt|reisig: Having bid 1NT - I's avoid bidding 3NT|pg|| pc|c5|nt|bigtrain: 15-17 as far as i know|pg|| nt|warrens: he wants his partner to know it's safe to shift to @H's from the King|pg|| nt|warrens: ok, went for 800 at the other table. likely same thing here.|pg|| nt|barnets: who said no double bo trouble|pg|| nt|barnets: no trouble|pg|| nt|kit: Give West the ace of hearts, and 3NT is the winner.|pg|| pc|cT|pg|| nt|bigtrain: but N is way better than 15|pg|| pc|s5|nt|fabsayc: needs to guess the spades|pg|| nt|kit: I don't really see What Helgemo can bid but 4@S|pg|| nt|fabsayc: we are in sync with open room, almost equivalent auctions|pg|| nt|reisig: 800 as expected - is a push |pg|| pc|s7|nt|3for3: of course east has some other big assets too; like the 5th trump|pg|| nt|grebrof: or the @C Q was the @c A ;)|pg|| nt|kit: A Q-bid would presumably be searching for best strain, so that won't help|pg|| nt|reisig: Would E bid 3@h with no @h ace?|pg|| nt|kit: Heart shift will be trivial to find, and Weinstein will go up king as only chance to make|pg|| nt|barnets: he rates to have the @HA yes |pg|| pc|s2|nt|kit: Maybe 5@S, focusing attention on club control at the slight risk of going down there.|pg|| nt|bigtrain: K&R = 16.55|pg|| nt|bigtrain: spot cards are huge here|pg|| nt|bigtrain: takes little more than the @DQ onside|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Rodwell almost ready to play...|pg|| nt|warrens: declarer might play @Cs now, hoping for Hx in East|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| nt|psyck: but the finesses are in :)|pg|| pc|c7|nt|leo lasota: Multon gets it right and plays the trump for 1 imp gain; well done|pg|| pc|cK|nt|phil: so there may be some counters - hard to say who comes out on top|pg|| nt|phil: but overall 4@s looks worlds better than 4@h|pg|| nt|phil: ruffing looks a little better here - the diamond suit is tied up if he does|pg|| pc|c3|nt|ritong: in reality, zia passed the 12 count as east, south opened 1NT, was left there and apprently made 8 tricks|pg|| nt|xenya: yes, they |pg|| nt|barnets: on a heart lead needs a red king guess and club guess|pg|| nt|psyck: likely down as may not take @c fin|pg|| pc|cJ|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 1 less finesse needed|pg|| nt|barnets: the percentage in clubs is from the top|pg|| pc|s4|nt|xenya: in any case, i wholly agree with what you said about the 2N bid, Phil -- E's hand just doesn't qualify|pg|| nt|warrens: that was his only entry to dummy, so he had to try right away|pg|| pc|s8|nt|phil: but if he draws the last trump, what does he pitch from dummy? |pg|| pc|s6|nt|psyck: excellent, then went up from 25 % to 50 % :)|pg|| nt|ritong: cayne: "ow"|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| nt|phil: now the hand falls apart|pg|| nt|xenya: W"S rather|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|sT|pc|d5|pg|| nt|ritong: it is clear for him that declarer would never find the @hs by himself|pg|| nt|barnets: maybe 5@D is a better contract|pg|| pc|sK|nt|barnets: 51D in the open |pg|| nt|barnets: 5@D will be a swing t Monaco|pg|| nt|barnets: of 5 imps|pg|| nt|kit: not a big swing though|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|s9|pg|| nt|ritong: so his lead was not as neutral as it looked|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|barnets: so he followed the pecentage|pg|| pc|d9|nt|pelu: CC for EW: http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2012europeanteams-dublin/openteams/monaco/helgemo-helness.pdf|pg|| pc|d7|mc|10|nt|xenya: failed to cash A and K whrn they already had 5 tricks|pg|| pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SJT9HJ9542DAQCK86,S74H8DKT87632C975,SA632HAQ73DJ5CJ43,SKQ85HKT6D94CAQT2|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 12-14 hcp, includes 4441 and 5422 [but not 54 majors]|pg|| mb|d|an|cards 14+|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: X is cards|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 14+|pg|| mb|3D|nt|ady: n/s will finish in heart part score I would think|pg|| nt|bigtrain: al whats the pass by S?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|an|forward going|nt|ady: 3@D just makes|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i believe 1N opener will only pass if 4333|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d9|nt|ritong: pushy, when @d K rates to be offside|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s9|pg|| nt|ritong: and other importants cards too, inferentially|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ritong: but hey|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ritong: vulnerable, etc|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ady: looks like 200|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|d3|pg|| nt|bigtrain: looks -2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|dT|nt|bigtrain: so 1 loser disappears|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|s3|nt|ady: should beable to pitch a club on a spade|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|d6|pc|s6|pg|| mc|8|nt|ahollan1: other room Zimmermann 3@D-end|pg|| pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SJT9HJ9542DAQCK86,S74H8DKT87632C975,SA632HAQ73DJ5CJ43,SKQ85HKT6D94CAQT2|sv|b|nt|vugraphzfv: valarie a bit unhappy. but still composed|pg|| nt|3for3: the danger of 3d round overruff if partner has xx of clubs and no jack of spades is quite real tho|pg|| nt|barnets: note Cayne played low on club without a flicker|pg|| nt|barnets: you might ask why helness crossed to dummy|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 1@C = 16+ any|pg|| nt|warrens: Larry Cohen is on his way (I hope to this table). the 4@S bid violated the law of total tricks and cost 4 imps|pg|| mb|3D|nt|barnets: to lead @CJ|pg|| nt|psyck: he was prepared to play low during the bidding itself|pg|| nt|reisig: Law???|pg|| nt|leo lasota: matter of partnership agreement whether or not to preempt 3D at red all with just the king|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: zimmermann did a thumbs down to katz to describe his pre-empt|pg|| mb|p|nt|barnets: maybe cayne had not his morning coffee yet|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: no superfluous conversation in this room.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: all very focused|pg|| nt|phil: in the other room in 4@s, declarer started to finesse in clubs, and then chickened out - South ruffed, returned a trump, and that was that|pg|| nt|xenya: in 4@S in the other room, Rosenberg opted for a very unfortunate line|pg|| nt|phil: but he will be pleased to learn he won 3|pg|| nt|bigtrain: (anticipating the upgrde) :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|osvaill83: undo|pg|| nt|3for3: missing a pass|pg|| nt|xenya: sorry Phil :)|pg|| nt|phil: :)|pg|| nt|phil: 3N is excellent NS|pg|| nt|fabsayc: many possible bids by south|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 1@S = 5+@H GF|pg|| nt|bigtrain: hmmm - roddy could have also chosen 3@C|pg|| pc|c3|nt|kit: I agree -- that's why I think he has to just bid 4@S and hope that if East has a stiff club he can make a move.|pg|| nt|phil: but 3@h is in 800 country|pg|| nt|xenya: yeah|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i'm a bit surrised|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3D will just make|pg|| nt|leo lasota: lose one of each suit|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3 imps to Nickell|pg|| pc|c2|nt|ritong: both 3NT and 5@d make here|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 3@C by helness?|pg|| nt|psyck: they should have learnt from deal 2 not to trust their 7 card suits headed by AK|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "I'm the one making all of the mistakes" - Helness|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 1NT is control ask|pg|| pc|cK|nt|phil: wow Multon doesn't even consider 4@c|pg|| nt|ritong: 3NT having the advantage to score 630 if they do not cash @ss|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|fabsayc: wow, this works but is risking missing a game|pg|| nt|psyck: My pd's rarely say that to me|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@C would have shown some solid suit with 7+ tricks|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@H = 5+ controls|pg|| nt|warrens: Weinstein will force to game here|pg|| pc|h2|nt|vugraphzfv: hmm not sure if 2h or 2c should be alerted as garbage stayman. just happy i made out what she wrote.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: but that Kx looks very bad for slam|pg|| nt|barnets: first blood to Cayne 2 imps with 5@D down1 against 3n here down2|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "Can't believe you didn't even try 3N w/ that hand" - Seamon|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: jokes all across the table|pg|| nt|psyck: ruffing a couple of @c's would work here, not clear what is best|pg|| nt|reisig: Does 87xx in @s qualify as a suit?|pg|| nt|kit: Helness will be thinking about slam, having opened 1@S on a hand he might have opened 2@c|pg|| pc|h8|nt|xenya: N is not concerned about hearts here, rather about the quality of the 1D suit|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3! shows 1-18 with 3=2=3=5|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@C|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 17-18|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i anticapte grnd as the fiinal contract from here|pg|| pc|hA|nt|fabsayc: just a spade doubleton and some aces|pg|| nt|phil: maybe some confusion over the x? |pg|| nt|phil: double these days generally means anything but penalty|pg|| nt|ritong: 3@s= " i need help in that suit buddy"|pg|| nt|barnets: Lauria- versace did well to stop in 4N on last board|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|3for3: a variation of 5 card stayman|pg|| nt|barnets: going beyond 3N looking for slam |pg|| nt|barnets: he didnt think for too long and made a simple bid|pg|| pc|h3|nt|vugraphzfv: jenny says "i dont have much help" as she laid downdumy|pg|| nt|psyck: @s shift could have fetched 1@s, 3@d, 1@c to def, but now declarer has a chance again|pg|| nt|barnets: he is not cold in even 4N though as misguessed the clubs|pg|| nt|psyck: he still has to guess @h fin to get rid of @s loser|pg|| nt|barnets: and needs heart fin to make|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ritong: 4@c= "get lost"|pg|| nt|ritong: or something like that|pg|| nt|fabsayc: a "buddy" bid|pg|| nt|leo lasota: quick 650 on that lead|pg|| pc|h5|nt|warrens: down on a @C lead, since the defense can get 3 trump tricks|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Katz will win diamond ace play spade for making 3|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: but molson says "you have trumps!"|pg|| nt|phil: well thats sad|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: double was a @H stopper ask|pg|| nt|leo lasota: interesting play prob here|pg|| nt|warrens: and a @D|pg|| pc|d4|nt|kit: Declarer has problems here. Even with the clubs coming in, there are only 8 winners.|pg|| nt|phil: and 3N must have meant a partial stopper|pg|| nt|phil: so he wasn't far off|pg|| nt|psyck: @h fin needed this deal & in 4NT other room :)|pg|| nt|barnets: so first big swing for Cayne|pg|| pc|dA|nt|phil: so why 5@d??|pg|| nt|ritong: oui|pg|| nt|ritong: french word is " coopératif"|pg|| nt|fabsayc: or we use to call it a west coast cue bid (asking for half stopper)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4 = RKC|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4!|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4@S|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 5@D = 2 w/o Q|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but since Sontag holds the key 9 spades, the defense prevails|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 5! asks of kings|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 5@S|pg|| nt|bigtrain: shows grand interest so meck will force the issue with "solid" clubs|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 7@C as choice maybe|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|xenya: obviously a misunderstanding|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sA|nt|3for3: quite thin game. needs clubs to behave, 44 diamonds for starters|pg|| nt|3for3: and 9th trick to come from spades.|pg|| nt|grebrof: !k and switch to @ds?|pg|| nt|grebrof: @H K|pg|| nt|kit: If East does shift to king of hearts, declarer will definitely win the trick|pg|| nt|kit: Since he is looking at down 1 if he ducks.|pg|| nt|grebrof: yes. but it will make the defense easy|pg|| nt|phil: NS work very hard on ther agreemenets|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|fabsayc: can power out the hand|pg|| nt|kit: oh my!|pg|| nt|kit: Heart lead would have given declarer quite a bit of headaches, but on the lie of the cards it wouldn't matter.|pg|| nt|barnets: even had west held the @SJ slam was terrible|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|nt|bigtrain: obviously 7@H is the better theorical contract but 7NT will suceed|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: 2nd grand in 1st 4 boards!|pg|| nt|bigtrain: no one will ever lead a @D on this auction|pg|| pc|sT|nt|bigtrain: without W actually exposing the @DA|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| nt|3for3: a super grovesnor!|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dQ|nt|fabsayc: well was better to start the spades|pg|| mc|9|nt|kit: of course Zia couldn't duck, but if he had .....|pg|| pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SQT843HT3DK72CKT4,S9652HQ954D93CA98,SJ7HKJ87DAQ86CJ72,SAKHA62DJT54CQ653|sv|n|nt|ritong: important*|pg|| mb|1N|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: still 12-14|pg|| nt|ahollan1: still 14+ :)|pg|| mb|2H|an|spades|nt|ady: and still dbl|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N not obligatory at these colors with that hand|pg|| nt|ady: transfers still on|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Fantoni more likely to downgrade than Nunes|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 4-suit transfers over DBL with RDBL=@C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: is Meck DBL @H or cards?|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: and does it set up force??|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: i don't think so|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: does anyone want to know final result of British Open?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: trick question -- it isn't over yet|pg|| nt|barnets: watching it in background|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| nt|ritong: merciful barnet:)|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|barnets: 3@D made on 20 3 imps to Nickell|pg|| pc|s5|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in case you missed it -- golf still being played [i was playing dirty trick on you]|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dA|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|nt|ritong: west certainly has the @c A, to justify his double|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pg|| nt|ritong: make that "likely"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Nickell playing 1N north|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SQT843HT3DK72CKT4,S9652HQ954D93CA98,SJ7HKJ87DAQ86CJ72,SAKHA62DJT54CQ653|sv|n|nt|vugraphzfv: ew are discussing their system now|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Disa is very very fast. |pg|| nt|fabsayc: that hand wont come up again this year, are they discussing meaning of 2@S?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: garbage stayman|pg|| nt|xenya: prosaic, yes|pg|| nt|grebrof: Zia should stop playing?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: zia: "I knew I could make it, I Just didn't know which chance you gave me"|pg|| nt|phil: but there's always that sequence where there's a little fuzziness|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 3@D was preemptive|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: not constructive|pg|| nt|phil: they play transfers there kendrick? |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: in what sequence?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: the 3@S?|pg|| nt|phil: after the overcall - pass|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: not that I know of|pg|| nt|barnets: the specs have a treat today with almost certainly 3 of the world's best teams in the semi-final|pg|| nt|barnets: an unusual occurence|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: helgemo: counting to thirteen is too tough|pg|| nt|barnets: that was a surprise from dec|pg|| mb|1D|nt|phil: I wonder how they'd show a constructive raise then? |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: they possibly could, but I'm unsure|pg|| nt|phil: no worries|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@C = 6+@C 10-15|pg|| nt|kit: Even the best players get careless and sometimes don't pay proper attention to discards|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: I thought NS played Flannery....I'm confused now|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: i think, multi|pg|| nt|phil: ok|pg|| nt|phil: kind of a wacky multi opener red/white - maybe trying to create a little early action|pg|| mb|1S|nt|vugraphzfv: the "lost track" part may occur a lot, unfortunately, as these ladies at times play with supersonic gusto|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: jenny wolpert thinking|pg|| nt|phil: 4@c is generally 'transfer me' and 4@d is 'you bid it' - which Kamil will do|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: looks like it will work out|pg|| nt|phil: looks like he wanted to protect any diamond cards in Marty's hand|pg|| nt|phil: Zimmerman has the world's fair on this auction|pg|| nt|phil: now - Zimmerman should be less excited about playing hearts now|pg|| nt|phil: 4@d advertises length in both|pg|| nt|xenya: if he bids 4@H, he will make it|pg|| nt|phil: NS can make a lot of sapdes however|pg|| nt|phil: I think they bid 4@s over 4@h|pg|| nt|xenya: assuming it gets passed out|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Zimmermann in the tank. |pg|| nt|phil: 4@h is a little awkward to play - but I think South has the option of losing one of his trump tricks or allowing the diamond pitch to be taken, right? |pg|| nt|xenya: 6@C doesn't look too bad either -- until you see the whole layout|pg|| nt|phil: yeah, hearts that are "Hawaii" (5-0) is very bad for both|pg|| nt|phil: perhaps just an interesting, how do you stop 4@s? |pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: Interesting -- so Zia didn't work out that West could dodge the end-play|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Helgemo embarassed he threw his @H away|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@H is natural NF|pg|| mb|1N|nt|reisig: 6@h is OK?|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: I would take dbl of 4@d as 'cards' and a subsequent x of 4@s as penalty|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Katz HCP are all slow|pg|| nt|leo lasota: which implies pass of 1nt may be best|pg|| nt|leo lasota: however|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: now 5NT or 4nt?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: spades are shakey, i think 4 enough|pg|| nt|3for3: 2@D seems a tad conservative with that fine 46|pg|| nt|phil: Multon not excited about defending 4@s with his paucity of defense|pg|| nt|warrens: this makes 6@H as the @C Ace is onside for a @S pitch|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfv: action!|pg|| nt|phil: aieee|pg|| nt|xenya: no wonder Zimmermann was in the tank -- the whole auction looks crazy, from his perspective|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the all purpose DSI double (do something intelligent)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 4@H seems right for north on that basis|pg|| nt|bigtrain: east's pass is almost always exactly a doubleton n support|pg|| pc|c3|nt|kit: he might be afraid North has just hearts|pg|| nt|warrens: W is showing a mini-splinter|pg|| nt|reisig: another "wonderful" X :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: double by Spntag greatly improves slam prospects|pg|| nt|osvaill83: :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: will just tell everyone that weinstein kept a heart and declarer rightfully cashed ace to not risk contract :)|pg|| pc|c4|nt|fabsayc: oops|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: no oops here|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the downside of the upgrading craze occurs on hands like this|pg|| nt|leo lasota: there is some merit to the argument that you pass 1nt on 5332 hands with 9-10 HCP and rebid your 5 card suit on 5-8|pg|| nt|leo lasota: so 5233 aceless 8 count is a borderline choice|pg|| pc|cA|nt|fabsayc: well 3 is down a lot but a deep position|pg|| nt|ritong: on the other hand, imps do not grow on trees|pg|| nt|ritong: down 40 or so|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: with 12 boards to go...|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: jenny has to use the restroom. the rest are waiting for her|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: molson left with her|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: jill meyers started reading the newspaper|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: real news, not bridge news. hope she doesn't get distracted by all the crazy stuff happening today :p|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: actually i think she's doing the puzzles. |pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: molson seems a very friendly chatty person. she's back now.|pg|| nt|kit: now this bid I don't understand -- seems like clear 3NT call by Zia|pg|| nt|xenya: N might pass now?|pg|| nt|reisig: Have to worry abt partner w 1@s too|pg|| pc|c9|nt|3for3: well, north is a PH, so with just hearts he can just bid them, either a weak 2, or 2@H at second turn|pg|| nt|phil: Lightner from Fleisher now? |pg|| nt|leo lasota: additionally, the double allows extra bidding space for levin/weinstein|pg|| nt|warrens: the X tells East the Ace is onside and also gives E/W extra room|pg|| nt|warrens: I'm surprised, as is one of the voice commentators, that W bid 4@H and not 4@D|pg|| nt|reisig: Me too!|pg|| nt|reisig: Pass of 4@c X = maybe slam|pg|| nt|leo lasota: everyone is surprised, but perhaps they have a different understanding of Levin's 4H call than we expect|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Sontag leaves table...|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: after asking Weinstein if he'll be a while|pg|| nt|reisig: OK ..but in my bidding 4@h = no void in @c and no @d cue|pg|| nt|warrens: exact same start at the other table, but West bid 4@D, not 4@H, after the X-p-p|pg|| nt|reisig: That's what I'd do|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Since Levin had 3 choices at or below game here... redbl, 4D, & 4H, I am sure they have agreements that we are unaware of|pg|| nt|reisig: Wanna bet?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Weinstein alone at the table now as Levin and Berkowitz chat on the other side of the room|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Sontag returns|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|fabsayc: granted this is not a normal situation|pg|| nt|fabsayc: but in that case why not 3nt by rosenberg|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Betting is out Rich... casino night was already held at the nationals :)|pg|| nt|kit: I think this 3@S call should show 6, so Helness should have no problem raising|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: tempo wasnt as shown|pg|| pc|c5|nt|phil: a quick -2|pg|| nt|phil: Kamil will also rip 6@h|pg|| nt|ritong: 6 losers at first glance|pg|| nt|reisig: :)|pg|| pc|cT|pg|| nt|kit: good point Danny -- I forgot about initial pass|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|grebrof: what to bid than 2@d?|pg|| nt|phil: so Kamil knows Fleisher is ruffing the heart, so his lead is suit preference|pg|| pc|sK|nt|kit: So here we have another close 3NT contract|pg|| nt|3for3: entry problems for the 9th trick, even if the clubs are 33.|pg|| nt|phil: don't they lose a diamond too? |pg|| nt|fabsayc: ending in 2nt has no upside|pg|| nt|ritong: are you absolutely sure to want to lecture rosenberg about imps tactics?:)|pg|| pc|s3|nt|fabsayc: i always bid 6nt if close|pg|| nt|fabsayc: and here danger of a bad spade break makes 6nt my choice|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|grebrof: @d to 10?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: well i do think if your going to swing you need to start early, and 3nt is the best contract for that tactic|pg|| nt|ritong: ok ok|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c7|pg|| nt|fabsayc: they are guessing contract in our room (with no success)|pg|| nt|ritong: unkind @d|pg|| nt|reisig: No problem making this one|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|nt|ritong: i think franck is realizing just now that a @c might have been better|pg|| nt|yusufb: salvonunda yaptýgý tam ipnelik bu 2 oldu bana|pg|| pc|s7|nt|fabsayc: looks like down 2 from here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: might ruff honor, and finesse the J@S?|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| nt|xenya: @Cs offer a better chance|pg|| nt|kit: if clubs 3-3, opponents can't cash 4 tricks |pg|| nt|xenya: looks like 3 off -- there's a @D to lose as well|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|grebrof: the 3 wins, npp|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: it was correct|pg|| nt|kit: East didn't squander 8 of clubs on 2nd round of clubs|pg|| nt|leo lasota: low diamond exit?|pg|| pc|h3|nt|psyck: S can exit in trumps again when in with @sa, but ewill be endplayed again, but that will still be 8th trick only|pg|| pc|d3|nt|xenya: almost certainly|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| nt|kit: I assume this is operator error with the club spots|pg|| nt|grebrof: for me, the operator is god - I dont know what happened :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: sorry, after the 2@C fuss, i might have gotten lost|pg|| nt|pelu: for sure @c 10 8 left in East|pg|| nt|grebrof: Helness in the tank now?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: he 100% led the 2@C|pg|| nt|kit: I imagine East won 8 of clubs on 3rd round, continues hearts, and goes down some|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|leo lasota: diamond exit creates problem for declarer here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: only up to 6 so far|pg|| nt|leo lasota: win diamond in hand, then diasmond to king|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 10 spades, then run 10 hearts into east|pg|| nt|reisig: Can even play low @h from hand :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: low diamond by Multon would have been better|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: not if partner held 83 instead of 93|pg|| nt|leo lasota: if declarer exits low heart, defense wins queen and plays another diamond|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ritong: but, surprisingly enough, the trump layout was such that his @h6 was a big card|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|h5|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| nt|reisig: hmmm|pg|| nt|leo lasota: down now|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: whats wrong with @dQ @d?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: queebn diamond diamond|pg|| nt|leo lasota: west opitches spades|pg|| pc|hK|nt|vugraphzfv: i cant see the club 3 in disa's hand. odd|pg|| nt|phil: 800|pg|| nt|ritong: perhaps he has analyzed that in a flash i know he s extremely fast minded|pg|| nt|leo lasota: low heart to queen|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|nt|leo lasota: declareer then leads away J8|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|phil: hopefully not a push with -790 :)|pg|| mc|6|nt|ritong: besides, i have huge respect for his talent in general|pg|| nt|leo lasota: although 1nt was makeable, the hand made 2S in other room|pg|| pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4ST73HA7D87432CKT8,SK852HJ2DKQ5CAJ94,SAQJ9HT9865D6C753,S64HKQ43DAJT9CQ62|sv|e|nt|kemperg: 1 putt, play off or finished|pg|| nt|bigtrain: neb @D = 2+ 11-15|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|bigtrain: 1@S = natural (4+)|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|bigtrain: 1NT = 11-13|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: 2000 people have it on their DVR Germ|pg|| mb|p|nt|barnets: maybe they dont want to know|pg|| nt|ahollan1: DBL asking for @S would be great guess|pg|| pc|d8|nt|ady: chancy double would have worked well here|pg|| nt|ahollan1: AMAZING is Els oldest to win??|pg|| nt|ritong: perhaps north, who is in hunting mood from the start of the segment, would try if EW hands were more limited|pg|| nt|barnets: need t|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry i meant that to be private -- honest|pg|| nt|barnets: :)|pg|| nt|ritong: but, with west possibly having a lot, a blue card could be painful|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i recorded too -- and will still watch just turned on to make sure i didn't need to record longer|pg|| nt|barnets: any spade would beat the contract|pg|| nt|bigtrain: that was cruel al... you should tell them who really wins now|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s7|nt|ahollan1: 21 1N -1|pg|| nt|barnets: This match likely to be repeated some time in future with both teams representing their country in the world championships|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 6 imps to Monaco|pg|| nt|barnets: Monaco are already qualiffied for Bali in 2013|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Lille starts play August 09|pg|| nt|ahollan1: World Mind Sports Games -- formerly Team Olympiad|pg|| nt|barnets: Monaco recently won the european C|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pg|| nt|barnets: Championship|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|d2|nt|barnets: which is one of the world's toughest events|pg|| nt|ady: now home on 9@C finesse|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: European Championship very different than other events though -- no KO phase|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|sQ|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|sK|pc|h5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: they do that mostly because event is used to qualify 6 teams for next Bermuda Bowl|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in other room Katz opening lead ... @S10|pg|| nt|ritong: bingo|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but it looks like nickell won Jack|pg|| nt|barnets: that was ahuge error after a brilliant lead|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nickell won @SJ and shifted to @H how bizarre|pg|| nt|barnets: cant beat it now|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Rodwell: "sorry" [for taking so long]|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|c9|mc|10|pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4ST73HA7D87432CKT8,SK852HJ2DKQ5CAJ94,SAQJ9HT9865D6C753,S64HKQ43DAJT9CQ62|sv|e|nt|fabsayc: that will erase 3@S from memory|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: disa very pleased with herself for the transfer squeeze.|pg|| nt|kit: I wonder what really happened|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: the 2@C was won by the 3@C, for sure|pg|| mb|1D|nt|fabsayc: actually i can see why|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: that really happened for sure?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: he played hand that way|pg|| mb|1S|nt|Vugraphzfv: yes. |pg|| nt|kit: wow!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: lots of laughter at the table after it|pg|| nt|grebrof: Martel and Helness are getting old|pg|| nt|kit: Martel will likely bid 3@S|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@H is mixed so must use the single raise here|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|ritong: if so, the hand is borderline|pg|| nt|ritong: strict minimum for a constructive raise imho|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "Rarely 5-7 HCP"|pg|| nt|bigtrain: mixed raise is 8-9 dummy points with 4+card support|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: jenny asked molson what X means. molson shrugged and pointed at the 3D |pg|| nt|bigtrain: its an offensive type hand|pg|| mb|3N|nt|kit: Effective -- E-W haven't found the heart fit.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: any bid by south is only possible after peeking|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3D likely final spot here|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: disa bids at the same time as patapon. lol|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Fleisher: "We should make easier bids for them"|pg|| nt|barnets: easy 7 tricks to start|pg|| mb|p|nt|grebrof: they can win this board|pg|| nt|grebrof: not now thou|pg|| nt|fabsayc: but how about spade ace, diamond to queen, spade king and diamonds (in your dreams)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 3@H lead directing with diamond fit, a treatment possible by a passed hand|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3S is the limit of the hand here|pg|| nt|osvaill83: this one is worse :)|pg|| nt|kit: Levin has adequate heart support to raise, but he decided his hand was too weak|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 10 spades lead works wonders here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: spade lead is actually very reasonable with Katz hand|pg|| nt|reisig: Poor choices for a lead|pg|| nt|reisig: So - @s might be best|pg|| pc|sT|nt|kit: West might have tried 5@D, leaving it to Zia to find a low club lead!|pg|| nt|leo lasota: that is my lead too|pg|| nt|reisig: NICE JOB!!|pg|| nt|leo lasota: even not seeiing all the hands :)|pg|| pc|s2|nt|vugraphzfv: you'll see the 3nt and pass cards hit table at same time :) she's really fast|pg|| nt|fabsayc: it could be something else on this auction|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Levin passed the 2C as he had nothing extra in terms of HCP, now Weinstein balances with his 5 card diamond suit|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|ritong: ?|pg|| nt|barnets: 3N by east makes if south leads a heart to the ace|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| nt|bigtrain: @H9 is a standard signal after the lead showing the AK|pg|| nt|kit: Defense may have to be tough to beat this|pg|| nt|leo lasota: ???????????|pg|| pc|hT|nt|fabsayc: problem was 1@D on three card suit, given that would have rebid 2nt with disa's hand|pg|| nt|leo lasota: now Levin backs into 3D|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|nt|grebrof: Helness maybe should have dbl 3@s|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice auction for E/W|pg|| nt|reisig: Dull hand|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| nt|psyck: @sT may prove costly|pg|| nt|barnets: swing on bd 4 when Versace down in 3@D|pg|| nt|barnets: 5 to Monaco off|pg|| nt|ritong: 3@c was quite makeable|pg|| nt|leo lasota: need to confirm that was trick 1...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: it was|pg|| nt|leo lasota: wow|pg|| nt|reisig: I have no words :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: very costly mistake by Nickell|pg|| nt|leo lasota: diamond to 9, queen clubs now|pg|| pc|d5|nt|leo lasota: even got 3D right sided!|pg|| nt|warrens: more interesting after a @S lead|pg|| nt|leo lasota: ace, low trump off board|pg|| nt|leo lasota: duck second spade, then club shift still gets it set|pg|| pc|d6|nt|barnets: off|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|fabsayc: this is one route to down 2|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 3@D would have been no better|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: east fingered many cards in turn before shaking her head and playing the D2|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| nt|xenya: 1 down, but 3@H would have made|pg|| nt|bigtrain: being able to bid 4@S/4@H is too important to risk a TOX vs overcall|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|barnets: of|pg|| nt|bigtrain: but the other table bid 3@H which makes the TOX better as itsmore flexible|pg|| nt|bigtrain: either way... i strongly dislike saving here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: levin signaling he has clubs for weinstein; |pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|nt|leo lasota: low heart to king now...|pg|| nt|leo lasota: weinstein will get this right I believe|pg|| nt|leo lasota: well done|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| nt|ritong: so 3@s a good sac in any case, especialloy if it makes|pg|| nt|bigtrain: meck can save a bit here by giving a @D ruff|pg|| nt|bigtrain: but beyond that the 5L save at the other table is the big loser as it rated to be|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 10 clubs upside down att pitch from sontag here, and low heart shift|pg|| nt|leo lasota: make your opponents pay for their mistakes|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|nt|fabsayc: you mean ethically?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: vugraph watchers, if you have time, go ahead to www.bridgebase.com and try the new bridge base version please. that way you can listen to voice commentary in addition to typed ...|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: ones.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: it does but i dont know many who deliberately avoid leading a suit for that reason|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: I believe Henry Bethe is providing it at this table, and he's the new USA bridge federation chairman :)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: yes Henry on vugraph, and my questions are directed to him|pg|| nt|henryb: No, only the head of the tournament conditions committee|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: right. i wouldnt have been able to answer anyways :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: "only" the head. henry is cool. |pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: we're still waiting for patapon to play. she keeps shaking her head.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: duck by berk here...|pg|| nt|leo lasota: oops|pg|| nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| nt|reisig: hi Kit :)|pg|| pc|hK|nt|henryb: I'm going to switch to written. Being the only voice is a lonely job|pg|| nt|barnets: Schneider|pg|| nt|kit: maybe low spade to king and heart up is better, but risks a ruff when the clubs are blocked|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|nt|vugraphzfv: lol|pg|| nt|henryb: And the earphones are too hot|pg|| nt|bigtrain: @S10 is reverse smith... thus saying i don't want a @H back|pg|| nt|leo lasota: declarer will discover South holds 5 diamonds, 2 hearts|pg|| nt|leo lasota: and 2 or 3 spades|pg|| nt|leo lasota: therefore, 3 or 4 clubs|pg|| pc|s9|nt|leo lasota: well done by weinstein|pg|| nt|kit: North's defense is clear -- he knows his partner must have ace of clubs in order to have a chance|pg|| pc|s6|pg|| nt|fabsayc: yes easier for the spectators to understand as well|pg|| nt|leo lasota: % play greatly in favor of finesse 10 clubs|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|d3|nt|fabsayc: not all have two computers|pg|| nt|reisig: If he won the @s Queen - dcl might make an error :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Multon is all over this hand|pg|| nt|leo lasota: bet he is feeling very confident right now|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|leo lasota: declarer will still bring this home now|pg|| nt|warrens: can't beat it|pg|| nt|leo lasota: well done by weinstein|pg|| nt|leo lasota: after some delay, he will cash all the diamonds and come down to J94 clubs in dummy, then play club to 9|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|dQ|nt|leo lasota: making 4|pg|| nt|leo lasota: for a push|pg|| pc|sQ|pg|| nt|psyck: get off the schneid: To break a scoreless, hitless, or winless streak (i.e., a schneid)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: I have said it before, many times the push boards are very interesting :)|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h8|nt|barnets: what happened to the easy 7?|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|c4|pc|c5|pg|| nt|leo lasota: oops|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nullo pitch there by Multon|pg|| nt|leo lasota: wow|pg|| nt|leo lasota: \|pg|| nt|reisig: What are we watching?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Poker :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: if he knew Nickell was having heart issues here, he play for 3 suit squeeze on him|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but that is way against the odds|pg|| nt|reisig: Could he think Nickell has @h and 2@c left?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: no; he does not even consider A10xx spade, 10 spade iopening lead!|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cJ|mc|9|nt|leo lasota: you pay off to an opponent that brilliant to lead the 10 spades|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| nt|reisig: Just another 1 IMP hand :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: lol|pg|| pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1S7652HQT984D7CT53,SAHK5DK65432CK764,ST3HJ7632DAQ9CA98,SKQJ984HADJT8CQJ2|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|bigtrain: neb @D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: do you overcall 1@H?|pg|| mb|1H|mb|2S|nt|bigtrain: 2@S = 6+ GF|pg|| mb|4H|nt|bigtrain: prevents opponents from preempting|pg|| nt|bigtrain: yes 1@S = 5= @S|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 5+@S|pg|| nt|barnets: not clear after a passed partner|pg|| nt|ady: 4@S down on a diamond lead|pg|| nt|bigtrain: yes X = 4|pg|| nt|bigtrain: solves this problem for instance|pg|| nt|ady: best is 4@HX for e/w|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|hT|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|s2|pc|d4|pg|| nt|ritong: cautious cash|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hA|pg|| nt|ritong: @h 10 denied @c interest, too|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1S7652HQT984D7CT53,SAHK5DK65432CK764,ST3HJ7632DAQ9CA98,SKQJ984HADJT8CQJ2|sv|b|nt|grebrof: I said maybe - Zia would have bid 4 anyway|pg|| nt|psyck: Helness just wanted to live up to his earlier comment that he was making all the mistakes|pg|| nt|barnets: Ihe had 7 I looked away and now hes down |pg|| nt|barnets: most unusual|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3nt is likely going down here with the diamonds 41 and spade king off|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|nt|3for3: 'standard' off shape nt by zia|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Director says both tables are too slow|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice job setting 4S in other room|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: missing two keys|pg|| nt|fabsayc: ?|pg|| nt|ritong: for the @h slam|pg|| mb|1S|nt|fabsayc: oh you mean if they try for slam|pg|| nt|ritong: i do not think 3@d can include three keys, anyways|pg|| nt|fabsayc: so precisely the hand to bid slam on since sure to create a swing|pg|| nt|kit: Therefore, continuing diamonds can never be superior|pg|| nt|kit: Nice hand for 4-card overcall, and really strikes gold.|pg|| nt|reisig: Aceless - no so easy here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: tough to know from South's hand, but 500 available against 4S dbled|pg|| nt|kit: 5@H will make on likely spade lead, I believe|pg|| nt|leo lasota: of course the hand can also make 5H from South|pg|| mb|p|nt|xenya: 3@H looks a bit strange here?|pg|| mb|2C|nt|vugraphzfv: willard waved her x card to attract valerie's attention. it means 4 spades |pg|| nt|3for3: not sure what east is thinking about.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 2nt invite-3nt accept|pg|| nt|kit: Levin can't like the thought of defending 4@S with a spade void|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3nt ideal contract|pg|| mb|p|nt|xenya: not any more ? :)|pg|| mb|2H|nt|barnets: I see he played the @s 10 at trick1 , his 7th winner|pg|| nt|warrens: a pushy game try opposite 14-16|pg|| nt|barnets: bids by southwest will start to x perhaps if south bids|pg|| mb|p|nt|xenya: W in doubt|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Does Levin bid 5H if 5C is dbled?|pg|| nt|barnets: that interprets as West may X |pg|| mb|3D|nt|leo lasota: 2nt by west with Kx hearts, 3nt by East reasonable|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: levin asked molson to take some time. cos she wants to think|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: molson is like "going..."|pg|| nt|henryb: "the whole hand|pg|| nt|leo lasota: QJ doubleton downgrade for the hand but two 10's upgrade|pg|| nt|leo lasota: excellent pass of 2nt by Berk|pg|| mb|3S|nt|Vugraphzfv: the program auto plays singletons, zia was thinking|pg|| nt|3for3: as he is entitled to, but at this point he doesnt know a whole lot|pg|| nt|kit: Interesting that Zia gave up on the legit chance of stiff king of clubs |pg|| nt|warrens: I see 7 quick tricks|pg|| nt|kit: North will bid 5@C (having already shown hearts), and now Levin will have to guess which suit to play.|pg|| nt|reisig: They may find 5@c|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: 11 tricks|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but Zimmerman elects to rebid moth eaten 6 card diamond suit instead|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3nt now all pass?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: huge decision here|pg|| mb|4S|nt|vugraphzfv: and there. she played. |pg|| nt|ritong: perhaps 12 if seamon ducks the second @s|pg|| nt|warrens: pretty good chances for 8|pg|| nt|kit: But only 5 tricks for the defense|pg|| nt|warrens: if he plays spades I think he'll go down. losing 2 @S, 2@D and 2@C's|pg|| nt|leo lasota: spotlight back on levin here...|pg|| nt|kit: Now, will Levin run?|pg|| nt|kit: Big decision here|pg|| nt|barnets: e/w willbe delighted n/s bid as they will now go plus|pg|| nt|bobholl: dutch saying better 1 bird in hand than 10 in air|pg|| nt|leo lasota: oops|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: East should perhaps have cashed the king of diamonds first -- now West has a problem.|pg|| nt|grebrof: yes|pg|| nt|xenya: yes, @C lead would be a real killer|pg|| nt|leo lasota: if declarer decides to play spade here, 2nt is down; diamond here, 2nt is in|pg|| nt|leo lasota: great decision by weinstein!|pg|| nt|reisig: Now 5@h?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: yes rich now 5H|pg|| nt|kit: Only if Levin bids 5@H -- but will he work that out?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Weinstein has announced that he has nothing in clubs|pg|| nt|cc469: why 5@H?|pg|| nt|kit: I think Weinstein should have redoubled (assuming that is takeout) rather than show diamond support he doesn't have.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: therefore, Levin can expect decent hearts and should probably get this right|pg|| nt|reisig: Doubling the only contract you can beat - is often wrong|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: club shift|pg|| nt|barnets: this wont make but 2@H was making|pg|| nt|psyck: strange defense|pg|| nt|barnets: unusual opening lead yes|pg|| nt|psyck: @hk would have been more standard|pg|| nt|leo lasota: declarer cannot affordably cash the hearts as this sets up Levin's extra heart|pg|| nt|kit: I think he had to play spades, since playing a diamond wouldn't tell him anything and he would still have to take the spade finesse.|pg|| nt|kit: This way he also gets Jx of spades|pg|| nt|leo lasota: yes Kit|pg|| nt|leo lasota: diamond lead from Katz hand stand out|pg|| pc|d7|nt|ritong: if so, perhaps zim will try to avoid the dangerous hand, though|pg|| nt|ritong: and miss the @cs|pg|| nt|leo lasota: well done|pg|| nt|leo lasota: jack diamond here obligatory false card|pg|| nt|leo lasota: or actually 10 may be better|pg|| pc|d2|nt|leo lasota: or if he plays confident, levin may duck the king :)|pg|| nt|kit: At other table Meckwell got to 3NT .....|pg|| nt|kit: But it looks like they will make it!|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|henryb: That is a common treatment in Europe: transfer doubles over 1-level overcalls rather than negative|pg|| nt|bigtrain: if you're forced to level getting there fast shows the worst hand|pg|| nt|warrens: at the other table, Meckstroth ran the 10 of @S at trick 2, so will make the game|pg|| nt|leo lasota: outstanding |pg|| pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ritong: but this move is even better|pg|| nt|ritong: bien joué, pierre|pg|| nt|ritong: it caters for @c Qxxx with south|pg|| nt|bigtrain: slow shows interest in bigger things|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nickell should work this out|pg|| nt|leo lasota: consider that if Katz has 3 diamonds, hand not beatable|pg|| nt|leo lasota: plus Katz would not likely lead the rebid diamond suit on 3 little|pg|| nt|reisig: Also - would never lead @d from 10xx|pg|| pc|s3|nt|kit: I think Helgemo's double of 5@C is clear -- he has no reason to expect the opponents have a place to run when they chose clubs with their eyes open.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Very well deserved score for N/S|pg|| nt|barnets: looks down 1 |pg|| nt|leo lasota: Easy 11 tricks |pg|| nt|barnets: not on that lead though|pg|| pc|s4|nt|leo lasota: too bad|pg|| nt|luffe12: exactly my words|pg|| pc|s2|nt|barnets: try a spade lead|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hA|nt|kit: This lead doesn't hurt declarer. And on a spade lead he would have the entries to ruff 2 spades and score 6 trump tricks and 5 diamond tricks|pg|| nt|baskanb: battýk|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|leo lasota: exactly as kit says|pg|| nt|barnets: not sure thats right kit|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Qx hearts onside allowed for 11 tricks|pg|| nt|reisig: Even I can make this now :)|pg|| pc|sK|nt|baskanb: sry|pg|| nt|luffe12: to lead from 3 in rebid suit - strange...|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 2 straight costly mistakes by Nickell|pg|| mc|10|nt|kit: I could be wrong, but I think only a diamond lead would defeat 5@H|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: katz asks for a break|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: back in a bit|pg|| nt|leo lasota: very tough to overcome double digit mistakes against team Monaco|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nevertheless, still 41 boards left to play and just a 20 imp lead for Multon|pg|| nt|leo lasota: team Monaco|pg|| pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2SA75HJ862DQJ74CQT,SKQ92HA7DKT32CAJ7,ST43HKTD965CK8543,SJ86HQ9543DA8C962|sv|o|nt|bigtrain: 1@C = 16+ any (17+ bal)|pg|| nt|barnets: Multon in same position as Rodwell makes 3n|pg|| mb|1C|nt|ahollan1: swing on 22 was 1 imp -- but oh, what might have been|pg|| mb|p|nt|barnets: South will be unhappy after his inspired lead|pg|| mb|1D|nt|bigtrain: 1@D = 0-7 any|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|bigtrain: 1NT = 17-18|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: 2@D = tranfer|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: then 2N or 3N?|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: the rare game invite :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: if eric bids only 2...|pg|| pc|c3|nt|ahollan1: as expected Nickell did NOT overcall 1@H on 23|pg|| nt|barnets: and Nickell as north did not quite reasonably overcall 1@H with jxxxx|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: club 3 is even with no honor or and odd with an honor|pg|| nt|bigtrain: good layout overall|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s6|nt|bigtrain: 3@S winners @HK onside and good @C layout|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ady: 9@C good card|pg|| nt|bigtrain: partner could have @CJ rather than K though|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c9|nt|ady: 8 tricks |pg|| pc|h6|pc|c7|pg|| nt|ady: unless finessing 9@S |pg|| nt|bigtrain: plaing @H is better than @S|pg|| nt|ady: a possibility|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h8|pg|| nt|bigtrain: claiming 8|pg|| mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfu: short break|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 23 Katz thinking long about lead against 4@S auction made it sound as if EW off the @H suit|pg|| nt|ritong: ritual after 8 boards|pg|| nt|ritong: halftime|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but finally leads @D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Nickell won @DQ then shifted to TRUMP|pg|| pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2SA75HJ862DQJ74CQT,SKQ92HA7DKT32CAJ7,ST43HKTD965CK8543,SJ86HQ9543DA8C962|sv|o|nt|henryb: -200|pg|| nt|henryb: 200 for E-W|pg|| nt|grebrof: already correctedd|pg|| nt|psyck: those may not be the exact cards played, but -1 normall enough|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "Can I pull out the red card yet?" - Seamon|pg|| mb|1C|nt|Vugraphzfv: n/s shuffle around looking for their defense card|pg|| nt|ritong: ah|pg|| nt|ritong: a gazzilli hand|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|nt|Vugraphzfv: they're exact to the spots, i may have switch a 9 to and 8 or reversed|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: *an 8|pg|| nt|psyck: thanks Ken|pg|| nt|ritong: sort of|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: who's at the other table playing it?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: the thng is about all the old bridge players is they had to be great declarers since they were such terrible bidders|pg|| nt|warrens: a big score for Nickell|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: my idea is 2@c should cover some fit hands|pg|| mb|1N|nt|fabsayc: 1@H has lots going for it|pg|| nt|ritong: which do not completely match standard treatments|pg|| nt|kit: old fashioned defesne -- cover an honor, win the queen with the king.|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: they started 2@S 3@S (hearts and a minor) in open room, which is much tougher|pg|| nt|reisig: Based on the last 2 hands - he may bid 3NT|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: they seem to have had a misunderstanding, ending in 3nt|pg|| nt|barnets: Cayne does not like his partners or teammates to make tight Xs|pg|| mb|p|nt|leo lasota: Momentum at this table certainly on the side of Levin/Weinstein with 2 good results in a row|pg|| nt|leo lasota: pass and take plus seems right|pg|| pc|c4|nt|henryb: Also lots against it if partner rebids 1@s|pg|| nt|fabsayc: if nothing else if gives partner a lead|pg|| nt|3for3: 4 losers for declarer, but defense get get them all|pg|| nt|barnets: especially when they make|pg|| pc|c2|nt|vugraphzfv: is this lead by westheimer too large?|pg|| nt|3for3: here the spade loser disappears|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: all players annoyed that director took away boards|pg|| nt|barnets: yes a spec points out helgy tthinking @CA club ruff @SA club ruff|pg|| nt|bobholl: not strange with only 4@S|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice result for Nickell in other room on board 6|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|barnets: I believe its in their contracts when they sign on|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|kit: seems like declarer always wins the race|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: leads are 2/4th for n/s|pg|| nt|grebrof: 3rd means (I have a difficult lead P)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 6H is down, 6@D could make|pg|| nt|psyck: yes you will not see them make agressive partial doubles|pg|| nt|leo lasota: expect lead to grow for nickell with board 7|pg|| nt|reisig: Levin wants this hand to end :)|pg|| nt|barnets: so in the end perhaps Helgy should not have X 5@C|pg|| pc|sK|nt|fabsayc: not yet|pg|| nt|barnets: which was down |pg|| pc|s3|nt|warrens: he's only going to allow them to play all the boards if they catch up|pg|| nt|leo lasota: another 2nt contract requiring some work|pg|| nt|kit: Some work looks like an understatement|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s2|nt|fabsayc: westheimer has been ahead the three times she lost the final|pg|| nt|barnets: and they would have played there|pg|| nt|leo lasota: great play jack cl;ubs there|pg|| pc|s4|nt|barnets: said only partially as a joke|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "Let's see if I can make something here, very unlikely" - Helness|pg|| nt|psyck: 3N & 4@s make as cards are, this is better|pg|| nt|leo lasota: to encourage incorrect club continuation by Weinstein|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|henryb: 60 imps with 11 to score. The lead is very big but not yet insurmountable|pg|| nt|kit: The spade spots on this hand could prove to be interesting|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| pc|d4|nt|fabsayc: so nerves may be a factor still|pg|| nt|fabsayc: is only 49|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice small diamond shift by katz|pg|| nt|leo lasota: although from honor 97x(x)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: establishing @c tricks for partner looks better to me|pg|| nt|leo lasota: switching to the 9 is a consideration|pg|| nt|leo lasota: club switch would have jsut led to 120|pg|| pc|d2|nt|vugraphzfv: rare for sponsor to play last segment. |pg|| nt|ritong: i will be suspected of bad faith, but here i perso play 2@c by west, basically good hand with no clear bid, and over the 90% of the time 2@d, 4@d showing void and @s fit|pg|| nt|ritong: when direct splinter is singleton|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Sontag's 7 clubs beating the 6 in Levin's hand could be critical as well|pg|| pc|d9|nt|xenya: declarer still has spades stopped i assume|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Katz is looking at 4 card heart holding|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d8|nt|leo lasota: club shift here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: tangles the suit for declarer|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|leo lasota: so not so concermed about the establishment of the long heart suit|pg|| pc|dK|pg|| nt|leo lasota: making 5 now; well done|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|henryb: Maybe she kept losing when sitting out|pg|| nt|santyclz2: In the Fantunes system opening 1 bids usually show 14+ hcp so if s opens it would be at the 2 level and the auction would be very different.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3|pg|| nt|leo lasota: plus this gave the losing option to declareer and he took it... spade finesse|pg|| pc|c8|nt|leo lasota: however...|pg|| nt|leo lasota: now they are up to 7|pg|| pc|h3|nt|leo lasota: typo sry|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|d3|nt|henryb: or a teammate is tired or not feeling well|pg|| pc|d5|pc|h4|nt|xenya: that quick @H discard by E looks ominous -- would he have done it holding Qxxx and knowing S is likely to have 4? |pg|| pc|d7|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|ritong: intricate, i agree but works|pg|| pc|dT|nt|vugraphzfv: she is one of the top women players for sure.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: they all left the room. I think they decided they are fast enough, so are taking a break|pg|| nt|henryb: Does Disa still smoke?|pg|| nt|henryb: Certainly Benedicte does|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: no idea but if she does she'll be smoking fast. i will try to interview her soon. very stylish gal.|pg|| nt|henryb: (Cronier)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Patapon may have quitted I think. she said it was her new year resolution|pg|| nt|henryb: Its my annual resolution, that I break every Jan 2|pg|| nt|fabsayc: how do you survive Jan 1?|pg|| nt|henryb: by sleeping all day :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: should i deal the next board or wait for them to be seated ?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: better to wait i guess. |pg|| pc|c5|nt|leo lasota: down one|pg|| nt|leo lasota: will hold to 1|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|ritong: believe my 30 years of experience with this toy:)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: not sure why nickell discarded 8 clubs|pg|| nt|leo lasota: heart here creates further work|pg|| pc|h6|nt|Vugraphzfv: sorry, East pitched a heart earlier|pg|| nt|leo lasota: outstanding defense by Katz|pg|| nt|reisig: Rule of thumb - play the card closest to your thumb|pg|| nt|leo lasota: though personally i would exit 8 hearts not 6|pg|| pc|h7|nt|Vugraphzfv: lost play there|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: but 9 tricks agreed|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: players are taking a break|pg|| nt|reisig: Commentators too :)|pg|| nt|barnets: tks Michael|pg|| nt|leo lasota: very common with 16 board quarters to take a break halfway through, so the table is taking a rest after board 8|pg|| nt|barnets: some of these players like to smoke|pg|| nt|barnets: maybe to calm the nerves|pg|| nt|barnets: 3 I think|pg|| nt|santyclz2: And, in fact, at the other table the auction (on 7) started with 2@d by s and w had nothing to say over that.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: but west has doubled 3@s on the second round of the bidding so EW may yet bid 4@s|pg|| nt|barnets: anyway on board 7 n/s playing only 4 hearts|pg|| nt|santyclz2: They ended in 4@h by n.|pg|| nt|barnets: so only e few imps away|pg|| nt|reisig: 6 IMPs|pg|| nt|reisig: or 5 :)|pg|| nt|santyclz2: They didn't play 3 rounds of @cs off the bat so they made 5 anyway and it's only 5 imps.|pg|| pc|hK|nt|Vugraphzfv: the queen dropped|pg|| nt|xenya: ah|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|hJ|nt|xenya: and it seems S was taken in...|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| nt|leo lasota: jack clubs|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|leo lasota: 100%|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|h8|pc|c7|pg|| nt|leo lasota: excellent job by Katz... proving to Zimmerman/Multon that they will fight back|pg|| nt|leo lasota: psychologically, huge victory for the Nickell team that last hand|pg|| nt|reisig: even if - 1 IMP at a time :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: nickell-katz will only play these 8 more boards|pg|| nt|leo lasota: yes michael|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: after this it will be levin-weinstein and meckwell|pg|| pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3S932H7DAK942C8732,SAKQ854HT82D76CJ9,ST7HAJ654D5CAQT64,SJ6HKQ93DQJT83CK5|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfu: back|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|barnets: 12 imps to zimmerman|pg|| mb|2S|an|relay|mb|p|nt|barnets: now up by 20|pg|| mb|3C|an|5+ H, 4+ C, not 2-2 in other|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 10-13 HCP, 5+@H unbal, NOT 4+@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@C = 4+suit|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|s7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|c2|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|hT|pc|c4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|c3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|c8|pc|s4|pg|| mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfu: Rodwell: "sorry"|pg|| pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3S932H7DAK942C8732,SAKQ854HT82D76CJ9,ST7HAJ654D5CAQT64,SJ6HKQ93DQJT83CK5|sv|e|nt|fabsayc: very flat hands, any idea what dealing program used|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: players back :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: disa just poured some water and put some orange powder in. patapona nd willard both curious.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: tang|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: they are like "what is zis mixture?" |pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: its some orange flavored thingy to flavor water. :)|pg|| nt|henryb: Tang|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: i think you guys are right. how'd you know?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: could be scandinavian, they have many kinds|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the colour|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: players took a short restroom break|pg|| nt|fabsayc: in the other vugraph match, nickell 81 brink 56|pg|| nt|ritong: welcome to my old friend pierre rimbaud|pg|| nt|ritong: pierre is trying to find a way to fill in his name, poor thing forget about it, buddy not a real problem|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: sorry about the delay, players stepped out to the restroom|pg|| nt|bigtrain: LTT is much more then just number of trump... you always have to adjust things with bad trump breaks and minor honors in the opponents suits|pg|| mb|1H|nt|Vugraphzfv: fleisher whispered it to multon, hopefully i will catch it when kamil alerts it|pg|| nt|rimbus: OK sorry - just call me Rimbus !|pg|| mb|p|nt|barnets: 4 imps fot Cayne when 2@S made 3 down here|pg|| nt|ritong: yes bienvenue man|pg|| mb|1N|nt|fabsayc: 2@S 5 spades and 4 card minor, popular in Europe in conjunction with multi 2@D|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: i think their card says sound weak 2's, but i'm unsure|pg|| nt|kit: This is transfer to 3NT I believe|pg|| nt|reisig: 3NT - not so easy here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3nt has no play here; Levin has a hand that wants to get 3nt from partner to possibly protect Qx hearts|pg|| mb|2S|nt|henryb: Tand was an orange powdered drink invented for the Astronauts in the 60s|pg|| nt|kit: Martel is wondering where everybody is getting their bids from|pg|| nt|fabsayc: ok bad guess by me|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: just 8 boards left|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i love this bid|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: rosenberg is eyeing the 7@D sac|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the real question is will he forcing pass if willenken sacs|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but the effective defense takes away the mentality from E/W that they are in control at this table after 23, 24|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 22, 23|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: usually you doubt the player who is white vs red|pg|| nt|bigtrain: its not simplisitic... there is always adjustments occurring|pg|| mb|3S|nt|vugraphzfv: not sure what 3H means but jmeyers made a cutting her throat gesture|pg|| nt|kit: Since if West had passed, he probably would have tried 2NT|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: not a bad guess :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Jxxxx @S popular overcall tonight|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: henry comment on 1@S nicely please|pg|| nt|psyck: 8 tricks after @s lead|pg|| nt|kit: This could be the third consecutive 2NT contract -- very rare|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: when jenny doubled, molson was like "drats!" (silently though only jenny could see)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: helness asks about the j@D lead|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: chip replies "may not be normal, but standard"|pg|| nt|ritong: other room did not find 7@s either|pg|| nt|barnets: that is an interesting bid asking partner to bid 3N|pg|| nt|barnets: I like the treatment|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 10 hearts lead very useful for weinstein|pg|| nt|kit: Puts overcaller on lead. 3@C is chosen for the bid (rather than 3@H), so partner of overcaller can't make (or not make) lead-directeing double.|pg|| nt|reisig: Might actually make now|pg|| nt|kit: This lead allows declarer to set up third heart trick and get up to 8, but he needs to knock out ace of diamonds first.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: if he figures out order of play here, he can take 2 diamonds, 3 hearts, 1 club, and 3 spades :)|pg|| nt|barnets: dec has 3 hear tricks now|pg|| nt|kit: If he gets that far, he can eventually squeeze-endplay West.|pg|| nt|barnets: so the treatment has gained a trick |pg|| nt|leo lasota: spotlight is on weinstein|pg|| pc|d5|nt|fabsayc: certaintly not my idea of a weak two bid|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: zimmermann-multon must play one of the last two sets|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: (they sat out the first set)|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|vugraphzfv: molson jotting down some notes to herself...think she wants to discuss with jill meyers later|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: she wrote "when shifting to singleton against preempts..."|pg|| nt|henryb: Since I can't say anything nice, I won't say anything|pg|| nt|fabsayc: well this hand is as close to ideal if your ever going to do it|pg|| nt|kit: The 2@C overcall will make life easier for declarer, as he will prefer to finesse the clubs rather than try to guess the hearts|pg|| nt|kit: I must admit I don't understand making deceptive leads in the blind like this. Seems too likely that they will cause partner to misjudge the hand.|pg|| nt|barnets: looks like he has the first 8 |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "Thanks for the confidence, pard"|pg|| nt|warrens: wow, I thought N would go with 5 @C's|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Berk/Sontag with 3 excellent decisions to not go to 3nt|pg|| nt|leo lasota: important for partnerships to have ways of differentiating strong 2 suiters versus distributional 2 suiters here|pg|| pc|dK|nt|vugraphzfv: oh nvm she showed jenny wolpert|pg|| nt|kit: Maybe Helness should have worked out that jack of hearts not likely to be in dummy, since no need to transfer to 3NT if it were -- thus led low heart.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: agree Kit|pg|| nt|kit: But that inference isn't totally clear.|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| nt|ritong: or even better 7@c|pg|| nt|rimbus: I think 7 @s better than 7 @c|pg|| pc|h7|nt|ritong: anyways, a thin ice contract|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nevertheless|pg|| pc|h2|nt|vugraphzfv: this is wagar finals, so the table is screened.|pg|| nt|xenya: this is a quiet one -- matter of overtricks perhaps|pg|| nt|leo lasota: +100 still for N/S|pg|| pc|hA|nt|vugraphzfv: partners can't see each other.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: jenny wolpert finally gets to declare|pg|| nt|bigtrain: jeff rubens calls that "in and out" evaluation|pg|| nt|bigtrain: great book|pg|| nt|bigtrain: secrets of winning bridge|pg|| nt|leo lasota: of course, the play in 3nt may have gone differently|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Levin: I'm not thinking at trick 1 anymore|pg|| nt|leo lasota: as he would still make eafter the opening lead if he won the first diamond|pg|| nt|warrens: best is for E to overtake and shift back to @H's|pg|| nt|warrens: he can see 3@H's and 2@C's and 1@D|pg|| nt|barnets: east can duck twice|pg|| nt|kit: I don't think Weinstein can time this right.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: if he plays east for honor doubleton in clubs he can get this right|pg|| nt|reisig: May take a while to play this|pg|| nt|kit: Although he can set up a club trick on power also, though that involves losing 2 club tricks. So maybe he can.|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|leo lasota: instead of 130 in clubs|pg|| nt|leo lasota: or 110..|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: isnt it 200?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: heart ruff|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: (assuming ruff now)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: club heart ruff, diamond|pg|| nt|reisig: It ain't over - til it's over :)|pg|| pc|h6|nt|bigtrain: the number one book i recommend|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i wonder if he will give me a kickback for the free advertising :)|pg|| pc|hK|nt|vugraphzfv: jenny's like :i'm still i shock|pg|| nt|psyck: yes more interesting after say passive @h lead|pg|| nt|ritong: and ultra tough to bid when the key is xxx facing void|pg|| nt|leo lasota: after heart ruff, club to ace, heart ruff, then diamond = d2|pg|| pc|s9|nt|henryb: Of course I have nothing nice to say about South's double either|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| nt|fabsayc: contract the same in open room|pg|| nt|bobholl: kind of 3NT ew :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nickell signals for diamond|pg|| pc|dA|nt|warrens: :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: very true Warren|pg|| pc|d6|pc|cT|nt|bigtrain: you crack me up andrew|pg|| nt|warrens: impossible for N to know he had to win the @D and play on @C's|pg|| nt|leo lasota: diamond to jack trick 3 was the winning play|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|reisig: Now - a @c play|pg|| nt|kit: Weinstein basically playing this way in case East has Ax of diamonds|pg|| pc|c8|nt|warrens: not the % play|pg|| nt|reisig: and a @c :)|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|nt|kit: or diamonds 3-3. I think he is playing it correctly, although unsuccessfully on this layout. He doesn't think East has 4 diamonds when East known to have 6 hearts|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|bigtrain: famous for mission impossible production|pg|| pc|h5|nt|agumperz: Here is the book I mentioned: http://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Probability-Information-Robert-MacKinnon/dp/189710653X|pg|| nt|leo lasota: well done|pg|| pc|h9|pc|s3|nt|barnets: looks down1|pg|| nt|kit: Now East has easy club shift, and no third heart trick for declarer|pg|| nt|barnets: he can still make third heart |pg|| nt|barnets: but only for 8|pg|| nt|leo lasota: win king clubs exit j clubs|pg|| nt|barnets: ducks @CK and makes third heart|pg|| nt|leo lasota: helgemo in losing position|pg|| pc|h8|pg|| nt|rimbus: 7 @s just needs to reverse the dummy - 7 @c looks musch trickier|pg|| pc|d2|pc|sA|nt|leo lasota: nice 2 imp pickup|pg|| pc|c4|nt|warrens: now deciding whether to play another @C or try to take 4@S |pg|| nt|leo lasota: cashes but cashes club then exits clubs still d1|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| mc|7|nt|henryb: Let's just concede -1 and go on, eh|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: patapon is wearing a tshirt that says "shanghai". one of my fav cities. (also i named my dog shanghai.) |pg|| nt|leo lasota: if they keep picking up one more than last hand (+3, +4, +5...)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| pg|| qx|o26|st||md|4ST92HAQT872DAQC62,S86H9DKJT863CAKT4,SQJ54HJ4D74CQJ753,SAK73HK653D952C98|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: 5@D decent|pg|| nt|barnets: contract|pg|| nt|ritong: @h A?|pg|| nt|barnets: likely down 1|pg|| nt|ritong: it cancels possibility of finding @h KJx with declarer AND an ebtry with pard|pg|| nt|ritong: with several @hs|pg|| nt|ritong: it allows to make the right choice in other cases|pg|| nt|bigtrain: any thoooughts about the @S10?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it's my 2nd or 3rd favorite card in the deck|pg|| nt|barnets: 5@D likely down 1|pg|| nt|barnets: as west can only ruff 1 club|pg|| nt|ritong: the @h Q can encounter Kx with declarer and Jxx in dummy|pg|| pc|hA|nt|ritong: good boy, fulvio|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Meck: "good luck; you'll need it"|pg|| nt|ritong: i had a huge bet on that one you save me|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no @HJ?|pg|| nt|barnets: yes why not ?|pg|| nt|barnets: whats the point in keeping it|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: don't know, but he didn't play the j|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|c4|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: looking at dummy seems Fantoni saw no other options|pg|| pc|hT|pc|cT|nt|ritong: well, prospects are bleak if you can t set up @hs|pg|| pc|c3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h8|pc|d6|nt|barnets: had north 5@S 5@D could make ona black suit squeeze|pg|| nt|ritong: east went to 3NT wi_th zero in @ds|pg|| pc|c5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h7|pc|d8|nt|ritong: he has cards|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|dT|pc|cJ|nt|ritong: so, either @hs set up one way or the other, or he will make|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|mc|7|pg|| qx|c26|st||md|4ST92HAQT872DAQC62,S86H9DKJT863CAKT4,SQJ54HJ4D74CQJ753,SAK73HK653D952C98|sv|b|nt|vugraphzfv: disa was like "down 1?" and patapon said "okay...down 1" in a resigned tone.|pg|| nt|ritong: we can only bow to rosenberg's determination|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "Didn't wanna make jimmy's bidding look bad, so I only made 2"|pg|| nt|barnets: something more exciting now|pg|| nt|ritong: now let s see what cayne opens here|pg|| nt|ritong: my bet is a chunky 1NT|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: we're back...|pg|| nt|barnets: East led a low heart not the 10|pg|| mb|p|nt|rimbus: or 2 NT :)|pg|| nt|ritong: truth is inbetween imo|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: $ on 1@D|pg|| mb|1H|nt|fabsayc: this looks really interesting|pg|| nt|ritong: ship it|pg|| mb|2D|nt|henryb: P-P-1@s-P-2@c-P-2@s-AP|pg|| nt|barnets: an they bid and make 6@C|pg|| nt|barnets: ?|pg|| nt|psyck: very difficult|pg|| nt|leo lasota: routine 3nt here for E/W|pg|| nt|leo lasota: as was commented earlier, excellent break called by Katz after two straight bad bopards for team nickell|pg|| nt|leo lasota: and they have been solid on the two boards since|pg|| mb|p|nt|leo lasota: diamond to jack is ok if diamonds 33, or 4 in helness hand, and still has possibilities for extra trick if helness had dblton ace originally|pg|| mb|2H|nt|fabsayc: 6@C easy, 6@S superficially down|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: reality check|pg|| nt|henryb: I really dislike that opening bid|pg|| nt|ritong: 6@c not that easy|pg|| nt|ritong: esp doubled|pg|| nt|fabsayc: right, might be doubled for a spade lead|pg|| mb|3D|nt|ritong: kamil has wondered for a moment if he was good enough for 4@d|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: sounds like you're here watching it with me|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 1@H can be bid on 0 points (at least most play that way) so south can not afford to force to game|pg|| nt|ritong: i think like him, nope because no source of tricks apart trumps|pg|| nt|fabsayc: surprise 7 imps to fleischer when 7D went four down in open room|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfv: up up and away|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: jill meyers asked jill levin - big hand? |pg|| nt|3for3: this should be a dull 3nt|pg|| nt|barnets: idec needs say 8 trumps 2@H 2@D makes 12|pg|| nt|santyclz2: At the other table, Nunes (n) opened a weak nt and Katz (e) led a small @h.|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: btw internet connection here is a bit slow.|pg|| nt|ritong: i do not think it is a 3 or 4 problem rather 4 or 6 south does not want to lure his pard into a slam without goodies|pg|| nt|psyck: just 5 levels lower than we hoped for|pg|| nt|ritong: guess this shows @d shortage|pg|| nt|ritong: but unsure|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Meckwell have been known to make many 21 point 3nts, but just not here :)|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|fabsayc: i only 2 points and 1 quick tricks short of a roth opener|pg|| nt|rimbus: lead problem|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: bidding 3x would show shortness|pg|| nt|santyclz2: (against 3nt)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: trump trump shift|pg|| pc|h3|nt|xenya: 3N by W is virtually hopeless on likely @H lead -- might be quite different now...|pg|| nt|barnets: seamon has never passed before with those trump spots|pg|| nt|rimbus: waow|pg|| nt|ritong: okay we proceed differently this side of the ocean|pg|| nt|leo lasota: holds to 4|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|xenya: same|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 2@S is showing some form of @S stopper|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: or real 4+@S|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: most of the time 4+@S, any shape|pg|| nt|xenya: yes, i missed that|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| nt|kit: I would have expected a 2NT rebid instead of 3@C, but won't affect the final contract.|pg|| nt|kit: North does not have an easy lead|pg|| nt|3for3: id bet on 5/7@S|pg|| nt|kit: I'll bet on heart lead|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: any other takers? :)|pg|| nt|pelu: W has indicates 5 card @h|pg|| nt|bobholl: 2 beers on @S|pg|| nt|bobholl: fantoni opened their "strong" weak two that struck again|pg|| nt|reisig: Makes very little diff - in the score|pg|| pc|c6|nt|pelu: not taken :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: :)|pg|| nt|pelu: u were right Kit :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: must be difficult being zimmermann, hiding that grin. |pg|| nt|barnets: I guarantee that|pg|| nt|reisig: A nice calm board :)|pg|| pc|cA|nt|kit: pay up!|pg|| nt|ritong: full hit, this lead|pg|| nt|leo lasota: yes this will result in same 130|pg|| pc|c3|nt|fabsayc: odd that kamil did not bid 5@H|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 6@C unclear here|pg|| nt|ritong: multon does not double 6@c|pg|| nt|ritong: his pard likely knows about his @s void anyways|pg|| nt|fabsayc: sorry i was lost in another auction, yes 5@S denying queen, so now 6@C has to be offer to play|pg|| nt|ritong: besides, a ruff is not enough to beat a slam|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| nt|pelu: sure :)|pg|| nt|ritong: perhaps zim is trying to get them in 6@s|pg|| nt|ritong: doubling 6@c|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: looks like it|pg|| nt|ritong: on the other hand, his team led comfortably|pg|| nt|ritong: in french we say " tempête sous un crâne"|pg|| nt|barnets: Cayne will not be so pleased when he may make slam|pg|| nt|kit: It looks that way from our point of view, but not to declarer who doesn't know everything is behaving well.|pg|| nt|kit: It is not obvious at all how to play this hand I don't think.|pg|| nt|kit: Probably go for the heart ruff, planning on taking 6 spade tricks, 3 club tricks, 1 diamond trick.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: since overruff dummy in clubs|pg|| pc|s6|nt|3for3: i thought the idea was to try to lead our 5 card suits, not theirs :)|pg|| nt|xenya: note the Q, not a small card -- pinning the 9 |pg|| nt|kit: also giving the opponents headaches|pg|| nt|kit: the 10 of hearts play, that is|pg|| nt|kit: Declarer just trying to set up long heart for tenth trick -- no risk involved|pg|| nt|rimbus: a great choice, for sure|pg|| pc|s5|nt|ritong: on the other hand, he is threatened with long @cs|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Sontag: I have to think...leaves table|pg|| nt|leo lasota: wonder what the decision will be on throwing out boards this set and if there will be a penalty, which side will it go towards?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Certainly, Sontag is not known for receiving slow play penalties :)|pg|| nt|reisig: Sontag has to think???? Yikes|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Levin spills coffee on a few of the remaining boards|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Sontag returns|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| nt|henryb: the duck (quack-quack) doubleton is not an endearing feature|pg|| nt|3for3: helgemo knows he is making this. martel not so sure|pg|| nt|3for3: this would be a good hand for the rubber bridge variation, no overtricks. |pg|| pc|c9|pc|c2|nt|bigtrain: back finally|pg|| pc|cK|nt|ritong: i think his choice might be different vs 1NT 3NT|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| pc|c4|nt|rimbus: will he play a SMLA|pg|| pc|c7|nt|ritong: when AJxx is very low on the opening leads quality scale|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 2 rds trumps then start diamonds seems right|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|fabsayc: quack is shorthand for queen-jack|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Nunes went down 2 at the other table and Nickell gained 2 more imps.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 19 imp lead through 26 boards for Monaco|pg|| nt|bobholl: m ainly mistakes by nickel (22 and 23)|pg|| nt|reisig: 25|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 8 imps Monaco here sry|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 25 imp lead :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: As was noted earlier, Zimmerman/Multon will be playing 3rd quarter, while Nickell/Katz will be done after this quarter|pg|| pc|hA|nt|barnets: the late and great Edgar Kaplan said takeout Xs are meant to be taken out|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "Just 1 for me"|pg|| nt|reisig: NEXT|pg|| pc|dK|nt|rimbus: i meant a SMALL heart ?|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| nt|xenya: so it looks like 3 off|pg|| nt|leo lasota: high trump|pg|| mc|10|nt|psyck: 6@c, even after trump lead, you can make with 7@c, 2@h via fin, 3@d|pg|| nt|kit: This line works fine when both spades and diamonds are 3-2, but I'm not convinced it is right (not convinced it is wrong either)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: see if either team gains the momentum heading into the break based on the last 6 boards of the set here|pg|| pg|| qx|o27|st||md|1SAQ9H6DQ965C98654,S83H9543DKT432CQ2,SKJT6HAK872D7CAJ3,S7542HQJTDAJ8CKT7|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: 25 where Nunes opened 2@H on 55 hand Zimmermann gets to overcall after 1@H-P-1N now playing 3@S west|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|barnets: on 25 e/w are in 3@S which sh|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@H=13+ hcp, maybe fewer with 4+@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|barnets: should go down 2|pg|| nt|barnets: on 2 ruffs|pg|| nt|ahollan1: minimum point count lowered by 1 in 3rd/4th seat|pg|| nt|ahollan1: absolute 1-round force|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N=0-9 hcp, not 4+@S|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|nt|barnets: n/s can make a few spades|pg|| nt|barnets: def|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but 1N denies 4+@S so not strong enough to explore further|pg|| nt|ady: may duck then 8 tricks|pg|| pc|d2|pc|h2|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c27|st||md|1SAQ9H6DQ965C98654,S83H9543DKT432CQ2,SKJT6HAK872D7CAJ3,S7542HQJTDAJ8CKT7|sv|o|nt|vugraphzfv: somehow this table is now faster than the other, despite the slower start.|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: any expert would like to be commentator?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: val keeps trying to apologize for not bidding more, and disa says "shush we not cold for anything"|pg|| nt|fabsayc: ok now i am declaring lead may be too large|pg|| nt|henryb: which hand is too large?|pg|| nt|henryb: which lead?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the lead in this match|pg|| nt|xenya: actually could have been 4 if S had discarded a club and a diamond|pg|| nt|barnets: I must say I hate the pass of 1@SX|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: we resume|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: cayne didn't look too happy seeing that pass. |pg|| nt|psyck: neither the x nor the pass were pretty|pg|| nt|rimbus: declarer would play well to play the king with K9xx|pg|| nt|warrens: 4@S looks likely to go down|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: Weinstein left table as dummy...hasn't returned|pg|| nt|warrens: but only if they play it :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: here we go|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 1D opening may slow Levin/Weinstein down and keep them from bidding a game that would likely go down|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: try for game opp 20-21 2nt?|pg|| nt|ritong: to morrow, west will have 5 @hs and it will work|pg|| mb|p|nt|santyclz2: Helness refused to ruff and is cold against anything other than a @c ruff by n.|pg|| mb|1H|nt|phil: re|pg|| nt|phil: I think so|pg|| mb|p|nt|xenya: is E worth 2@H here?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: yes, sorry, i was trying to read their alert sheet|pg|| nt|phil: the question is will NS compete to 3@d|pg|| nt|barnets: some may open 4@H|pg|| nt|psyck: Cayne could bid 2@s or something with a 2 loser hand & @s void, & of couse S need not have passed with that hand|pg|| nt|barnets: opposite a passed partner|pg|| mb|1N|nt|phil: if Fleisher has @d's, great|pg|| nt|barnets: some may open 2@S as West|pg|| nt|psyck: yes 3rd seat & @h suit are generally more suitable to a preemtive bid|pg|| nt|kit: 2@H is constructive raise|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: but if Fleisher is balanced selling out looks better - maybe even x'd|pg|| nt|psyck: W hand was yucky for any choice of bids|pg|| nt|ritong: with their microNT, they need a good scrambling system|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3NT is a pretty bad spot compared to 4@H|pg|| mb|2C|nt|Vugraphzfv: "Spades were so good, I'll try it again"|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 6@C on 42 with diamond lead in open room|pg|| nt|barnets: had North opened 4@H East probably would bid 4N|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|nt|ritong: prudent fold by tor|pg|| nt|barnets: 5@HX down 2|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: gold medal to passing 4@S?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Knowing the opening bid is behing his cards, Weinstein slowed down and took the low road|pg|| nt|leo lasota: behind|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: zia showed '5' hearts|pg|| nt|3for3: was willing to play 43 if it came to that|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "i know you like a good challenge, zia"|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the 4-4 spade fit was not considered, so martel did not have the clue available here|pg|| nt|rimbus: Anyway, Duboin chosed a spade lead : who is right ?|pg|| nt|ritong: the scoreboard is|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: not a good start for the defense|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: what was 3@D from the other table?|pg|| nt|warrens: hmm, this is a little dangerous|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 8 diamonds anyone?|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: important to unblock a club honor perhaps|pg|| nt|phil: big danger of a losing spade getting ditched on the @dK|pg|| nt|leo lasota: these intermediate hands with 45 in the majors are never easy with standard bidding methods|pg|| pc|s4|nt|barnets: no gold medal today|pg|| nt|barnets: whose mistake was this ?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 4@S seemed like some sort of shortness bid|pg|| nt|barnets: wonder what 3@H showed /|pg|| nt|kit: Diamond lead would be quite reasonable -- by far best chance of finding partner's 5-card sut.|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Some pairs, including Helness and Helgemo use 3@h for no 5 card major rather than 3nt.|pg|| nt|barnets: maybe its no 4 or 5 card major|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: i think thats right barnet|pg|| nt|kit: I think no 4 or 5-card major. 3NT = 5 hearts.|pg|| nt|kit: This lets partner bid 3@S over 3@H with 5 spades and 4 hearts.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Nickell correctly passes 3C and will certainly go plus here|pg|| pc|sA|nt|vugraphzfv: wonder what line jill levin will choose. |pg|| nt|ritong: @c hook basically ensures it, doesn t it?|pg|| nt|rimbus: 10 of clubs from hand|pg|| pc|s3|nt|kit: which is a problem distribution if playing Puppet (which I guess they are)|pg|| pc|s6|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3C may have pushed them up a level, but declarer will duck here|pg|| pc|d5|nt|grebrof: @c 6 from Helness?|pg|| nt|psyck: surely Helness will take the blame, whoever made the mistake|pg|| pc|d2|nt|3for3: perfectly legal for zia to do what he did. his partner will play him for 5 hearts, and raise to 4 with 3 card support.|pg|| nt|ritong: guess he would raise that pot under different circumstances|pg|| pc|d7|nt|barnets: 3|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s8|nt|leo lasota: heart to queen and ace here|pg|| pc|sT|pg|| nt|phil: can Kamil block the club suit by playing the Q??|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|nt|bobholl: 6@H should convince helness to throw a @S |pg|| nt|leo lasota: does he bring this in with only one diamond ?|pg|| pc|c3|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|phil: which prevents the entry|pg|| pc|hA|nt|xenya: now he just draws trumps and plays a club|pg|| pc|hT|nt|phil: Kamil cannot lead clubs however|pg|| nt|phil: well I guess he can cash spades|pg|| nt|phil: and then a club over for Fleisher to cash |pg|| nt|xenya: that @D was wrong -- on this layout|pg|| nt|phil: Fleisher is marked with the @sK|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pg|| nt|leo lasota: at best, E/W will score 3 additional trump tricks here|pg|| pc|hK|nt|vugraphzfv: jill levin thinking hard|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: i think all the players from wagar finals are often on bbo. team captain for westheimer, vdoubleu, is familiar to many bboers, especially the juniors. she's involved in organizing ...|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: special programs for kids|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: sorry i can't give technical analyses. maybe an expert will like to be commentator?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: jill meyers is very well accessorized. i think she has 3 necklaces on. very cool looking. |pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: TD ken van cleef just walked in. not sure what he wants. think he's just observing|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: oh he came to drink some water :p|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: I met a bunch of bboers at this national. one gave us a very good idea for vugraph - audience participation. how cool would that be?|pg|| nt|ritong: the fact that americans can raise on three cards has importance, too|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d9|nt|xenya: actually S can even play a @D now|pg|| nt|kit: Looks like he can power it home with the trump spots|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|barnets: only prob using 3N to show 5@H , you dont have a 3@S slam try and have to use 4@C as atry over 3N|pg|| pc|h2|nt|3for3: helness needed to lead club thru to break endplay|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|c4|nt|barnets: as 4@D is a transfer back|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|phil: yeah I guess he can|pg|| pc|dK|pc|cJ|nt|leo lasota: club here|pg|| nt|kit: trump looks more threatening, but I don't see how anything matters|pg|| nt|leo lasota: would a trump shift after winning diamond have worked any better?|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|nt|3for3: he still needs to guess who to endplay tho|pg|| pc|c5|nt|bobholl: S doesn't know who has !K :)|pg|| nt|phil: clubs are blocked with no reentry|pg|| nt|warrens: I don't think so, since it would leave dummy with 2 high clubs|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|leo lasota: +110 for a push|pg|| pc|sK|nt|leo lasota: declarer will not take safe diamond finesse|pg|| pc|s5|nt|leo lasota: indeed levin brings this home; well done|pg|| pc|s9|nt|leo lasota: wil not|pg|| pc|cQ|pg|| nt|leo lasota: will now.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o28|st||md|2S2HAKQT7DQ98CAQ53,SKT754H52D763CJ97,SA3HJ63DAKJT2CK82,SQJ986H984D54CT64|sv|n|nt|barnets: grand slam|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|nt|barnets: actually 4 different Grandslams can make|pg|| nt|ady: 15 tricks with clubs 3-3|pg|| mb|p|nt|barnets: thats unusual|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: balanced hands in strong NT range are opened 1@C|pg|| nt|barnets: c|pg|| nt|barnets: c|pg|| mb|2H|an|10+ 5+ hearts|nt|Vugraphzfu: 1@D is unbalanced|pg|| mb|p|nt|ady: wont take long to play|pg|| nt|rimbus: 8 down in spades is not a very good save :)|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|an|alerted|mb|p|mb|3D|an|15+ (I think)|nt|ady: 7@D 16 tricks speck observed |pg|| nt|barnets: not against 7N it isnt|pg|| nt|barnets: need to bid an 8th spade|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = game force, 5+ suit|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|nt|ahollan1: 2N i think bal 15+ but yesterday someone said 3-fit|pg|| nt|barnets: I bet they reach 7N any takers ?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: it was meckstroth|pg|| mb|d|nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: welcome Kit|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: hi kit|pg|| mb|r|an|1st rd spade control|nt|ady: hi Kit|pg|| nt|ritong: welcome buddy|pg|| nt|bigtrain: hi kit|pg|| nt|ahollan1: from yesterday think 3@C = 13+ hcp, 5@H 4+other|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C|an|Nunes: "I think cue"|nt|barnets: so 3 imps for Nickell when 3@S was down 2 vul|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|barnets: This time South got his ruffs|pg|| nt|barnets: sorry only 2 imps|pg|| nt|barnets: against 130 here|pg|| mb|p|mb|4N|an|even # key cards|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4N = Turbo Convention SHOWING even of keycards [0/2/4]|pg|| mb|6C|nt|ahollan1: does anyone know which suit is trump?|pg|| nt|barnets: Zimmerman stopped in 3@D so will get some more imps with 3N down here|pg|| mb|p|mb|6D|mb|p|mb|7H|nt|smoller: does not matter, any suit except spades|pg|| nt|ritong: ecco|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 26 Zimmermann playing 3@D west|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that's hand where Fantoni led !AH against 3N|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Meck asking for explanation of all the bids|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|mc|13|nt|ahollan1: we want explanations too|pg|| pg|| qx|c28|st||md|2S2HAKQT7DQ98CAQ53,SKT754H52D763CJ97,SA3HJ63DAKJT2CK82,SQJ986H984D54CT64|sv|n|nt|vugraphzfv: kinda hoping the other room plays faster. then we'll get instant results.|pg|| nt|3for3: he got it right though, well done|pg|| nt|bobholl: @C K|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: zia said he was playing helgemo for the k|pg|| nt|barnets: yes that always seems to happen|pg|| nt|psyck: that was the problem with passing W hand, should have opened & got it off his chest|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Berk was caught on opening lead in losing situation of winning king clubs on air or ducking and not winning the king later|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: Fleisher putting together a nice surge this quarter - they'd be perfect except for that 5@d earlier|pg|| nt|xenya: that was a hair raising experience|pg|| nt|barnets: I agree|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: also depends if they open 1@C with 5-5 blacks or 1@S|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 7nt easy here|pg|| mb|1N|nt|vugraphzfv: how often have we held a good hand, only to have partner preempt. then we dont know what to bid cos only singleton in p's suit|pg|| nt|phil: no dull hands here :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|xenya: indeed not|pg|| mb|2D|nt|vugraphzfv: looks like correct bid is pass :)|pg|| nt|cc469: Zia met the challenge with flying colours :)|pg|| nt|rimbus: Helness just lost one @d and... the 3 of @s !|pg|| nt|ritong: swing coming|pg|| nt|ritong: @c slam for sure|pg|| nt|ritong: not that it is a great spot, but difficult to avoid it|pg|| nt|rimbus: or no trump ?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: with 14 top tricks (and a 4th in clubs if it was needed)|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: another challenge, to bid slam after opponents opening|pg|| nt|grebrof: 3@d from Willenken is oldfashioned?|pg|| nt|phil: Zimmerman not in on the joke and bids 5@c|pg|| nt|xenya: and NS seem to be contributing a lot too|pg|| nt|psyck: 65 is probably a 1@s opening even for those opening 1@c with 55 like NS do|pg|| nt|warrens: that will be an important result if Pepsi-Kweicien go to game|pg|| mb|2H|mb|2S|nt|grebrof: its not that a preempt like that has to be leaddirecting|pg|| nt|kit: This will be dull 3NT or 4@S -- will have to wait for another board for excitement|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Decision to directly raise spades here with 2 aces and dblton|pg|| nt|warrens: 2@S using precision?|pg|| nt|warrens: thought that promised 4|pg|| nt|kit: apparently it is permissable with them.|pg|| nt|warrens: maybe they've modified it|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice fitting cards here and favorable breaks result in 4 spades making for N/S|pg|| nt|barnets: 2N is a 4 card heart raise|pg|| nt|reisig: Surely - 4@s here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice 2S call here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: may get in the way of reaching the 7nt|pg|| nt|leo lasota: grand was bid in the other room|pg|| mb|3S|nt|vugraphzfv: sorry our internet died and the access code didn't work. we lost 59 and losing 60 since i just returned.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 1nt by val?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: we lost internet. these are approximation. i think contract is right though|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: because val is declarer right now.|pg|| nt|ritong: this won t take ages|pg|| nt|leo lasota: so a chance for Monaco pickup here|pg|| mb|4S|nt|phil: always 11 regardless of @dQ|pg|| nt|phil: but they had an 1100 for the taking in 5@c|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: offering 1100 atm - but insufficent compensation for what NS can make|pg|| mb|5H|mb|p|nt|leo lasota: 5H certainly an encouraging bid from Nickell, see what Katz does now|pg|| mb|6C|nt|Vugraphzfv: zimmermann flips is cards over really quickly|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: n/s seem to always ask for it|pg|| nt|rimbus: in NT you cannot try a double finesse in @d, missing the 7 !|pg|| nt|ritong: now zim might dislike @h KJx|pg|| nt|rimbus: Sorry you HAVE 12 tricks with only THREE @d|pg|| nt|ritong: when pard denied @h control|pg|| nt|ritong: but he is basically facing 5+@cs|pg|| nt|ritong: pard raised @ds|pg|| nt|ritong: and why would he lose 2@hs directly?|pg|| nt|rimbus: The raise of @d is exactly what must warn you...|pg|| nt|rimbus: It means : at best will need a finesse|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: in the tank|pg|| nt|ritong: ?|pg|| nt|ritong: my reg pard has KQx to raise:)|pg|| nt|rimbus: yes, but you ask for keys, dont you ?|pg|| nt|ritong: at worst K10x|pg|| nt|kit: seems like pretty clear 4@S bid. Slam impossible, and no reason anything else should be better.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: play will go quickly here; making 4|pg|| mb|6S|nt|xenya: that's right|pg|| nt|phil: a treatment I like, but have not implemented over 4@c: |pg|| nt|phil: 4@s and 4@h are FORCING|pg|| nt|phil: 4@d is a puppet to a signoff in either|pg|| nt|fabsayc: only making four?|pg|| nt|mayors: 450?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: corrected|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Nickell has a gold mine now|pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfv: insta-claim|pg|| nt|kit: Time to play in Swiss -- bye everybody|pg|| nt|leo lasota: gl kit|pg|| nt|reisig: bye Kit - thx|pg|| nt|barnets: cu Kit tks|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Thanks Kit.|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: that one extra level made the difference|pg|| nt|barnets: no hope here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Katz cannot bid the grand; Nickell is the one looking at the ace spade, ak diamond, k club|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 8 tricks for the defense to 6S dbled|pg|| nt|reisig: Pass must be @s ace plus stuff|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 1700|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 11 imps to zimmermann if this is doubled|pg|| mb|7H|nt|3for3: but! this will be down a lot so all is well for Fleisher|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|reisig: Nice job- Ralph!|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 7S and then 7nt ? :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Neither Multon or Zimmerman has anything resembling a defensive trick|pg|| mb|7S|nt|rimbus: As I said, I fear a double finesse....|pg|| nt|ritong: ugliest possible dummy for francky|pg|| nt|leo lasota: only chance of 5 is leading low club to king at some point and defense duck and not take their ace clubs|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 5@S by Zimmermann on his first turn might have been more successful|pg|| nt|leo lasota: as said -p- p - 7nt!!|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: notthat europeans never do that, but americans certainly do it way more frequently|pg|| nt|barnets: low scoring set so far|pg|| nt|barnets: yesterday Nickell beat gordon 81-73|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Particularly considering only 2 push boards to date.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: -5 or push based on nickell's decision here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: if hes willing to bid 6@s why not bid THAT the first time?|pg|| mb|d|nt|grebrof: 8 imps for Monaco?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: whose ghost arises if you do it in France|pg|| nt|ritong: none|pg|| nt|ritong: but brigidda is awake|pg|| nt|barnets: which is one of the lwest scoring matches i have seen|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: can get 1400 if they can promote k@D|pg|| nt|grebrof: as someone says, Rosenbergs 1@s can be only 3, but still...|pg|| nt|kit: Zia may have to be guessing which black 10 to play his partner for|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|leo lasota: 68-38|pg|| nt|leo lasota: good pressure from Multon|pg|| pc|s2|nt|vugraphzfv: some of jill meyers discards were wrong|pg|| nt|ritong: we just rebid 1NT more easily|pg|| nt|ritong: @d K is on, and there is a @c disparity|pg|| nt|leo lasota: well deserved 5 imps for Monaco|pg|| mc|5|nt|leo lasota: well played :)|pg|| nt|reisig: Well played :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: lol|pg|| nt|agumperz: jinx :)|pg|| pg|| qx|o29|st||md|3S63HKDJT75CAT9876,SJT952HAT654D2CJ3,SAQ8HJ93DKQ983CK4,SK74HQ872DA64CQ52|sv|b|mb|1C|nt|Vugraphzfu: Fantoni: "should have bid 8"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|an|no major|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = 0-11, not 4+@H/@S|pg|| mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 1N 15-18|pg|| nt|barnets: needs a heart lead and spade switch to beat 5@D|pg|| nt|ady: 5 diamonds of with heart lead and spade return|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 14+ hcp, 4+@C or 15+ bal all 1-suit openings 1-round force|pg|| mb|p|nt|ady: assuming north declarer|pg|| mb|3H|an|3=1-(5,4) usually|nt|smoller: The heart lead will ot be obvious, but will NS bid 5@D?|pg|| nt|ady: sorry north|pg|| nt|ritong: this might displease nunes, regarding NTs|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 27 Nickell playing 3@C north|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: so i think the answer to your question is yes, steen|pg|| nt|barnets: so great contract now for the lead|pg|| pc|h7|nt|ady: good lead |pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|d5|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|d7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|dT|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Nunes shows his hand|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c29|st||md|3S63HKDJT75CAT9876,SJT952HAT654D2CJ3,SAQ8HJ93DKQ983CK4,SK74HQ872DA64CQ52|sv|b|nt|vugraphzfv: I see experts in the audience today.anyone want to comment?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: scores are correct but not the play/bidding obviously :)|pg|| nt|phil: maybe not forcing, but 4M is highly invitiational|pg|| nt|rimbus: may be he thought teh @d 3 was a FORCED card !!!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: nickell comments: i didn't like the pot odds|pg|| nt|leo lasota: decent 5D game here in other room by Monaco|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but down on heart to ace and spade through before trump ace knocked out|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Well done by Rod to lead a heart although dummy showed shortness. Any other lead and it makes|pg|| nt|leo lasota: absolutely Roland|pg|| mb|1N|nt|xenya: he didn't know about the @S9|pg|| nt|reisig: 2@s?|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: 4 more boards. insurmountable odds against team joel|pg|| nt|grebrof: well, it was 8|pg|| nt|kit: A chance for Fleisher to get some IMPs back if they can somehow diagonse this slam|pg|| nt|barnets: many open 1@H here|pg|| nt|rimbus: because when you have 10 7 3 you (ritong) play the 7|pg|| nt|ritong: i think seamon got it double bluffing|pg|| nt|leo lasota: friendly layout for 4S here|pg|| nt|reisig: OK :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: yes Rich; many times it is ok to open 7 card suit at the 2 level|pg|| mb|3N|nt|ritong: yes|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: reverse reverse psychology?|pg|| nt|kit: Very think game -- not likely to be reached.|pg|| mb|p|nt|grebrof: at the other table I think it was a jumpfit|pg|| nt|grebrof: here explained as weakish|pg|| nt|kit: Maybe the problem will be even getting to game|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: explained as weak, but how weak based off vul|pg|| nt|grebrof: someone has been looking at the CC - its a jumpfit, but weakish then|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: saved by the 2N|pg|| nt|psyck: they show feature here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: especially vul|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: those who really want to have commentary, try to go to new bbo version at www.bridgebase.com . there is audio commentary there|pg|| nt|grebrof: I think many nowadays just bid at the 1 level when they have no fit|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@D nat GF|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3D natural non forcing?|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|nt|psyck: N may have decided his hand is featureless|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 2S, 4D the limit on the hand againmst accurate defense|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: forcing for one round|pg|| nt|leo lasota: ok|pg|| pc|hA|nt|xenya: chance to stop low now?|pg|| nt|barnets: a good vul game|pg|| nt|psyck: probably needed a better @c suit to show a non min feature for them|pg|| nt|barnets: likely make with @HK onside|pg|| nt|kit: With no Drury, Levin is done.|pg|| nt|reisig: This lots like -100|pg|| nt|barnets: good lead|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: welcome to mike edwards|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: typed commentator :)|pg|| nt|xenya: nope|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@S is a relay'|pg|| nt|leo lasota: precision defense can really hurt 3nt here|pg|| pc|h5|nt|ritong: totally auto trump lead|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "I've played too many spades, I need to change suits for once"|pg|| nt|leo lasota: if declasrere misguesses heart here|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hQ|nt|Vugraphzfv: zia: "i'm not allowed to redouble, i'm banned from it"|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the fastest site for scores is bridgewinners.com|pg|| nt|leo lasota: if puts in 9, then down 1|pg|| nt|leo lasota: well done|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|xenya: tough choice of lead for E|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@H shows extra @H length without 6@S|pg|| pc|h8|nt|medwards: OK|pg|| nt|ritong: brb|pg|| nt|leo lasota: just another push...|pg|| pc|d5|nt|vugraphzfv: welcome. i can't see/hear the voice commentary. thought this table was operating in silence lol|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2NT would show a strong @D rebid|pg|| nt|leo lasota: soon to claim down 1|pg|| nt|barnets: on a club lead ded may make|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Nickell should cash king clubs|pg|| nt|leo lasota: in case of faint hope QJ dblton|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: should zimmermann then drop @cJ for down two?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: umm NO|pg|| nt|leo lasota: :)|pg|| pc|h6|nt|kit: what a disaster -- 4@S down when cold for 6@D|pg|| nt|kit: Assuming Helness believes the lead as a singleton|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: fantunes table has finished play!|pg|| pc|c2|nt|medwards: Off to good lead|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: audio commentators - experts pelu and swanson|pg|| nt|medwards: seems like heart lead now is best looking at east hand|pg|| nt|barnets: he can win and duck a diamond|pg|| pc|c6|nt|warrens: a quick 5|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Although very unlikely that the game will be bid, potential pickup for the Gordon team if they push to the 4S here|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| nt|warrens: they'd have to be very pushy|pg|| pc|d3|nt|fabsayc: now clubs|pg|| nt|rimbus: I would play the jack of @c frpom dummy...|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Multon has sure 5 tricks in sight|pg|| pc|d4|nt|xenya: now even i could make it|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| nt|3for3: 13 more for Monaco|pg|| nt|xenya: oh i retract -- some communication problems|pg|| pc|d7|pc|s2|nt|medwards: not best|pg|| nt|barnets: then @SA and two more diamonds pitchin a heart|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dA|nt|psyck: yes game would have been ok single dummy i suppose|pg|| nt|barnets: Monaco won the recent European Championship an will be one of the favorites in the upcoming world Championships next month|pg|| nt|barnets: this team was put toghether specially by Pierre Zimmerman a Swiss national|pg|| nt|barnets: it does not ,matter whther west or east ruffs|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 4th rd hearts here|pg|| nt|barnets: def lose a trick|pg|| pc|dT|nt|leo lasota: but no trump promo with J3 dblton|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|h7|nt|leo lasota: next...|pg|| pc|c7|pc|hT|mc|8|pg|| qx|o30|st||md|4ST85H85DQJT75CT82,SKJ6HATD9843CQ754,SA9HKQJ962DA2CK63,SQ7432H743DK6CAJ9|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfu: Meckwell agreeing the double of 1@S in the last auction is spades, and 2@C is takeout|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|d|nt|kit: Let's see where Rodwell draws the line on his opening bid|pg|| mb|1H|an|spades|mb|p|mb|1S|an|3 spades|nt|bigtrain: 1@H = 4+@S|pg|| mb|2H|nt|bigtrain: 1@S = 3@S|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Nunes will go to 3@H, and that should be that I think|pg|| mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg|| nt|kit: Selling out to 2@S looks pretty strange|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| nt|ritong: his scoresheet looks good|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h7|nt|ritong: perhaps a start of explanation|pg|| pc|c8|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ady: 10@S will make|pg|| nt|ritong: but yes, he does not always have 8 tricks or so|pg|| pc|s2|nt|bigtrain: i don't mean to be abrupt... you caught me in the middle of a million questions :)|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|bigtrain: obviously that was private :(|pg|| nt|barnets: in grandslam hand e/w bid up to 4@S|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: on the grand slam hand multon-zimmermann competing vigorously in @S after 1N-2@D//2@H|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pg|| nt|barnets: making it more diff|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|ahollan1: sorry Barnet faster again|pg|| pc|sT|pc|d3|pc|h2|pg|| nt|barnets: for n/s|pg|| pc|s7|pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d7|pc|d9|pc|h9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c30|st||md|4ST85H85DQJT75CT82,SKJ6HATD9843CQ754,SA9HKQJ962DA2CK63,SQ7432H743DK6CAJ9|sv|o|nt|vugraphzfv: molson took more tricks than at the other room|pg|| nt|grebrof: I dont think it was a jumpfit|pg|| nt|fabsayc: now that casual diamond king play not looking so good|pg|| nt|barnets: an contains 2 Italians, one from france and of course 2 from norway|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Cayne "Good lead"|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Seamon "I practice those all the time"|pg|| nt|ritong: some relaxation after the stressing slam|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: no time pressure at this table now|pg|| nt|barnets: so east found the killing opening lead|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice result for meckwell in other room making 3 spades here|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: is weak 2s with east's hand ever okay? |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: not a jump fit|pg|| nt|phil: Fleisher have had a lot of small swings by simply allowing less undertricks than Zimmerman this set|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: and the defense didnt take so many :)|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: we'll probably get to interview mildred breed from the other room soon. very nice lady|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: check out bbo news for updates :) yep pelu lol|pg|| mb|1H|nt|Vugraphzfv: 3 boards to go in this set. |pg|| mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: well this definitely proves they're not playing Polish Club|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 1H-P-P-dbl|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: West might have bid some clubs there -- would have made things even more exciting|pg|| nt|phil: EW play weak NT's? |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: unsure, they were only discussing multi's and their other 2 level openers at the beginning|pg|| nt|xenya: looks like it --nonvulnerable perhaps|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 2@C forcing?, probably|pg|| nt|ritong: now we are in 3NT, from south or north depending upon kamil's decision to raise fsf|pg|| mb|2S|nt|fabsayc: not without an overbidder's lisence, hard to get in PA|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: LOL|pg|| nt|grebrof: not even a fitjump|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: n/s described their system as 2/1 with some modifications|pg|| nt|leo lasota: not sure the 1S overcall|pg|| mb|3H|nt|leo lasota: second dbl shows extras, usually 2 spades|pg|| nt|leo lasota: certainly it is a bidder's game|pg|| mb|p|nt|3for3: big result for monaco in OR|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: ew do not play forcing nt|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Does anyone know if Sontag has ever been issued a slow play penalty?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Looks normal to me|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but the moth eaten suit may just telegraph the play for N/S |pg|| mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfv: the ecats site notes 10-13 unvul|pg|| nt|phil: looks like a push|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: *nonvul|pg|| nt|xenya: losing a trick in each suit|pg|| nt|phil: ah ha thanks|pg|| nt|ritong: north it will be, then|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: I played live bridge for the 2nd time ever yesterday. overbid like crazy. it was fun :)|pg|| nt|xenya: i'll go and het coffee|pg|| nt|fabsayc: this treatment or similar is called Cole convention, part of Washington Standard|pg|| nt|fabsayc: described in Bridge World many years ago by Kit Woolsey|pg|| nt|ritong: ominous|pg|| nt|ritong: is there really anything else than 3NT?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: no|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: fleisher scratching his head...|pg|| nt|ritong: well, he cannot "transfer" NTs to his pard|pg|| nt|fabsayc: south has shown a hand not worth a reverse with 5+ diamonds and 4 hearts|pg|| nt|fabsayc: perhaps fleisher worried about club stoppers, he could bid 3@S|pg|| nt|ritong: 3@s would certainly show an other handtype|pg|| nt|ritong: although we can t be certain about their system inferences, but..|pg|| nt|bigtrain: seems like 4@S should be the fits that weren't good enough to raise directly |pg|| nt|leo lasota: From Helness perspective, partner may have either 5 clubs or 5 hearts|pg|| nt|reisig: Never got the @h suit involved|pg|| nt|santyclz2: The dread "do something intelligent" x. One of the best ways to find your 3-3 fits.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: or...|pg|| pc|h4|nt|vugraphzfv: willard asked for their cc and is studying their carding |pg|| nt|phil: if they do play weak NT's, isn't 2@s plenty? |pg|| nt|barnets: Open room miles behind only on board 9 !|pg|| nt|leo lasota: may result in +50 :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: or 100..|pg|| pc|h5|nt|ritong: bon|pg|| pc|hA|nt|grebrof: and ok result for HH here too|pg|| nt|xenya: this makes|pg|| nt|phil: maybe he's a touch too strong...|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 3@S was alerted, but kamil didn't care for an explanation|pg|| nt|kit: canape style potentially. South doesn't know which suit is longer.|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| nt|psyck: Cayne appeared to take 2@c as promising @s tolerance, it is not clear to me that it should|pg|| nt|warrens: N showing 4+ in both suits, either 54++ or 45++|pg|| nt|leo lasota: up for partnership discussion what 2nt would mean on this auction by East|pg|| nt|leo lasota: expect this to go down 2|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 1 imp to Nickell|pg|| pc|s6|nt|fabsayc: what is the meaning of spade jack|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: as always, Pepsi as dummy opens a thick book in Polish|pg|| pc|sA|nt|3for3: AND a big result here too|pg|| nt|kit: The good news for Fleisher here is that both pairs have a disaster on the same board|pg|| nt|grebrof: yes, agree|pg|| nt|3for3: yes, that tends to compress the imps lost|pg|| nt|kit: Not sure I understand the 2@D call|pg|| nt|warrens: nor I|pg|| nt|warrens: 3nt is a pretty good contract|pg|| nt|kit: Actually, North might have bid 3@C over 1NT, which is highly invitational.|pg|| nt|kit: The fact the South is thinking indicates that perhaps North has shown a very strong hand.|pg|| nt|kit: But he better pass, as a diamond lead defeats 3NT I believe.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but as expected, E/W had the mwethods to uncover the 8 card fit; well done|pg|| nt|reisig: Good job|pg|| nt|leo lasota: easy for defense to hold the declarer to 5 trump tricks and 2 aces|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: willard let down the partition now. she's whispering to valerie|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: but unfortunately i can't hear them|pg|| nt|3for3: the bad news is they will still be down more than 50|pg|| pc|hK|nt|medwards: this hand should be a push i would think|pg|| pc|h3|nt|ritong: multon would lead the third best with six cards|pg|| nt|ritong: thus, @c3 cannot be more than 5|pg|| nt|warrens: yes, 3NT likely to go down|pg|| pc|h8|nt|vugraphzfv: willard asked for diamond but patapon played heart. and so did disa. so they then redid it|pg|| nt|phil: in old KS, an early weak NT system, 3@s showed a powerhouse|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| nt|medwards: mildred is a very nice lady. she many good stories from the old days|pg|| nt|barnets: Tiger just holed a 50 ft put !|pg|| nt|psyck: these players a bit faster than Fantoni etc in other room|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|vugraphzfv: we'll make sure to ask her about the good ole days then :)|pg|| nt|medwards: ask hr about first acbl conv cards|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: this looks good for EW, no? i can see a small gain?|pg|| nt|barnets: but hes just 5 under|pg|| nt|barnets: now|pg|| pc|h7|nt|grebrof: bidding a stretchy 3nt nonvul is more or less what they have so far|pg|| nt|3for3: he hasnt made this yet.|pg|| pc|d5|nt|phil: but their 1m openings were fairly beefy too|pg|| nt|leo lasota: eventually having to break the cdlub suit himself|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|kit: East can comfortably discard 2 hearts and 1 spade on the run of the clubs, so nothing bad should happen.|pg|| pc|s9|nt|leo lasota: easy 140 here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: some very friendly banter at the table|pg|| nt|leo lasota: plenty of exit cards for East here|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sT|nt|barnets: anyway board 10 coming in open when they played 1@SX here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: West should win spade fire diamond through|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but defense still succeeds on spade continuation|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| nt|fabsayc: diamond discard?|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: nah after patapon won the CA. next trick|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i suppose it is ok|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: diamond from dummy :)|pg|| pc|d4|nt|leo lasota: careful thought by zimmerman|pg|| nt|leo lasota: very nice|pg|| pc|dA|nt|vugraphzfv: quite a few zzz kibitzers kibbing this table. zzz used to be those who logged in anonymously to kib|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: but nowadays its likely to be bboers kibbing via their mobile apps. smartphones, tablets :)|pg|| nt|3for3: ok, now he is home|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d2|nt|ritong: rosenberg has shown the @h singleton|pg|| nt|ritong: @sJ, then trump echo, showing ability to ruff|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|nt|fabsayc: the heart queen play may pay dividends |pg|| pc|d8|pg|| nt|leo lasota: queen spade|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|sJ|nt|psyck: this table may finish before they finish that board|pg|| nt|barnets: Monaco only 11 down |pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i call those time capsule conclaves|pg|| nt|ahollan1: open room has completed play|pg|| nt|leo lasota: perfect by zimmerman unblocking king then diamond through|pg|| nt|leo lasota: always nice on defense when you can give partner nothing to think about and get the defense right|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o31|st||md|1SAJ96HAQT65D864CK,SKT72HJ74DAK97C86,SQ853H2DJT32CAJ73,S4HK983DQ5CQT9542|sv|n|nt|barnets: North has made a forcing pass over 6@S save|pg|| nt|barnets: and south has huge with trump AKQ|pg|| nt|ady: tht Nunes would duck 1 round of spades last hand|pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|nt|Vugraphzfu: Nunes puts the Alert card on the tray and replaces it with Redouble :)|pg|| nt|ady: think can beat 3 spades if he does|pg|| mb|r|mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 1@H forcing usually 14+ could be 11+ with 4+@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: South did well to bid 7@H|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: RDBL = 6+ HCP|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|nt|kit: Nunes would have done well to double 3@C|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: RDBL weaker than you're used to but remember minimum hcp for opener is higher|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|nt|barnets: 7@S bid in open|pg|| pc|s4|nt|kit: right, so sort of balances out|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|c5|pg|| nt|barnets: you have to hand it to Monaco for creating difficuty for N/s|pg|| nt|ahollan1: don't try Meckstroth's DBL unless you're allowed to correct @C response to @D without showing extras|pg|| nt|barnets: in this room MECkwell passed throughout|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 7@SX on 28|pg|| nt|barnets: 7@S was xd and will be a swing for Monaco|pg|| nt|ahollan1: OR you're ready to PASS partner's @C bids|pg|| nt|barnets: down 8 for 2000|pg|| nt|barnets: and a 5 imp swing|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|h5|pc|c6|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|mc|7|nt|ritong: imps do not grow on trees, do they|pg|| pg|| qx|c31|st||md|1SAJ96HAQT65D864CK,SKT72HJ74DAK97C86,SQ853H2DJT32CAJ73,S4HK983DQ5CQT9542|sv|n|nt|fabsayc: well guessed|pg|| nt|fabsayc: smooth duck by val would have made hand impossible to make|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: she said "diamond" (so must be small diamond from the 2 in dummy). but then she claimed.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: when diamond to queen|pg|| nt|grebrof: if they had one board unlucky like this at two different boards, they would be down more, so lucky deal still this|pg|| nt|barnets: which is ok as they have been a bit rocky here you would agree|pg|| nt|rimbus: semi forcing neither|pg|| nt|ritong: when, in states, it is the contrary|pg|| nt|reisig: Can't we find a closer match ? :) :)|pg|| nt|leo lasota: there will certainly be alot of talk about that hand after the match if Gordon should lose|pg|| nt|leo lasota: +100 for Monaco in other room here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: though really no mental effect on d2 versus d3 undled non vul|pg|| mb|1H|nt|3for3: I am off, thx to all spex, and fellow commentators|pg|| nt|grebrof: :)|pg|| nt|fabsayc: agree about the trump echo, not sure spade jack said anything though|pg|| nt|kit: 3@S didn't make at other table, so match is tied!|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: 4@s does not look cold|pg|| nt|kit: on board 59|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: if you have a smartphone or tablet, you can get the bbo app free from the appstores|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: other room passed this one out?|pg|| nt|ritong: both work well, of course|pg|| nt|ritong: matter of philosophy|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: this being played wrong way|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Katz has fair hand with 4 card support, 14 count|pg|| nt|Walddk2: You did not claim|pg|| nt|leo lasota: undouble|pg|| mb|2S|nt|phil: Roland tells me a @h lead gave away the contract in the OR|pg|| nt|xenya: 35-17 Fleisher this segment -- the gap has narrowed down a little but is still quite big|pg|| nt|phil: Axx + Axx does not want to declarer the NT|pg|| nt|psyck: other room chose to bid 2@s instead of x as we suggested|pg|| nt|rimbus: 4@s must go down, but...|pg|| nt|kit: Light neg double -- Levin will surely bid 4@H|pg|| mb|p|nt|osvaill83: and theres more to come :)|pg|| nt|phil: but if they play 2@s promises 6 - there's little option|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Weinstein wanting to find 44 heart fit if there; plans to smolen then show 6th spade if needed; Helness/Helgemo ruin his plans somewhat but he still knows that they do not have 44 heart fit as Levin passed 2D|pg|| mb|p|nt|medwards: must not play 3rd seet forcing|pg|| nt|barnets: Lauria made perhaps a more sensible bid than Cayne bidding 2@S over 1@S on 10|pg|| nt|rimbus: let's see|pg|| mb|3C|nt|phil: 3N by North looks pretty good to me|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Something to discuss with your partner, would a bid of 3 of a major be Smolen here?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 3@s was alerted by levin|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: it was Nunes who bid 2@s|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: Versace Lauria sitting EW in open|pg|| nt|barnets: sorry I meant Nunes of course as north|pg|| nt|psyck: Nunes follows with 3@s over Fantoni's 3@c|pg|| nt|kit: I'm really surprised he took such a low road|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Levin's hand has gotten much better on the auction|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: according to 1930's authors, noone has an opening here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: laughter at the 6@D jump|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: weinstein declarer|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice 3C call here, nice pass by Katz|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: actually culbertson would open south hand|pg|| pc|sA|nt|Vugraphzfv: even after the double?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: nm|pg|| nt|ritong: ambitious pass and pull|pg|| nt|rimbus: probably a good strategy, overall, to overcall|pg|| nt|reisig: Yes - but the alert meant something else :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: levin clearly felt this was a smolen situation|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: he thought 3@s showed 5@h|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: (i think)|pg|| nt|reisig: Right!|pg|| nt|barnets: this may be stronger than 2@C-2@D 4@H|pg|| nt|leo lasota: interesting play problem here|pg|| mc|6|nt|kit: When South shows up with stiff heart, declarer won't misguess the diamonds|pg|| nt|grebrof: someone has to have a stiff|pg|| nt|grebrof: or void|pg|| nt|kit: yes, but declarer won't be playing North for AJx of diamonds|pg|| nt|phil: :)|pg|| nt|phil: so Kamil can likely count on 6-4 on left - with a 5-5, he'd Michaels (or whatever they play to show H + C)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "No double?" -Helness|pg|| nt|bigtrain: might get to game in the other room|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Perhaps it went 1D-2C-p-p-dbl-p-2h?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: nice lead by katz|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: katz can picture trump length with partner|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: so he sets out to force declarer|pg|| nt|leo lasota: declarer can only come down to Kx hearts after taking all the pitches|pg|| pg|| qx|o32|st||md|2SQJHQ96DKJ4CQ8762,ST74HT82DA7632CK3,SK9632HJ75DCAT954,SA85HAK43DQT985CJ|sv|e|nt|Vugraphzfu: the rare down 8 doubled for a good score :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: you might not think 5 is much but some matches are won by less than that|pg|| nt|ady: last hand of segment thx all|pg|| mb|1D|nt|bigtrain: neb @D|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: scheduled restart with viewer's local timezone http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php?order_by=event|pg|| mb|1S|nt|bigtrain: 2+ 11-15|pg|| nt|ahollan1: at different vul does Meck try 1N [or 1@H??]|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: restart in about 1 hour 50 minutes (4:30 local time)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|3C|nt|ritong: meckwell have set the stage for their usual final rush let s wait and see|pg|| nt|bigtrain: not by passed hand|pg|| nt|bigtrain: just @D|pg|| nt|bigtrain: but remember that 1@D is 2+|pg|| nt|kit: I'm surprised Meckstroth didn't bid immediate 3@D|pg|| nt|barnets: n/s can|pg|| nt|bigtrain: are you nuts kit?|pg|| nt|barnets: make a lot|pg|| nt|kit: am I?|pg|| nt|barnets: n/s can make a lot of spades|pg|| nt|bigtrain: yes... they only promise a doubleton|pg|| nt|bigtrain: and meck is 5332|pg|| nt|ritong: nebulous @d et(c|pg|| nt|kit: oh, sorry -- I thought he had 6 diamonds -- mis-saw the hand|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: Rodwell can be sure of a 10+ card fit now, right?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 29 nickell-katz 1N-3N where fantunes auction got to 5@D-1|pg|| nt|bigtrain: yes|pg|| mb|4D|nt|bigtrain: he hhas quite a good hand|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| nt|ady: looks -200|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 29 3N-1 for a push|pg|| nt|barnets: 3N down|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|c8|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|c4|pg|| mc|8|nt|ady: 2 down thx all|pg|| nt|ady: bye|pg|| nt|barnets: tks all|pg|| nt|ritong: merci a tous|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 32 boards after 70 minute break|pg|| nt|ritong: when do we meet again, joe?|pg|| nt|ritong: ok ty|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other table 2.5 boards remain|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry 110 minutes|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfu: start again in about one hour 40 minutes|pg|| nt|ritong: fine|pg|| nt|ahollan1: even better 100 [1 hour 40 minutes]|pg|| nt|ahollan1: voice commentary in both rooms again for final half of the championship|pg|| pg|| qx|c32|st||md|2SQJHQ96DKJ4CQ8762,ST74HT82DA7632CK3,SK9632HJ75DCAT954,SA85HAK43DQT985CJ|sv|e|nt|fabsayc: thanks rain, good job|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: thanks martin. sorry about the disruptions everyone. they limit the of internet connections and i dont have a pw |pg|| nt|phil: I'm going to give the charge to the opening lead in teh other room |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: almost played the boards in the wrong direciton|pg|| nt|fabsayc: last board of this set, thanks to our operator Kendrick, tough job if players dont cooperate|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: my pleasure, sorry about some missed action. |pg|| nt|ritong: last bullet for this stanza|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: more banter after that hand|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 3nt normal contract for N/S here|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: table has been played in extremely friendly spirit|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Multon asked the vugraoh operator to treplay 3C :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: and partially to NS's system that doesn't allow North to play 3N :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: packing things up|pg|| nt|barnets: last board you can all go to the open room after this and watch board 10|pg|| nt|barnets: stuck on 3@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: Fleisher has made some very quirky preempts immediately after bad boards this set|pg|| mb|1D|nt|fabsayc: and congratulations to westheimer for a well deserved win, they played very solidly in every match|pg|| nt|psyck: specs of Cayne BBO matches will be falimial with the acronym SDAM|pg|| nt|leo lasota: but there is alot of work to the play|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: 2c is something that i couldnt hear|pg|| nt|ritong: that one is quirky²|pg|| nt|xenya: and this one might make things tough for EW?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: packing their things during zimmermann's tank|pg|| nt|phil: is quirky squared "quarky"? |pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: that introduces too much physics into bridge|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: :)|pg|| nt|phil: heh|pg|| nt|ritong: well we didn t mention black holes yet|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: zimmermann floats the pass card|pg|| nt|fabsayc: and to my cocommentator Henri, and everybody else that makes this all possible and enjoyable|pg|| nt|ritong: pleased to be your coco|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the alert means not bid on total junk|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: next set should starts 10-15 after both vugraphs go down|pg|| nt|ritong: 4@s bid with extras...hmm|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: sorry about that|pg|| nt|leo lasota: +200 another fine result for Monaco in other room|pg|| nt|Walddk2: np|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: forgot to enter the claim|pg|| mb|3D|nt|vugraphzfv: these women must play each other a lot. they talk in nods and meaningful glances. |pg|| nt|grebrof: http://bridgewinners.com/|pg|| nt|phil: I have one between my ears|pg|| nt|ritong: extras, yes 4@s bid, debatable|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: a very old american treatment|pg|| nt|psyck: routine 4M here probably|pg|| nt|leo lasota: redouble shows 9+ HCP with 2 spades I believe|pg|| nt|leo lasota: yes|pg|| nt|leo lasota: E/W to play a level lower in here...|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Not sure|pg|| nt|leo lasota: we shall see'|pg|| mb|3H|nt|phil: Zimmerman conducting a pass and pull sequence? I play 3@d as GF - wonder if they do too?|pg|| nt|agumperz: i have often felt like i fell into one at the slower vugraph tables...|pg|| nt|ritong: he will bid 4@s imo|pg|| nt|ritong: my point is 5332 is not superincentive|pg|| nt|ritong: i would quietly single raise and await|pg|| nt|psyck: thanks everyone|pg|| nt|barnets: 5! D a good save|pg|| nt|reisig: 3@c P 3nT?|pg|| nt|leo lasota: seems reasonable rich|pg|| mb|p|nt|grebrof: this is last of 4 sessions, so I dont think Fleisher has given up yet|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: *first|pg|| nt|grebrof: first, sorry :D|pg|| nt|ritong: pass and cue|pg|| nt|phil: surprised he didn't bd 4@s initially|pg|| nt|ritong: even stronger than pass and pull:)|pg|| nt|Walddk4: Or pass the double|pg|| nt|phil: that shows a moose |pg|| nt|grebrof: hehe|pg|| nt|phil: I count 5 for NS|pg|| nt|fabsayc: results at http://www.acbl.org/nabc/brackets/2012/02/spingold/|pg|| nt|ahollan1: fantunes had nice auction to 6@D|pg|| mb|4C|nt|phil: Oo|pg|| nt|ritong: oole|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: now that's a cue|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 4@S would be without the club king|pg|| nt|psyck: (Six Diamonds Always Makes)|pg|| nt|barnets: yes tx for your many humorous and sometimes helpful comments|pg|| nt|rimbus: A great segment for Hel2|pg|| nt|leo lasota: very friendly spade position will result in 3nt making for Weinstein with some ease|pg|| nt|leo lasota: question is what are the agreements for the passed hand 3D call?|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: pass and jump cue|pg|| nt|phil: whatever 5@s shows - he doesn't have it|pg|| mb|5D|nt|phil: with Multon's I would want to bid 8|pg|| nt|fabsayc: thanks again Kendrick and Henri|pg|| nt|psyck: after their attempts at 6@c failed, they found the correct stratefy...|pg|| nt|barnets: well done by north|pg|| nt|leo lasota: pretty much an open book for the declarer play|pg|| mb|p|nt|grebrof: I need a coffee - my screen is not often this blue :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: spec tx to our opereator u hacve done a superb job - spec with all the informations from the table TX!|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: jill meyers finally got to declare! molson says "i cant let you go a whole sgment without declaring"|pg|| nt|barnets: 6@C in open worth watching|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thru 45 Monaco leads Cayne by 76|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzfv: ty ty see all later|pg|| nt|grebrof: its just as good as 4@s - choice of slam with a void - I have everything|pg|| nt|psyck: is that the strongest bid ever made?|pg|| nt|ritong: might be|pg|| nt|fabsayc: maybe this will scare off a double|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: thanks for watching this segment and bearing with me. |pg|| nt|rimbus: and zimmul were close to put a last nail in the coffin|pg|| nt|leo lasota: with spade queen being discovered to be onside, west is marked with ace heart and king club |pg|| pc|sQ|nt|vugraphzfv: doesnt look like this has a chance :(|pg|| nt|fabsayc: bye for now|pg|| nt|ritong: no swing anyway|pg|| nt|Walddk4: He has not made it yet|pg|| nt|Walddk4: No-one told him that spades are 8-1|pg|| nt|ritong: my guess is he will duplicate rosenberg's line|pg|| nt|phil: some perceptive commentators tell me 7N makes |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: multon asks if double is 100% penalty, fleisher, does an air "knock-on-wood"|pg|| nt|fabsayc: play continues with semi-finals tomorrow at 7am PST, 10am east coast|pg|| nt|barnets: another miserable slam here not worth watching I am afraid|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: 5@C didn't deter them from slam, unfortunately|pg|| nt|barnets: unless of course|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry that was Sementa-Duboin bidding to 6@D|pg|| nt|Walddk2: At least one overbid here|pg|| nt|leo lasota: see if Katz/Nickell can accurately defend for a good finish|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Westis excused cos he has the money|pg|| pc|s4|nt|barnets: south bids|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: and a phantom sacrifice...|pg|| nt|barnets: oh my G|pg|| pc|s6|nt|medwards: Hopr I was useful|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: of cos mikes. you stepped up to comment. its always nice to have commentators add flavor to the match. if only we can also have cameras :)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 7:15 eastern|pg|| nt|barnets: of course 2@HX by west would have been no fun at all for e/w|pg|| nt|barnets: played by east of course|pg|| nt|barnets: vul v not|pg|| nt|barnets: had south found some kind of X and north passed|pg|| nt|barnets: not entirely unreasonable I think|pg|| nt|reisig: For me - X = I have a real hand - and not one of my usual overcalls at fav Vul :)|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| nt|Walddk2: He can do what he likes|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|psyck: yes play in 6@c deal 10 would be interesting|pg|| nt|psyck: but we have a 7@c to watch here instead|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: "I know you wont double this one" (Lays down 7@D) -Cayne|pg|| nt|ahollan1: we pity the people who don't listen to voice commentary -- you missed some great stories from John Swanson|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|nt|medwards: probaby will happen in the future|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: next segment will start in a bit....dont go too far :)|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|psyck: so open two windows kibs :)|pg|| nt|barnets: Helgemo must know his customers , I say|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: voice commentary again next set for this match|pg|| nt|vugraphzfv: :(|pg|| pc|s5|nt|fabsayc: 4 teams with duplicated boards|pg|| nt|ahollan1: access by login via browser or without login using http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|psyck: http://www.bridgebase.com/client/client.php you can open any number of anonymous windows by selecting "look around our site"|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| nt|ritong: seven trumps, @h AK @c AK @s A = 12|pg|| nt|phil: I think a club wrecks it|pg|| nt|ritong: as the @h Q falls during the process, 13|pg|| nt|reisig: round suit squ|pg|| pc|s2|nt|phil: kills the split menace|pg|| nt|barnets: well its 800|pg|| nt|ritong: so, can cayne save a downtrick?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other room bidding final board|pg|| nt|bigtrain: bidding slam it looks like|pg|| nt|ahollan1: schedule says restart in 7 minutes but don't expect it to begin that soon|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Levin-Weinstein might be playing 6@C|pg|| nt|bigtrain: looks like 6@C at the other table|pg|| pc|s8|nt|fabsayc: at least some tables will have voice commentary|pg|| pc|d4|nt|leo lasota: spade exit best for the defense at this point|pg|| nt|barnets: will be short break after this hand tx all specs Michael , our operator,Rich, Leo and Joe|pg|| pc|sT|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|barnets: instead of 200 other way|pg|| nt|reisig: Thx all|pg|| nt|leo lasota: Weinstein getting ready to claim|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c4|nt|ritong: merci a tous|pg|| nt|grebrof: little bit weired 1nt there maybe, but it didnt matter this time - see you soon|pg|| nt|grebrof: restart is how long time from now?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: may take 10-15 mins |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: other table hasn't finishe dyet|pg|| nt|grebrof: they on the last board now|pg|| nt|grebrof: bbo is also available as an app now|pg|| nt|grebrof: btw|pg|| nt|grebrof: an app is an application for a telephone - its at least available for andriod - maybe also for iPhone|pg|| nt|ritong: i think yes|pg|| pc|d5|pg|| nt|psyck: DD 6@c would make on any lead on deal 10...lets see what happens in practice|pg|| nt|barnets: South playing 6@C on spade lead |pg|| nt|leo lasota: Helgemo can pretty much see all 4 hands, and regrets that there is no way to set the hand|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dA|nt|barnets: open room playing 2@DX here so worth watching|pg|| nt|leo lasota: dist is marked|pg|| nt|leo lasota: heart to king, club to 10, cash q, cash heart heart spade to bd|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 430|pg|| nt|barnets: so n/s found a way to get the penalty in open after same start|pg|| nt|santyclz2: At the other table Nickell (w) opened 1@d rather than 1@c and ended in 2@dx'd.|pg|| nt|leo lasota: down 3 it is|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 68-45 Monaco at the half|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 44|pg|| mc|8|nt|ritong: guess we wxill have the hel's angels for the last stanza|pg|| nt|ritong: merci a tous|pg|| nt|rimbus: Bye all and see you soon|pg|| nt|leo lasota: 68-44|pg|| nt|reisig: Take a break!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: we'll be back at 4.30pm east coast time|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfv: bye for now|pg|| pg||