vg|2012 Grand National Teams Final,Segment 2 of 4,I,17,32,Lilienstein (D24),33,Spector (D9),10| rs|2SS=,2CW-2,4HN-1,3HN+1,2NN-2,1SS+2,3DN-1,3DN-1,5CW-1,4NE+1,3NS=,3NS=,3NE+1,4NE=,4HE=,4HE=,2SN+1,1NW=,6NE=,6NE=,3HE-1,4HE-2,4HS+1,4HN+1,3HS=,4HSx-1,4SEx-3,4HN=,5DEx-2,2HN+1,3NS-2,2NS=| pn|Wooldridge,Rodwell,Hurd,Meckstroth,Spector,Lilienstei,Becker,Polowan |pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3SK632HAT542D9CQ74,SAQH73DT843CAKT62,ST875HKQDAKJ75C98,SJ94HJ986DQ62CJ53|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|d|an|clubs|nt|bigtrain: hi roland|pg|| mb|p!|an|no stopper|nt|santyclz2: Hi folks, Walter, Roland.|pg|| nt|szalay: hi all|pg|| nt|bigtrain: north's pass denies a @C stopper|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Both N & S alerted the pass of the DBL, but I can't read the note|pg|| mb|p|nt|szalay: probably denies stopper|pg|| nt|bigtrain: if S wants to continue stayman he'll usually XX|pg|| mb|r|mb|p|nt|Walddk4: http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2011worldteams-netherlands/bermudabowl/usa%202/hurd-wooldridge.pdf|pg|| mb|2H!|an|4 !ss|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: back to the normal stayman stuff now|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: looks like they play cross majors here|pg|| nt|szalay: except likely tsansfer way|pg|| nt|bigtrain: making the Xer on lead|pg|| nt|szalay: does North see any positive in his cards?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 4@S, not 4@H|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i hear you both fine|pg|| nt|ahollan1: they have other bids when holding both|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rodwell & Wooldridge writing notes about the auction - but I can't quite read them - we'll have to rely on Walter, usually a good source :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: 2@D would have been 4@H not 4@S|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| nt|bigtrain: @C3 is standard here|pg|| nt|bigtrain: even though in lmost every other situation they plau upside down|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pg|| nt|bigtrain: this will be u/d suit preference by meck|pg|| nt|bigtrain: asking for the lower|pg|| pc|d3|nt|bigtrain: i can|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 25 throughtout north america|pg|| nt|bigtrain: no|pg|| nt|bigtrain: canada included|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meckstroth has asked for a time monitor|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dK|nt|bigtrain: there are districts tat include canada that i've played againdst|pg|| pc|d2|pc|cQ|pc|d4|pg|| nt|bigtrain: west coast includes washington BC and alaska for instance|pg|| nt|ahollan1: rosters for all flights http://www.acbl.org/nabc/rosters/2012/02/EGNTS/|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s9|nt|bigtrain: district 19 includes canadians for instance|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cT|mc|8|pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3SK632HAT542D9CQ74,SAQH73DT843CAKT62,ST875HKQDAKJ75C98,SJ94HJ986DQ62CJ53|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfc: Good morning everyone :)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: morning eric|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|bigtrain: 1@C = 16+ any|pg|| mb|2C|nt|ahollan1: i'm told Spector advances after Bramley WD down 69|pg|| nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: pass = 0-5 or so|pg|| nt|bigtrain: or @C penalty|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: official Q3 results not yet posted at http://www.acbl.org/nabc/brackets/2012/02/gnt/|pg|| pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: other table visible without login via http://bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php that also gives access to voice commentary|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i'll guess 4S|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|nt|kit: sort of optimistic, since even opposite a 5-count might not have much play|pg|| nt|bigtrain: doesn't need much|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Smith in 4@H East|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ahollan1: Wooldridge responded 1N with south hand|pg|| pc|d6|pc|h5|nt|mdgraham: this will probably depend on the heart suit|pg|| nt|kit: this will depend upon which heart finesse he takes with his one dummy entry -- I imagine he will get it right due to the overcall|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Meck: carding? Lilienstein: standard|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|c4|pc|d8|pg|| nt|mdgraham: maybe the 2@C overcall will influence that|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h2|nt|bigtrain: certanly east's initial pass will come into play|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| nt|kit: Also East is passed hand, and has shown both black kings, so add in king of hearts and a diamond honor and he would be close to an opening bid|pg|| pc|d7|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hT|pc|cT|pc|dJ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|mc|6|nt|psyck: Hello everyone|pg|| pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SAQ2H8543DA6CJ853,SKT76HQJ9DK94CQ76,S93HAKT7DT852CAT2,SJ854H62DQJ73CK94|sv|n|nt|bigtrain: 2@S e/w?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: The director returned and explained that there are no provisions for time monitors, but "you're on the internet so we will know who's taking longer"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: that statement seems to give a lot of power to ... vugraph operator|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: That's all the vg operators need, more pressure.|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://www.acbl.org/units/districtUnitWebsites.html|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I think we all recognize that the operators won't be perfect, but when someone takes a very long time we'll provide a pretty accurate picture of what's happening|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| nt|szalay: its not a boring game, anyway|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i meant using bbo time stamps depends upon immediate vs delayed entry from operator :)|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and ..... correcting input errors, etc|pg|| pc|hK|pc|c4|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|h7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SAQ2H8543DA6CJ853,SKT76HQJ9DK94CQ76,S93HAKT7DT852CAT2,SJ854H62DQJ73CK94|sv|n|nt|mdgraham: for specs, the D in the team names indicate the USA zone|pg|| nt|mdgraham: D=District|pg|| nt|bigtrain: looks like a 1-4 auction coming up|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|nt|bigtrain: 1@S = 5+S limited to 15 |pg|| mb|1H|mb|d|an|4-5 !S|mb|2N|an|!H limit raise|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: 4@S = anything that wants to play game since the initial 1@S is limited|pg|| nt|kit: likely trump lead, with all else dangerous|pg|| nt|bigtrain: feels like the @HK is enticing him|pg|| mb|3H|nt|kit: this I don't like -- and it will cost him big time|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: 3@d presumably a help suit kind of bid & with a doubleton & 4th trump, W accepts|pg|| nt|mdgraham: free Q finesse and two diamonds away|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: NS upside-down count & attitude|pg|| nt|kit: yes -- a second trump trick plus the timing for more ruffs, gets declarer up to 10 tricks I believe|pg|| pc|d2|nt|bigtrain: doesn't look like 10 to me|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| nt|bigtrain: seems like only 9|pg|| nt|kit: did I miscount? maybe I did|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d5|nt|kit: you are right -- he is still a trick short. Too early in the morning|pg|| nt|mdgraham: defence will now play ace and a trump|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|kit: West should have count on the hand now|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: is @D shift really best now?|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| nt|mdgraham: can S set up a long heart? East has discarded one - not sure if there are enough entries|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: i know @D2 was just a suggestion|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg|| nt|bigtrain: not enough schlitz here|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: maybe @D shift was best i didn't pay attention to @C spots|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|kit: shouldn't help -- runs short on trumps|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: but will Lev read @Cdoubleton? |pg|| pc|c6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oh i also missed @C discard|pg|| pc|c8|mc|10|pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SAT832HJT63D7CQ92,S76H54DKT92CK8764,SJ5HK7DA543CAJT53,SKQ94HAQ982DQJ86C|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2C!|an|!ss + !hs or !cs|nt|bigtrain: 2@C shows @S and a round suit|pg|| nt|bigtrain: no|pg|| nt|bigtrain: @S and @H or @C|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|an|asks|mb|p|mb|2H|an|Majors|nt|szalay: will they play in 4-2 fit?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@H = maajors|pg|| nt|szalay: West's @Ss are stronger than @hs|pg|| mb|d|mb|2S|nt|bigtrain: 3@D looms|pg|| nt|bigtrain: the slow X is played by many as takeout|pg|| nt|bigtrain: to penalize usually he would have had to X 2@C to show cards|pg|| mb|2N|nt|bigtrain: i think thats what N is thinking about|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck asks about 2NT but I can't see answer |pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: they play that defense over strong NT openers|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I think it was minors|pg|| nt|bigtrain: this is the weak NT defense|pg|| nt|bigtrain: tey trat ALL 3rd seat NT openers as weak|pg|| nt|bigtrain: treat|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck asks Wooldridge about the DBL of 2@h - says "he's not sure" Wooldridge: "penalty"|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|Vugraphzfb: That's because Meck & Hurd are on the same side of the screen, so normally he'd ask Hurd but at this point, he can ask dummy instead|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 14 is the new 13|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|nt|Walddk4: http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2011worldteams-netherlands/bermudabowl/usa%202/hurd-wooldridge.pdf|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d6|nt|bigtrain: but regardless of how they treat 14-16... a 3rd seat favorable 1NT bid even if 15-17 in theory they treat it as weak|pg|| pc|h3|pc|d9|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|s3|pg|| nt|szalay: very likely he will play for 5 running @Cs, 2@Ss and a @D|pg|| nt|szalay: @C hook is working just 5-0 break is the problem|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h5|pc|d5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|h8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h9|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|mc|6|pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SAT832HJT63D7CQ92,S76H54DKT92CK8764,SJ5HK7DA543CAJT53,SKQ94HAQ982DQJ86C|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: that's why i usually stick to the auctions|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i think that is the winning line mike|pg|| mb|p|nt|mdgraham: but discarding the diamonds looked a normal enough thing to do|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: In the other room, Martel bid 3@h instead of 3@d, & playing there|pg|| mb|1C|nt|kit: it would be pretty double-dummy, as crossruff line works when trumps split|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+|pg|| nt|mdgraham: indeed - so easy when you can see all the cards|pg|| nt|bigtrain: didn't say it was right... just winning :)|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: what does Glubok bid now?|pg|| nt|kit: even then not so easy|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: Their 1@h must be pretty sound if this is a fav vul 2@h for them|pg|| nt|ahollan1: well --- i didn't expect 2@C from Woolsey|pg|| nt|kit: possible 6@C here|pg|| nt|mdgraham: possible 6@c here EW|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: I prefer a splinter 3@H with West hand -- as long as you are raising, why not describe?|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Hi folks.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: good morning|pg|| pc|h5|nt|hedyg: welcome Martin and Joe :) i'll be watching you from voice|pg|| pc|h7|nt|clinch: Well now NS are California, EW NY - ahe bidding looks a bit better :)|pg|| nt|psyck: Hedy suggests their 2@h may be an intermediate hand|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 50 2@S made in other room|pg|| nt|kit: Now he splinters -- seems like a strange order to do things|pg|| nt|kit: lucky to get the chance when East happened to bid 3@D|pg|| nt|kit: But now have to start the slam exploration a level higher|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|ahollan1: sorry down in other room|pg|| nt|mdgraham: this side of the pond 2@c doesn't promise the earth, so 3@h would be aggressive with poorish spades |pg|| nt|kit: some say that maybe 3@H wouldn't have been a splinter in their methods -- certainly possible|pg|| nt|bigtrain: the problem is that RKC is too high now |pg|| nt|bigtrain: or at least it may be|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|kit: I don't understand the logic of the double of 4@H|pg|| nt|mdgraham: hello again |pg|| pc|sK|nt|Vugraphzfc: Hi Jow, Martin and Mike|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Joe :)|pg|| pc|sA|nt|psyck: hello everyone|pg|| nt|mdgraham: West can redouble |pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2 w/othe queen forces a poor slam then|pg|| nt|kit: Seems like it just gives the opponents more room|pg|| pc|s6|nt|clinch: hi Krishna|pg|| nt|kit: Of course, that's assuming 4@H is a splinter -- it might have been RKC|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: well they found 4@S please don't ask me how|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|kit: Whatever it all meant, East did drive to slam|pg|| pc|s2|nt|kit: Slam far from cold, but cards lie favorable and I think any reasonable line of play will make|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h9|nt|clinch: Innocuos board to start - three obvious losers|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|clinch: innocuous even|pg|| pc|c4|pc|d4|pg|| nt|kit: One possible danger is if declarer takes a crossruff approach, he may at the end try to get back to his hand with diamond ruff instead of spade ruff.|pg|| pc|sT|nt|ahollan1: Smith in 4@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Brad Moss raised to 2@H rather than Lev's 1N|pg|| nt|kit: But declarer will probably be trying to set up spades first, and will get the news there|pg|| pc|d2|nt|mdgraham: wonder if S will withhold the J|pg|| pc|d3|nt|fabsayc: yes ralf|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SKJ832HK54D952CJ4,SQ964HAQJ96D43CQ6,S5HT83DKQJT7CAKT8,SAT7H72DA86C97532|sv|b|mb|1H|mb|2D|mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: tactical|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Rodwell asks if 2@s was forcing. Wooldridge says yes|pg|| nt|bigtrain: its his only option|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d3|nt|bigtrain: so he looks at 2@H vs pass and chooses the best represention of the hand|pg|| nt|szalay: lets hope this board will take long: 5 easy tricks for defence|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|h6|pc|d7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|hT|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SKJ832HK54D952CJ4,SQ964HAQJ96D43CQ6,S5HT83DKQJT7CAKT8,SAT7H72DA86C97532|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: p-1@C-1@H-P-??|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if Lev consistent -- 1N then what does Woolsey do?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: The bidding box on the table shows N is the dealer|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in other room 1N ended the auction|pg|| nt|ahollan1: well that's not good|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: so the bidding starts with N opens 1@C|pg|| nt|nelson_dev: that was very nicely played|pg|| nt|santyclz2: It would not be a good idea, in general, to have audible commentary in the room where the hands are being played.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: bathroom break|pg|| nt|mdgraham: already?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: play resume|pg|| mb|1H|nt|mdgraham: no splinter (if that is what it was) in the other room|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|clinch: Looks as though 4@s, if reached, will fail here, certainly if played by W|pg|| mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 2@C consistent with last board too|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: please ignore the first pass by W|pg|| nt|odysseus70: alam|pg|| mb|p|nt|odysseus70: makeable exremely dubious slam|pg|| nt|kit: East will be doubling 2@D -- question is will West sit it|pg|| nt|kit: sorry, meant 2@C|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|psyck: other table reached it|pg|| nt|ahollan1: maybe pass implies Strong NT|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: & they should here too|pg|| nt|psyck: the strongest hand is probably the last one to get into the action here|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: South will likely rebid @d|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h4|nt|xenya: 2N looks like strongly invitational|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|psyck: @d would have been a normal lead except for the 1@d bid|pg|| nt|clinch: Yes, so let's see - will take a bit of making|pg|| nt|psyck: @d lead should get defense 2@s, 1@h , 1@c tricks|pg|| nt|kit: East has the right type of strength for double I think -- not enough for slam, but enough to expect to get more than value of game|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|psyck: other room south lead a @c after a similar auction|pg|| nt|clinch: Yes, likely to play a @s to K or Q|pg|| nt|psyck: yes it should be in this seq after xx 1st|pg|| nt|kit: I like this opening lead -- who needs to lead sequences?|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|nt|bigtrain: looks like 4 digits|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|nt|clinch: Club followed by a @d may still beat it|pg|| nt|psyck: looked like max passed hand with no fit kind of bid|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 11 or 1400|pg|| nt|mdgraham: East's bidding normally indicates a pretty strong desire to defend|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| nt|psyck: prblem with @c is that declarer may be able to set up a @c trick for @h pitch|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|nt|xenya: so it's either 3@D or 3N -- i'm surprised at S's pass |pg|| nt|psyck: yes, we were all expecting 3@d with South's hand|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| nt|psyck: Those using the Browser version of BBO have the option of listening to Hedy & Andrew on voice commentary.|pg|| pc|c8|nt|psyck: hmmm|pg|| pc|c9|pc|d5|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d2|nt|kit: no need to play trumps, as no ruffing threat|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: adamantly believes in bidding with shape|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h2|nt|clinch: Now just down in top tricks|pg|| pc|h5|nt|ahollan1: 1N should make so down 1 is a push|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|s7|nt|mdgraham: the initial double was thin but normal - pretty severe outcome though|pg|| nt|kit: Jack of hearts is onside, but declarer can never take advantage of it -- so will get only 2 more tricks|pg|| nt|kit: so will be 9 more IMPs to D24|pg|| nt|mdgraham: S desperately wants to get out for only 800, but it doesn't seem like he can|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| pc|h6|pc|dT|pc|sT|mc|8|pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SAQJ83H4DT843CT54,S42H8DA92CKQJ9632,S97HQJT9653DKQJC8,SKT65HAK72D765CA7|sv|n|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|ritong: hello everybody|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: confirm wht?|pg|| pc|dK|nt|bigtrain: never|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Sorry - the hotel decided I'd been on the internet long enough :)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: ever|pg|| nt|szalay: now a chance for D24|pg|| nt|ahollan1: my fault -- i was just thinking how stable rooms have been|pg|| nt|bigtrain: if there was a number less than 0%|pg|| nt|ahollan1: shape rules|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i think the bandwidth is overly full|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h5|pc|d6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|h9|pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: was 4@H vs 4N unlucky guess?|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|c3|pc|s7|nt|ahollan1: or Polowan's 4N vs 4@H a lucky guess|pg|| nt|bigtrain: got nothing to say|pg|| pc|s6|nt|bigtrain: besides i'm eating lunch|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|nt|ritong: 4NT has the clear merit to keep NTs into the picture when 4@h does not|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|d2|nt|ritong: i do not think " lucky" or even "guess" are fair to this good bid|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|s9|pg|| mc|10|nt|ahollan1: assumption being that 4N is natural probably clear after minor suit overcall -- less so if partner had bid major|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck had gone to the bathroom and came back to ask "what was the result?" Rodwell: "-1; needed to be in Blackwood"|pg|| pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SAQJ83H4DT843CT54,S42H8DA92CKQJ9632,S97HQJT9653DKQJC8,SKT65HAK72D765CA7|sv|n|nt|psyck: was probably down after @d lead even if declarer got @s right|pg|| nt|clinch: Double dummy may have had a chance, but highly unlikely|pg|| nt|mdgraham: what do you open with the North hand?|pg|| mb|3H|nt|bigtrain: 1@C = 16+ any|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: East can make life very difficult with high preempt|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@D = natural GF|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: which he might have done at favorable vs. strong club|pg|| nt|mdgraham: OR auction direct and to the point|pg|| nt|kit: Rodwell will get to 6@H or 6NT -- doesn't want to play 6@D since king of spades would be led through|pg|| nt|mdgraham: at green, 4@h possible - at red, caution advised |pg|| mb|4C|nt|ahollan1: MUCH better Andrew|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@C=a) FG b) 22-24 BAL|pg|| nt|kit: aha -- so how much does 6@S go for?|pg|| nt|mdgraham: just what you expect when you open the North hand 1@C - at your next turn, it's up to 5@s |pg|| nt|bigtrain: i think 1700 with prefect defense|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Red vs white it seems 3 would be enough.|pg|| mb|p|nt|xenya: i always admire players who stop in 2N, just making :)|pg|| nt|mdgraham: hard to get to 3NT now|pg|| mb|4N|nt|psyck: :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: anyway, E-W will have bid as high as theya re going to|pg|| nt|mdgraham: I believe pass requests double |pg|| nt|kit: The pass requests double|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: 2@s looks makeable here|pg|| nt|bigtrain: pass = forcing (usually to X)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: this is slightly invitational|pg|| nt|bigtrain: to 7@D|pg|| nt|bigtrain: doesn't request X|pg|| nt|kit: I guess Rodwell figures that Meck won't bid more without ace of spades and good diamonds|pg|| nt|bigtrain: although the oother hand usually does|pg|| nt|santyclz2: 10 top tricks.|pg|| nt|mdgraham: that 4NT is worth discussing - natural or asking? West takes it as natural - well done |pg|| nt|fabsayc: is this a side effect of kickback|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|clinch: Just 5 black suit losers|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Wooldridge also opened 2@C but i think his 2N rebid will be 20-21(22)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: its allowed to make a descriptive bid with extra shape or values|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Rodwell writes a whole paragraph on 6@H which I cannot read clearly|pg|| nt|mdgraham: if S does bid 7@d (probably won't) West had better lead a spade|pg|| nt|bigtrain: at lower levels this auction would show flexible hand type|pg|| nt|kit: Clearly Meckstroth thinks Rodwell's sequence is inviting a grand|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Meck's explaination is easier: pass requested dbl, now it's try for 7|pg|| nt|kit: thanks -- that's what I thought|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|nt|kit: he got it right -- but was scary|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c2|nt|kit: play will be faster than the bidding|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|hQ|pc|d5|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h6|pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: correction Wooldridge 2N rebid was 21-22(23)|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|c6|nt|fabsayc: hedy, random order in discards|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c3|nt|fabsayc: he will come to the same thing hedy|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|sT|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h8|nt|Vugraphzfc: short break|pg|| nt|clinch: Martel also went down on 20 after club-club, heart finesse, diamond|pg|| nt|psyck: yeah it would have been too duble dummy to make even after @c lead|pg|| nt|psyck: Those using the Browser version of BBO have the option of listening to Andrew & Cornelia on voice commentary.|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|hT|pg|| pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: District 21 [Larsen team] has one of the best records in this event since its inception in early 1970s|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4SKJHAT94DAQJTCKT4,SAT732H653D72CAQ7,SQ985HK2DK863C965,S64HQJ87D954CJ832|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|szalay: is anybody here who wd pass instead of 1@S?|pg|| nt|ritong: not me|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i'm reay to comment about the board now... or have we moved on?|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|nt|bigtrain: 4NT is overly pessimtic in my opinion... i prefer the Q-bid but then i'm a very optimistic guy :)|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|d5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: was @D7 @D2 std count or Reverse Smith?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4NT removes any chance of slam while the Qbid leaves game vs slam still a possibility|pg|| nt|bigtrain: wasn't watching if it was the first play it was reverse smith|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ritong: wooldridge certainly feels there is a 100 solution|pg|| pc|sA|nt|ritong: 100%|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| nt|bigtrain: thus he would prefer the obvious shift vs continuation|pg|| nt|ritong: 8 tricks on top and a possibility of throw in via @hs|pg|| pc|h6|nt|ritong: but as it is, rodwell is done already|pg|| nt|ritong: he might have had the last @d, though|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|nt|ritong: now, the fact that south has two @d entries is good for him|pg|| pc|c5|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| nt|ritong: i guess he still has @d A|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4SKJHAT94DAQJTCKT4,SAT732H653D72CAQ7,SQ985HK2DK863C965,S64HQJ87D954CJ832|sv|e|nt|clinch: In the GNT often the faces are familiar, but the partnerships slightly different from the later events|pg|| nt|xenya: declarer could afford 2nd round of trumps since even if they were 4-1, 2 rounds of diamonds would assure 10 tricks on most layouts |pg|| nt|ahollan1: in last 10-15 years District 9 [Spector] has been clear leader|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: bathroom break|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 1@C = 16+ any|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@C = 5+@D GF|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@H = 5+@S asking|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@S = 0-2 any strength|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2NT = naturalish|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@C = 4+@C|pg|| nt|odysseus70: every hand a near slam -but not likely to consider here|pg|| nt|kit: and then on to the "cold" 6@S, right?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: roddy has 2 options here... 3@S or 3NT|pg|| nt|bigtrain: meck i mean|pg|| nt|bigtrain: easy to forget where i am in the bidding :)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i'm leaning towards 3@S|pg|| nt|bigtrain: my guess is we're taking a short break|pg|| nt|bigtrain: too busy typing... and believe me its quite a process for me... got to keep an eye on the keys in case they move|pg|| nt|mdgraham: you're doing fine, Walter :)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: for those that just came in... the projected auction is shown on the previous screen :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: players are back|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Since the count wasn't rectified, no simple squeezes would work.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i agree but when running a squeeze i mix up the order of discards|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: Because of the constraints of state membership|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Larsen = Kyle Larsen who will be inducted into ACBL Hall of Fame next week|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|clinch: We'll see the Italians later in the week :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N = 12-14|pg|| mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: when Woolsey was in D.C. area -- that team was killer [3 years running they knocked my 16 seeded team out of district finals]|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: :)|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: is not inverted raise,|pg|| pc|s3|nt|mdgraham: expected 2NT rather than 3NT - but North would raise anyway|pg|| nt|fabsayc: if partner has a 12-14 hand he judged 2@D safer|pg|| nt|santyclz2: I could see the 2@d bid if 1@d showed an unbalanced hand, but that certainly doesn't seem to be the case here.|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s4|nt|bigtrain: i picked 3@S here|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| nt|clinch: Quite close to slam here, but not quite enough maybe?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i suspect that 1@D does however promise 4 cards|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Avoiding the 1nt response by north had the effect of right-siding the eventual nt contract (although it wouldn't seem to matter here.)|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| nt|psyck: 6@c has a chance|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|Vugraphzfc: Meltzer: carding? Polowan: standard, Smith, o/e discards|pg|| nt|clinch: I think 6@c thwarted as need to ruff a spade and that sets up a second trump loser|pg|| nt|psyck: no, can't ruff as u say, on red suit sqz on W|pg|| nt|clinch: Yes that may work|pg|| nt|psyck: so 6NT would make too similarly|pg|| nt|psyck: @c lead would have taked 5@s -3, else -2, so it could have been an ok sac at this vul|pg|| pc|d7|nt|bigtrain: 3@D keeps 6@D alive|pg|| pc|d6|nt|psyck: 6@d obviously would not|pg|| nt|clinch: Well, we'll see!|pg|| nt|bigtrain: while keeping 4@S in focus (partner can bid 3@S/3@D|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nice valuation for Woolsey to self-splinter|pg|| nt|santyclz2: S starts out with 7 tricks and an 8th readily available in @ss, but where is the 9th coming from?|pg|| pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: after bidding ONLY 2@S Martel had easy cue|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: good auction|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i think meck made the right choice|pg|| nt|kit: Will probably just blast away with spades, making 11 tricks|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d5|pg|| nt|xenya: interesting hand -- 4@S NS almost a make on a @H lead|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|clinch: Likely to play for squeeze in 6NT, as obvioosly nothing to ruff|pg|| pc|sA|nt|psyck: yes, no reason not to |pg|| nt|clinch: Some entry issues|pg|| nt|clinch: Actually, not sure squeeze works now, but could set up diamonds|pg|| nt|mdgraham: endplay on West, perhaps|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| nt|clinch: Since W now out of clubs|pg|| nt|psyck: yes , that works|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| pc|dA|nt|clinch: If E had taked K@c, then squeeze on|pg|| pc|h3|nt|psyck: he has his 9 tricks & can do whatever he wants|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h7|pg|| nt|psyck: other room also settle in 3N|pg|| nt|clinch: Still, all double dummy - will settle for safe 11|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|c2|pc|c4|nt|psyck: now the sqz :)|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1SAT9732H95D86CK42,SK6HQJ4DQ74CA9763,S4HT87632DJ953CQT,SQJ85HAKDAKT2CJ85|sv|b|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: yu can make 11 tricks here|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 14 to 18-|pg|| nt|ritong: let s see if meck goes for the @c intrafinesse|pg|| pc|h9|nt|bigtrain: as i'm fond of saying... even meckstroth has an occasional maximum|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| nt|bigtrain: fantoni is there somewhere|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c4|pc|c3|nt|ritong: intrafinesse is low towards J8x, hoping to catch 0x or H10 stiff with north|pg|| pc|cT|pg|| nt|ritong: 10x|pg|| pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: intra-finesse http://www.bridgeace.com/lessons/BOLS/1974_Chagas_I_Love_Finesses.pdf|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|mc|10|pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1SAT9732H95D86CK42,SK6HQJ4DQ74CA9763,S4HT87632DJ953CQT,SQJ85HAKDAKT2CJ85|sv|b|nt|clinch: Well, just 10 - all speculation fruitless|pg|| nt|psyck: yes, a hand for the good ol rule of always leading a singleton if you have one|pg|| nt|mdgraham: Meckstroth-Rodwell got to 5@C on the previous board - 11 imp swing|pg|| mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: 1@H tends to deny 4@S [2@D opener = 4@S 5/6@H]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Will probably bid Stayman, planning on raising 2@S to 3@S, but passing 2@H or 2@D|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i think on last hand we saw the advantage of concealing the big hand as declarer|pg|| mb|3N|nt|clinch: This looks like everybody's 4@h|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: so perfect hedy|pg|| nt|fabsayc: for 2012 bidding|pg|| nt|santyclz2: 1.5 quick tricks, 6-11 hcp 6 card suit, that's even an old-fashioned weak 2 bid.|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: 2@c Drury|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Q3 results available at http://www.acbl.org/nabc/brackets/2012/02/gnt/|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: You can also listen to voice commentary without login via http://bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php or by selecting the look around our site option in http://w...|pg|| nt|psyck: ww.bridgebase.com/client/client.php|pg|| nt|fabsayc: heart lead|pg|| pc|sT|nt|psyck: http://www.bridgebase.com/client/client.php|pg|| nt|kit: This sor of auction screams for a trump lead, but North unwilling to lead trump from Qx.|pg|| nt|santyclz2: I would certainly open with it. That doesn't mean I would enjoy playing it - there are few guarentees in life.|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: confirms Spector advances with Bramley WD|pg|| pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: Moss 3@DX West|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|santyclz2: (guarantees)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan plays a club from hand and Spector follows!|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: no i don't know how to do ...|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Without the 10,9 I might not, vul.|pg|| nt|mdgraham: well, if you are playing weak twos, and you are dealt a weak two, I guess you have to open a weak two|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cT|nt|ahollan1: Wooldridge opened 1N [honest!] then 2@S showing @S & minor|pg|| pc|c5|nt|clinch: Can make 5, but likely to play safe for 4|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|nt|clinch: Well, now safe to play for 5 as no @d switch|pg|| pc|h5|nt|ahollan1: pointed out to me Spector has yet to play a 4th set|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: today's Daily Bulletin shows full list of 1st/2nd place teams in this event since its inception in 1973|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|fabsayc: club play was out of sequence|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|nt|ahollan1: i remember that event we were sooooo excited win 1st match in unit game was worth an entire 1.00 points|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h7|pc|s8|nt|santyclz2: So, do you think you would have taken 2 tricks in 2@ss?|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|h8|pc|sJ|pc|s9|pg|| nt|clinch: and @c 10 falling does it|pg|| nt|psyck: lol takes pitches in dummy instead of hand now|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|xenya: 3@C probably shows an honour in clubs (2@S was clubs) and us therefore invitational to 3N -- E wisely declines |pg|| pc|hT|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: back to down 2 now i think|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d9|nt|Vugraphzfc: the only thing that an vugraph operator cannot do is to revoke or play out of order :)|pg|| pc|dK|mc|10|pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2SJT974H43DQT76CA2,SK5HJ762DA98CKQ54,SQ32HATDK52CJ8763,SA86HKQ985DJ43CT9|sv|o|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|szalay: here @D lead beats 4@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: i noticed roland there is alot of very good declarers on that ist|pg|| nt|bigtrain: maybe there is a connection|pg|| mb|2N!|an|only way to make game try|nt|bigtrain: 2@H = 4|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 100%|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: randon game try|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2NT = random game try|pg|| pc|sT|nt|bigtrain: in fact it is the only game try|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other are slam try|pg|| nt|bigtrain: s! is a slam relay|pg|| nt|bigtrain: S1|pg|| nt|bigtrain: the rest are natural slam tries|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c9|nt|szalay: last chance now|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3@C = primy minmum|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c8|pc|h9|pc|s7|nt|bigtrain: meckwell play quantitative game bidding exclusively|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2SJT974H43DQT76CA2,SK5HJ762DA98CKQ54,SQ32HATDK52CJ8763,SA86HKQ985DJ43CT9|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|xenya: EW in trouble?|pg|| mb|1S|mb|2H|an|4!Hs|nt|clinch: @d switch in other room, and declarer took the safe 10 tricks|pg|| nt|xenya: probably not|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Late in a long match w didn't trust his counting enough to risk -1 when he had his vulnerable game.|pg|| mb|2S|nt|psyck: yeah they have enough for just a 1 level contract|pg|| nt|fabsayc: exactly|pg|| mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: 1@S usually 5+@S or 4@S willing to hear raise on 3|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: 2@C tends to deny 3@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D=art game force 3@D = 0544|pg|| nt|kit: East will be nervous about the diamond stopper, but 3NT still looks like most likely game|pg|| nt|mdgraham: same auction so far|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: all finesses working|pg|| nt|clinch: Another straightforward hand here, though not everyone opens 1NT with 5-4-2-2|pg|| nt|santyclz2: (E, of course)|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: Woolsey extra King for the auction|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Not my cuppa.|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan: Lead? Rodwell: 8 from 98 or 4th best|pg|| nt|bigtrain: @D8 becaus @D9 would be rusinow (in theory showing the 10 from length)|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|nt|psyck: Other room accepted the 2N invitation in deal 36 to tie the scores|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: 3@S interesting hedge with extras leaves Martel room in case slam interest|pg|| nt|fabsayc: courageous starts at the two level, 1@S is normal if partner has no expectations for the bid|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|xenya: 1 @D, 1@C and 3 trumps for the defence?|pg|| nt|santyclz2: It has no preemptive value on the auction and doesn't suggest a particularly good lead.|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|nt|ahollan1: not the dummy Glubok was hoping for|pg|| nt|ahollan1: was hoping to tap declarer knowing he's exactly 0544|pg|| nt|ahollan1: yes -- @C holding argues for trump lead|pg|| pc|cK|nt|psyck: especially with rags in the doubletons, if it was 5 @d & 4@c, 1@d would be my preferance, here i'd probably open 1N too|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| nt|mdgraham: nice lie of the cards here, with @CA onside |pg|| nt|fabsayc: but it might end up pushing the opponents|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|nt|bigtrain: y|pg|| nt|kit: Not clear what declarer should do here -- he may cash ace of clubs in case clubs 3-3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c9|nt|psyck: yes looks likely|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: don't quote me -- i'm starting to think opening leads are difficult|pg|| nt|ahollan1: make that GOOD opening leads are difficult -- i have no problems making bad leads|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|nt|psyck: Would you double as N Vlad?|pg|| nt|kit: Now best is 3 rounds of spades ending in hand, then heart hook for end-play|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in college system were devised to ensure i was on lead|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3SQT65HJ9654D3CQ53,SK72HAKQ2DAT94C42,SA984HT7DK8CAKT87,SJ3H83DQJ7652CJ96|sv|e|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 14-16|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|nt|szalay: probably South uses junk stayman|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|szalay: what means 2@C-2@D-2@H isnt invitation, just to play in longer major|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Lilienstein in 1N West|pg|| nt|ritong: wooldridge certainly likes this start he knows hisoption was good now|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@C-P-1@H-1N//end|pg|| nt|ritong: when @ss certainly are better than @hs, esat visibly holding AKQx|pg|| nt|ritong: west*|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3SQT65HJ9654D3CQ53,SK72HAKQ2DAT94C42,SA984HT7DK8CAKT87,SJ3H83DQJ7652CJ96|sv|e|nt|xenya: Moss is not happy with his pass -- 1N was an option of course|pg|| nt|ahollan1: since day 1 -- i've loved hands where declarer never pulls trump|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|nt|clinch: 4@h for NS here|pg|| nt|xenya: i might|pg|| nt|psyck: yes he did not have any comfy option indeed|pg|| mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+ includes Strong NT|pg|| mb|1N|nt|clinch: No issues|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D=4+@H|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: yes North had the perfect shape for a min x NV|pg|| nt|xenya: depending on the state of my stomach|pg|| nt|mdgraham: some pairs play 1NT here as other-2-suits, but these days, when people open on 11 and respond on 3, there is a good case for having it as natural|pg|| nt|fabsayc: not clear if polowan should pull this, probably have to go to 3@D to do that|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: going via 1n to show a 3 card limit raise|pg|| nt|psyck: :)|pg|| mb|p|pc|c8|nt|psyck: N will accept with extra shape|pg|| nt|ahollan1: he's treating that as 15-17?? or is range really higher?|pg|| nt|mdgraham: looks like 2@d was a Multi|pg|| pc|c9|nt|fabsayc: spector contemplating the stopperless 1nt bid|pg|| nt|santyclz2: With w "known" to have a @c honor, s has a problem here.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: but ducking cant help|pg|| nt|mdgraham: if that 8 is fourth highest, rule of 11 helps|pg|| nt|fabsayc: and if lead fourth best declarer has no stopper|pg|| pc|c3|nt|psyck: oh, S simply bid it|pg|| nt|clinch: Well, after the 2@h rebid....|pg|| nt|santyclz2: And from what holding other than 4th best, would n lead the 8?|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|odysseus70: chance to get on scoreboard with 1 imp|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|psyck: yes but S is 4333 & it is a NV game...|pg|| nt|clinch: S's hand looks very good with 2 aces|pg|| pc|d3|nt|santyclz2: Would n lead the 8 from 10,8,7,4? If so, the duck is key.|pg|| pc|dA|nt|clinch: Think just bidding 3@h puts too much pressure on partner|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c5|nt|psyck: yes there is certainly a fair case for 4 @h|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Woolsey: 1NT = strong NT range, could be off-shape. double showss 3@Hs|pg|| nt|odysseus70: or more|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|nt|hedyg: http://www.bridgeguys.com/Conventions/good_bad_two_no_trump.html|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|h2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: did one of the players state that 1N was 15-17? i know is some sequences DBL = strong NT rather than Support DBL but maybe that is just after 1@C-1@S [no 4+major]|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h3|nt|mdgraham: probably not a Multi - that's not allowed in the USA, I believe? |pg|| nt|mdgraham: so 2@d probably 18-20 balanced or somesuch|pg|| nt|bigtrain: multi is allowed n the spingold|pg|| nt|bigtrain: and the gnt|pg|| nt|kit: On diamond continuation , declarer runs his hearts. he can safely discard 2 spades and a club. North's discards won't be so easy.|pg|| nt|bigtrain: and the vandybilt|pg|| nt|henryb: Multi is most definitely allowed in the Spingold|pg|| nt|bigtrain: vanderbilt|pg|| nt|mdgraham: told Multi allowed in all unrestricted events, thanks|pg|| pc|h5|nt|ahollan1: ahh thanks Eric|pg|| nt|mdgraham: wan't sure|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| nt|bigtrain: all unrestricted team events|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s3|pc|h6|nt|clinch: Even if N had closen to bid 2@d, S's hand looks better than a limit raise|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|sA|mc|7|pg|| qx|o26|st||md|4S842HT43DJ876CQ75,SA93HAK9DKTCA6432,SJT765HQ82D532CT8,SKQHJ765DAQ94CKJ9|sv|b|nt|ritong: also, pard apparently has @c AK and @s A, so would be highly vulnerable to tapping in @ds|pg|| mb|1N|an|14-16|nt|bigtrain: 14-16|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: easier to look at BBO schedule it automagically calculates viewer's timezone|pg|| nt|szalay: what gadget coming now Walter?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: http://bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php?order_by=event|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2NT = puppet stayman|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and Arizona Time|pg|| mb|2N!|an|Puppet Stayman|nt|bigtrain: 3@C = no 5-card major|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C!|an|no 5 card Major|nt|bigtrain: 4@C = natural (233)5|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/|pg|| mb|4C!|an|(233)5|mb|p|mb|4D!|an|RKC !cs|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: 4@D = RKC|pg|| mb|4H|an|0 or 3 KCs|mb|p|mb|4S|an|asks for Q of !cs|nt|bigtrain: 4@S queen ask|pg|| nt|szalay: 6N is much better than 6@C|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4NT = no queen|pg|| mb|p|mb|4N!|an|no Q|mb|p|mb|6N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: many play 1N-3@C as Puppet Stayman Walter can you explain why meckwell use 1N-2N?|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: to avoid lead-directing X|pg|| nt|ritong: nicely done by meck|pg|| nt|bigtrain: and they use 3@C for other things|pg|| nt|ritong: who knows that pard has at most @s Axx|pg|| nt|ritong: so, no ruffing values in @c spot with his hand|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other room 1N-2@S//2N-6N|pg|| nt|ritong: also, it might well happen that @cs impose two unescapable losers when 12 can be made in NTs without using long @cs|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| nt|ritong: 6NT came very fast , but was deeply reasoned out imho|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ritong: no cigar, though|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c26|st||md|4S842HT43DJ876CQ75,SA93HAK9DKTCA6432,SJT765HQ82D532CT8,SKQHJ765DAQ94CKJ9|sv|b|nt|santyclz2: Agreed, I'm just trying to figure out what s was thinking.|pg|| nt|mdgraham: hmm that was avoidable perhaps|pg|| mb|1N|nt|clinch: NS may end in 1NT here|pg|| nt|xenya: a bit strange Moss missed a simple play for only 1 down-- @C ruff instead of that @D from dummy|pg|| nt|ahollan1: another 1@C because NS play Weak NT|pg|| nt|odysseus70: exciting deal|pg|| nt|mdgraham: some potential here.... |pg|| nt|fabsayc: problem is avoiding 7|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|an|!C or BAL inv|nt|xenya: and you always get 2 trumps at the end|pg|| nt|kit: other room result of 6@S doubled looks like a very likely place to end on this hand|pg|| nt|mdgraham: seven makes if you get the clubs right, but not %|pg|| nt|fabsayc: we use to start with 4@C|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@H=4+@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: DBL would be 4+@H NOT normal negative dbl|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2@C would show the reds and 2NT would show more of the reds|pg|| nt|kit: E-W may not have agreements on meaning of double by East here|pg|| nt|kit: Could be important for him to show his spade support|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: not sure how Martel shows 4-fit with strong NT|pg|| nt|mdgraham: 4@D?|pg|| nt|kit: This could be support double -- but does West know that?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: depends on agreements|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: South will probably bid 4@D|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Lilienstein: 2NT? Meck: reds|pg|| nt|kit: And now the bidding escalates|pg|| mb|6N|nt|xenya: but then, of course, i may be missing something deeper|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think 2@S would just be unbal min|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and i'd be wrong|pg|| nt|bigtrain: when eric came up wit the idea of support X he played them through the 4-level|pg|| nt|bigtrain: no support passes only occur at the 1 and 2-level though|pg|| nt|kit: Still don't know if it was support double, as West would bid 4@S regardless with his hand|pg|| nt|mdgraham: in the OR North bid up to 6@d all by himself|pg|| nt|mdgraham: 4@C Ger....no, better not say it. Roland might be watching |pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: Though 3 makes|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: North will certainly get to 6@D -- the only question is whether he gets there fast or slowly|pg|| nt|bigtrain: walking the dog?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: but the crux here is the club queen, so set that suit as trumps|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: and is actually a pretty good contract|pg|| nt|kit: I guess it was support double (at least East thinks so), since if he hadn't shown support he would surely have bid 5@S|pg|| nt|mdgraham: and led ace and another heart, too - well done|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: so maybe like Kaplan-Sheinwold 2@S = 4-fit BAL strong NT OR 4-fit unbal [so re-evaluates to extras]|pg|| nt|kit: And now the 6@D bid|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 5nt forces to slam and invites 7 but would not help, so wests approach is practical|pg|| nt|fabsayc: however using 4@C as a slam try in clubs with a suit lacking two top is ok, since the bid has next to no use in the modern style|pg|| nt|santyclz2: E is trying to figure out what (given w's spectacularly bad @c spots) what the surest method of taking 4 @c tricks is.|pg|| nt|mdgraham: I guess the surest method is a 3-2 break |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Lilienstein takes a restroom break, came back and found that no card is played|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Or maybe low to the 9?|pg|| pc|s9|nt|Vugraphzfc: Smith alerted 3@C but Moss did not|pg|| nt|ahollan1: without RHO interference they can differentiate|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|sK|nt|xenya: good lead|pg|| nt|psyck: it is a strange bid indeed|pg|| nt|kit: Well done by E-W|pg|| nt|bigtrain: doesn't 7@D make?|pg|| nt|mdgraham: a good idea on these types of hand is to simply aim to become declarer |pg|| pc|s4|nt|bigtrain: @H fineese|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i think it does|pg|| pc|s3|nt|bigtrain: tough to get the @CA|pg|| nt|bigtrain: west is on lead|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|nt|nilsland: West does not cover @HK - only four clubs go away|pg|| nt|bigtrain: yeah your right... 3-0 trump break beats it|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|12|nt|psyck: maybe N had a 2N bid on 1N with extra intermediaries|pg|| pg|| qx|o27|st||md|1SQ843H94D98654C54,SJT5HQ765DKTCJ872,SAK92HT3DAJ7CKQT9,S76HAKJ82DQ32CA63|sv|o|nt|szalay: now stiff/doubleton Q of @H is extra chance|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: other room shorter auction but play taking longer must be some sort of equilibrium equation|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H!|an|weak|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: weak raise w/4+fit|pg|| pc|c5|nt|szalay: it looks 1 level higher than optimum|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg|| nt|bigtrain: might even make 3@S|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hT|pg|| nt|szalay: but 2(3) @S makes|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|mc|8|pg|| qx|c27|st||md|1SQ843H94D98654C54,SJT5HQ765DKTCJ872,SAK92HT3DAJ7CKQT9,S76HAKJ82DQ32CA63|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan said sorry|pg|| nt|psyck: they have gotten to 3NT game on 26 last deal other room|pg|| nt|ahollan1: frequent teammates of Woolsey Boyd-Robinson also play transfers over 1@C with follow-ups that cover MANY more raise scenarios than standard bidding allows|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: A real slam now|pg|| nt|clinch: 6@h cold|pg|| nt|xenya: W knew N had only the trimps left, so of course he didn't ruff in|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 12-14|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 2NT asking|pg|| nt|kit: It seems sort of inconsistent for Rodwell to have not doubled -- he was bidding 6@D to make, so he should either double or save I think.|pg|| nt|bigtrain: they are conservative preemptors|pg|| nt|santyclz2: According to suitplay.exe (I'm told) the safest wat is @ck then low towards hand.|pg|| nt|fabsayc: king then low to jack guards against singleton queen with south|pg|| nt|fabsayc: or Q10xx with north|pg|| mb|1C|nt|psyck: we are starting to get swingy boards after a slow start|pg|| nt|bigtrain: no|pg|| mb|1H|nt|bigtrain: they do not play multi|pg|| nt|kit: normal weak 2's for them I think|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: mny years ago|pg|| nt|bigtrain: many|pg|| nt|kit: what is 3@H?|pg|| mb|3C!|an|mixed raise|nt|bigtrain: 3@H is ART shows medium vaues|pg|| mb|d|nt|psyck: nice 5@d bid|pg|| nt|psyck: E's black suit holdings will likely tempt him to go for the slam|pg|| nt|kit: this preempt RKC?|pg|| mb|3D|nt|bigtrain: 4@C is an ART slam try in @S|pg|| nt|kit: ok|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: Hmm not even a second thought of bidding on by E|pg|| nt|kit: I'm surprised North just doesn't bid RKC and drive it in|pg|| mb|4H|nt|bigtrain: no|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: Certainly should have thought for a bit|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i said our :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: you're right -- that wasn't meant for the entire room|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: nicely done|pg|| nt|bigtrain: it last train|pg|| nt|kit: looks like that is what he is now doing|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: 4@h could have been a preemptive raise|pg|| nt|bigtrain: denies @D control|pg|| nt|mdgraham: 4@h=good hand in context?|pg|| pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: this hand would drive finesse-addict crazier|pg|| nt|bigtrain: Q|pg|| nt|bigtrain: art = artificial|pg|| nt|kit: now 5@H queen ask I guess|pg|| nt|bigtrain: this is normal RKC|pg|| nt|mdgraham: a bit too much, this|pg|| nt|mdgraham: still, no double, no trouble|pg|| pc|c2|nt|kit: And another push. Really good bridge at both tables so far this match.|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|nt|bigtrain: 5@H is Q ask|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h5|nt|psyck: no losing option here with @c breaking|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| pc|h8|nt|bigtrain: 5NT Q but no kng|pg|| pc|h4|nt|bigtrain: last train is just positive noise - noting to do with the bid suit|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dK|nt|bigtrain: nothing|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cK|nt|kit: Opening lead will worry declarer, as he will fear it is a singleton, so giving up heart trick not safe|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c4|nt|fabsayc: mixed raise when responding to overcall and opener are somewhat different|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: Larsen takes the lead!|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Wooldridge-Hurd stopped in 2@D on hand Woolsey-Martel made 3N|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sT|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o28|st||md|2SKJ53HT854DKQ95CT,S642HK97D7632CK94,SA7HAJ62DAT4CA762,SQT98HQ3DJ8CQJ853|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: other room vs 6N lead was @Sx rather than helpful @D |pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|szalay: another routine game is coming|pg|| pc|s2|nt|bigtrain: or a nap for those of us who already ate lunch :)|pg|| nt|ritong: wooldridge is not really worried|pg|| nt|ritong: despite the perfect fitting hands|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| nt|ritong: they lack at least the @h9 to make slam decent, and anyways who would even sniff at it|pg|| nt|bigtrain: isn't butte bigger than helena?|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|nt|ahollan1: 27 other Lilienstein-Polowan exploring game!!|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|szalay: I think slam is bad with 9 of @Hs yet|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i realise that helena is the capital but always thought butte was bigger|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i played bridge tourney in Missoula - home of their university|pg|| nt|bigtrain: a new (informed) voice is heard from... billings is the largest city|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|h5|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|h9|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|hT|pc|c9|pg|| nt|ritong: next:)|pg|| mc|11|nt|ahollan1: 27 other room did get to 4@H|pg|| pg|| qx|c28|st||md|2SKJ53HT854DKQ95CT,S642HK97D7632CK94,SA7HAJ62DAT4CA762,SQT98HQ3DJ8CQJ853|sv|n|nt|psyck: maybe if W had means of showing a good raise...|pg|| nt|clinch: Not sure that's so after 1@d-2@d|pg|| nt|fabsayc: in NA useage a 3@H raise would be nothing on the side, since west had a side king he cant do that, and so we call it a mixed raise|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: After 1@H-1@S;2@D, East has difficult choice|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: there was a day when the auction would be P-P-P-P|pg|| nt|kit: 2@D auto|pg|| mb|2C|nt|clinch: I expect them to sniff that out in the other room|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|nt|psyck: With Woolsey in their team, they probably play Woolsey over NT|pg|| nt|hedyg: team roosters:http://www.acbl.org/nabc/rosters/2012/02/EGNTS/|pg|| nt|odysseus70: chance to double score here|pg|| nt|kit: I think the 1NT call shows spades|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: it is probably tough to find even if south passes|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no ... it wasn't Tuesday|pg|| mb|4H|nt|hedyg: team roosters: http://www.acbl.org/nabc/rosters/2012/02/EGNTS/|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: they had pewrfect well fitting cards...|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|c9|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: 59 same auction in other room but different 1N range same @D6 lead|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h5|nt|psyck: unlike this time :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: this hand more interesting in different form of scoring|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|nt|clinch: We shall se... my money is on a swing (I don't drink coke)|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Low to the j also wins if w has kqx.|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s3|nt|kit: Might have been better technique to duck opening lead -- not sure|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Moss: standard carding? Glubok: yup|pg|| nt|xenya: missed the last hand -- something wrong with the fridge :(|pg|| pc|c6|nt|psyck: it just made, he did not have communication to sqz South for an o/t anyway|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h8|pc|cK|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Not if you are planning to cash the ace next time.|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|nt|psyck: other room S passed as I thought & after 4th seat 1@h, dbl by S & 2NT @h raise by W...|pg|| nt|psyck: so they are indeed on their way...may find it|pg|| nt|psyck: but I still wouldn't bet my money6 on it, maybe a beer :)|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|nt|fabsayc: i like beckers play, hearts are not the only issue|pg|| nt|santyclz2: (In any event, I think that since you are planning to ruff @cs the proper play is "not to".)|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s5|nt|clinch: I just think East should have given it some consideration - he passed like lightning|pg|| pc|s4|pc|h2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|hA|mc|11|pg|| qx|o29|st||md|3SAT2HAQ953DACA543,S975HKJ6DT32CKQT7,S64HT87DKQ984CJ98,SKQJ83H42DJ765C62|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|ritong: interesting|pg|| mb|2H|an|limited by failure to bid Drury|mb|2S|nt|bigtrain: portland if you enjoy rain :)|pg|| nt|szalay: 2! has that advantage West wd not lead K of @C|pg|| nt|szalay: 2@S|pg|| nt|ritong: certainly 2@h is limited upstairs, but downstairs?|pg|| nt|ritong: does not seem to match " constructive" option|pg|| nt|bigtrain: meck's hand is a one lead hand thus he takes aggressive action to help partner|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I think that's why they alert it - it isn't at all constructive by passed hand|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ritong: ya|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: wo-ow|pg|| pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: 27 Becker opened north hand 1N so he's declarer in 4@H Hurd 1N=14-16 so he opened 1@C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry 28|pg|| nt|szalay: rehi|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck has his card on the table upside down - Wooldridge: "you sure, what if I play the 6" Meck: "only when I'm sure"|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c6|nt|szalay: probably 9 is (upside down) SP for @Cs|pg|| nt|bigtrain: yes it is|pg|| nt|ahollan1: SP = suit preference|pg|| nt|bigtrain: although redundent when looking at dummy :)|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|h7|nt|ritong: guess we can predict a 6 imps swing here|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|c3|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|c4|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|s8|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|h4|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c29|st||md|3SAT2HAQ953DACA543,S975HKJ6DT32CKQT7,S64HT87DKQ984CJ98,SKQJ83H42DJ765C62|sv|b|nt|clinch: Next time on that board E might pass 1@h|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: stopping at 3@H may be tough|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: Here's another slam - very biddable|pg|| nt|clinch: In fact, I'm prepared to bet a brewery that it will be bid|pg|| nt|psyck: yes they are bidding it|pg|| nt|psyck: of course they had a easier start to the bidding other room...|pg|| nt|clinch: I was meaning this board :)|pg|| nt|psyck: aah :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: move @S3 to different suit and open 2@D Chip|pg|| mb|1H|nt|psyck: yes, certainly biddable|pg|| nt|kit: Scary hand to overcall with, but passing is also dangerous|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|nt|psyck: both have enough extras|pg|| nt|psyck: so will find a key card missing & settle in 6|pg|| nt|xenya: and there it will rest?|pg|| mb|2S|mb|4H|nt|mdgraham: one of those things you have to do |pg|| mb|d|nt|bigtrain: i would be shocked if he did|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: and so it proved|pg|| nt|kit: South might well have doubled -- here the double won't tell declarer anything, as the 5-0 split will soon be known.|pg|| nt|kit: Not clear whether North should come back heart or diamond here -- heart may be necessary to eventually promote trump trick for South|pg|| nt|kit: Diamond may be necessary to set up partner's hypothetical king|pg|| nt|ahollan1: after raise to 3@H do you lead 3 or 10 from this holding?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3|pg|| nt|fabsayc: what did we bet, hedy?|pg|| pc|s5|nt|bigtrain: raise can be on a doubleton|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Looking only at the n-s hans would you want to stop at 3 expecting a @s lead?|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 5 boards to score 5 imp difference|pg|| nt|ahollan1: can anyone help me with the math?|pg|| pc|c6|nt|clinch: Seemed a while before N passed - of course would make 7 if in it|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dA|nt|clinch: But here prudently setting for 12 tricks|pg|| nt|psyck: yes no risk after @d lead|pg|| nt|kit: South doesn't think his partner has the ace of clubs, so heart plays look like only defense to him.|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|nt|kit: Now he should know the heart position, so will assume North has ace of clubs to have a chance|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Meckstroth put his cards down and think|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| nt|fabsayc: i think even with this poor fitter 4@H is within range for a vulnerable game, but say heart jack in east and game is fine|pg|| nt|mdgraham: this is a bit unlucky for the Spector team|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|h7|nt|psyck: Spector has a big lead in the other semi: http://www.acbl.org/nabc/brackets/2012/02/gnt/|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|odysseus70: better to take 2nd spade then diamond|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|c3|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: i think lead of @C2 instead of @C7 just overtrick issue|pg|| pc|dT|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|c5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h4|nt|fabsayc: this diamond play i dont understand|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o30|st||md|4S6HAQ76DQJ96CAKJ7,SKT83H842DAK7CT62,SA94HJ953DT8C8543,SQJ752HKTD5432CQ9|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|3S|nt|szalay: 3@S: spl raise of @H|pg|| mb|4S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: money in the bank|pg|| nt|ahollan1: on 29 Polowan also overcalls 2@S|pg|| nt|ritong: meck probably does not adore this scenario|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: back to 29 Spector jumps to 4@H and Lilienstein DBL|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| nt|ritong: will be more than 6 imps, then|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @S lead @C shift so more imps for the leaders|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|c7|pc|s8|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|h7|pc|sK|pc|s9|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|sJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c30|st||md|4S6HAQ76DQJ96CAKJ7,SKT83H842DAK7CT62,SA94HJ953DT8C8543,SQJ752HKTD5432CQ9|sv|o|nt|xenya: and the other team is?|pg|| nt|psyck: Bramley|pg|| nt|odysseus70: same 2 down either way|pg|| mb|p|nt|xenya: thanks|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 60 [3@SW+1] Wooldridge in 3@DSouth|pg|| nt|kit: 4@H making in other room -- not immediately obvious where 10 tricks came from|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|3S!|an|splinter|mb|p|nt|clinch: Not a very lovely 2@c bid there I would say|pg|| nt|kit: 14-16 NT opening -- odds against a game|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i wonder how close Woolsey is to making negative DBL|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|d5|nt|fabsayc: 3@S is actually a slight overbid|pg|| nt|mdgraham: agreed, but if you raise to 3@h and partner passes you would feel uneasy about it |pg|| pc|dQ|nt|clinch: But had a good effect for EW|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan: 2NT? Meltzer: we don't have an agreement|pg|| nt|clinch: Maybe 2NT interpreted as conventional?|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| nt|psyck: Ron has clearly seen Brad's overcalls before|pg|| pc|dA|nt|kit: Need a 4-card heart suit to have a chance, and even that might not be good enough. I agree with North's pass, assuming 2@C then 3@C isn't to play.|pg|| pc|dT|nt|ahollan1: last 2 sets have seen at least 3 instances of raising partner's major suit overcall with Jx|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c3|nt|clinch: 2NT would make on a @s lead if Smith ran lead to his 9|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pg|| nt|fabsayc: on rodwell auction west could not double 3@S to invite a sac since that would say dont lead a spade|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Becker is asking for the meaning of first lead |pg|| nt|mdgraham: he won't want to play a heart to the queen and king, say, and have another diamond pushed through|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Becker: normally what do you lead from 4 small cards?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: isnt the real danger a 4-1 heart break?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan: judge from the number, could be either 2nd or 4th|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|nt|xenya: delicate contract -- 5-0 trumps shouldn't prevent it from making -- but still|pg|| pc|h3|nt|psyck: declarer doesn't have many losers, so he could do ok here in spite of the break|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| nt|clinch: This, however, has no hope|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|nt|psyck: makes a case for getting into the auction on any excuse|pg|| nt|fabsayc: polowan means he might lead second from some four small holdings|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|psyck: he will need the @h fins now hoping to lose 2@s & 1@c|pg|| nt|xenya: just ruff last @D i think|pg|| nt|xenya: sorry, N overruffs...|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|h8|pc|h9|pg|| nt|clinch: The case would be reversed if EW had to toil in 2@h |pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| nt|psyck: yeah, i don't deny 2@c was ugly :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: schedule for tommorrow's final http://bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php?order_by=event|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Woosley said sorry (on the lead)|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|nt|psyck: can still make losing only 1 @s maybe|pg|| nt|xenya: yes|pg|| pc|sA|nt|bigtrain: 2@C-f-3@C is an asking bid|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|mc|10|nt|ahollan1: Open Room just finished play|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: bathroom break|pg|| nt|fabsayc: is the playing room hot?|pg|| pg|| qx|o31|st||md|1SJ52HKQ763D2CK974,SAT74H8DQ6543CJT6,SQ98HJ9542DK8CAQ2,SK63HATDAJT97C853|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|d|nt|bigtrain: yes|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: maybe NS have way to differentiate pure preemptive 4@H and 4@H bid with some defense|pg|| nt|szalay: i think its a very marginal DBL, especially with passed pd|pg|| mb|4D!|nt|bigtrain: routine X imo|pg|| nt|ritong: 4@d two or three wayed shot|pg|| nt|bigtrain: you have to get in early to describe these hands|pg|| nt|ritong: 1)allows pard to judge correctly if they go to 4@s|pg|| nt|ritong: 2) indicates a good lead if so|pg|| nt|szalay: I think if we have sthg to make pd will bid|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Daily Bulletin says restart 10 minutes earlier than BBO schedule showing|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i'd be shocked if he passes... not their style|pg|| nt|bigtrain: X-f-4@S is the only choice other than a direct 4@S|pg|| nt|bigtrain: personally i still expect 4@S|pg|| nt|ritong: 3)can marginally allow to discover a perfecto|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 29 just finished in other room 8 imps to leaders|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I'll check with the director when we finish - I thought it was 4:30 Philadelphia time, but they may have moved it earlier because of my party :)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4@S makes the opponents sort things out now|pg|| nt|bigtrain: X gives them extra ways to work things out|pg|| mb|d|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: party just for Jan = ACBL Hall of Fame Banquet|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Jan being inducted as is Kyle Larsen [can't remember 3rd]|pg|| mb|d|mb|5D|nt|ahollan1: Kyle too ill to attend :(|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Grant Baze - it's the District 21 Hall of Fame induction :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thanks 3rd inductee is Michael Kamil|pg|| nt|szalay: it goes down 300 only - good news|pg|| nt|bigtrain: what time should i tell him?|pg|| nt|szalay: bad news: 4@H has 4 top losers|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Michael Kamil is being honored as Sportsman of the Year but is still to young to be in the Hall of Fame|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: beard should override age requirement|pg|| nt|ahollan1: [my beard almost old enough]|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|hA|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|d3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i left hm a message roland|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|h6|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i already called|pg|| nt|ritong: ...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: from Daily Bulletin "The ceremony, which will be emceed by Judi Radin will honor Kyle Larsen, von Zedtwitz award winner Grand Baze and Blackwood Award winner Jan Martel. Michael ...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Kamil will recieve the Sydney H Lazard Jr Sportsmanship Award|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|cJ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c31|st||md|1SJ52HKQ763D2CK974,SAT74H8DQ6543CJT6,SQ98HJ9542DK8CAQ2,SK63HATDAJT97C853|sv|n|nt|xenya: a neater line is perhaps cash @H AK and @CA first, then ruff the @D |pg|| nt|ahollan1: but check Daily Bulletin -- possible earlier start times that aren't reflected in BBO |pg|| nt|bigtrain: forces 3@D for a description|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: it's freezing cold actually|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: play resume|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: Couple more IMPs to Larsen on 28 when E chose (correctly in my view) to pass 1@h|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: "forces" 3@D since if opener bid 2@H he can still have @S|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: we have seen a ton of close vugraph matches in USA recently|pg|| mb|2H|nt|clinch: He'd do well to pass here too|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: vul pass doesn't seem likely|pg|| nt|fabsayc: good hand for drury|pg|| nt|bigtrain: opposite a 3rd seat opener i thin drury is better|pg|| nt|bigtrain: BUT if east doubles, 4@D is better |pg|| nt|fabsayc: change club king to ace i might splinter|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i would have opened in that case martin :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: 4m ok sac nv|pg|| nt|kit: I know most would think the South hand not a weak 2 at this vul, but might have been quite effective here -- would either East or West have bid?|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: 3@h might fail as declarer can't get to dummy for a trump finesse|pg|| nt|ahollan1: all i had to do was wait 5 seconds to not look like idiot|pg|| nt|fabsayc: each to his own|pg|| pc|c3|nt|Vugraphzfc: Spector whisper: I don't know|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cT|nt|psyck: true but not easy to defend & they may give entry|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|xenya: boring hand|pg|| nt|mdgraham: it's a bit quacky, but the suit is decent enough |pg|| pc|h2|nt|bigtrain: not available... 2@H would have been intermediate|pg|| pc|hA|nt|bigtrain: rusinow lead from known length|pg|| nt|mdgraham: 1st and 2nd seat 2@h=4414 10-15|pg|| nt|bigtrain: oh you're talking about a 2@H opener... that would have been weak|pg|| nt|bigtrain: but remember i said meckwell are very conservative preemptors|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pg|| pc|s3|nt|xenya: but a quick one|pg|| nt|kit: I was talking about original 2@H opener, yes|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|nt|psyck: the 3rd & 4th session will start 30 mins earlier than scheduled|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| pc|s4|nt|mdgraham: sry, apparently my system notes for NS are out of date :(|pg|| nt|kit: I'm not suggesting it is a percentage action -- only pointing out that on this deal it might have been effective.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan: signals? Rodwell: upside down|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sK|nt|clinch: In truth I think they'd defend it right, but we shall never know|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i know they don't play Gazzilli, but not sure if NS use any version of Bart|pg|| nt|fabsayc: what happened to consult partner Hedy?|pg|| pc|dA|nt|bigtrain: was too busy typing to see he was first seat|pg|| nt|ahollan1: NS convention card from 2009 Bermuda Bowl http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2009worldteams-brazil/bermudabowl/usa2/meckstroth-rodwell.pdf|pg|| nt|ahollan1: soon we'll have the 2012 version for the upcoming World Mind Games [is that the right name for what used to be the Olympiad?]|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|d8|pg|| mc|9|nt|Vugraphzfc: and he is happy when poloway plays @DA|pg|| pg|| qx|o32|st||md|2SAKQ4HQ93DKJ8CA42,SJ76HAK2DQ654CT98,ST93HJT86DT9CKJ63,S852H754DA732CQ75|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: so Daily Bulletin says restart 4pm local [75 minutes] BBO says 4:30 local |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: The director says that 4:30 is the correct starting time for the next session|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: Rodwell: "is this normal Stayman?" Wooldridge: "yes"|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: 2N=19-bad 21|pg|| nt|ritong: predictable down 2|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I think the Daily Bulletin is for the other 3 flights, not this one|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so sorry i missed small print that said 4:30 [blame the old beard]|pg|| nt|szalay: it looks 2 off|pg|| pc|d6|nt|szalay: declarer will play for @Cs|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 30 [4@SXE-3] other room 4@H north ew never in the auction|pg|| nt|ritong: yes, ensuring down one playing @hs and discovering later there was @c Qxx on is not a feeling one wants to have|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i called him (again) and left a(nother) message :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: cell phones not allowed on golf course??|pg|| pc|h6|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg|| nt|bigtrain: he alreay suspects that|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h3|pc|d5|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pg|| mc|7|nt|ritong: merci a tous|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other room still on 30|pg|| nt|szalay: thx all, enjoyed|pg|| pg|| qx|c32|st||md|2SAKQ4HQ93DKJ8CA42,SJ76HAK2DQ654CT98,ST93HJT86DT9CKJ63,S852H754DA732CQ75|sv|e|nt|psyck: 3@dx it is|pg|| nt|ahollan1: plus score is good - i read that somewhere|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Last board this segment, thanks everyone :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2nd set scheduled to begin in about 20 minutes|pg|| nt|fabsayc: you can, 2c followed by 3d can be a singleton if you agree that|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: they are all quick, other room half a dozen boards behind|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Last board here, thanks krishna and Vladimir :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Last board here. Thanks Al and everyone|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: May only be -1|pg|| nt|xenya: thanks everyone :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thank YOU Eric|pg|| nt|bigtrain: lilienstein team played an excellent quarter|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: I meant Poloway|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan ...|pg|| mb|1C|nt|henryb: OUTSTANDING JOB, Eric. Loud appreciative applause|pg|| nt|kit: Not a great slam looking at N-S cards alone, but with West opening the bidding it becomes a great slam.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: thanks you Henry :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: but still a swing to tighten the match|pg|| nt|ahollan1: still playing weak NT|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: :)|pg|| nt|kit: Now a splinter by North, and maybe ????|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan left the table for bathroom|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: and now everyone left |pg|| nt|bigtrain: most who play weak NT do not play support X|pg|| nt|bigtrain: they use the X to show the strong nt|pg|| nt|bigtrain: ive been trying to drag you into the 21st century for quite awhile henry|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: players are back|pg|| mb|1H|nt|psyck: Thanks Eric, Vlad, Hedy, Andrew, David, & kibs.|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: NS making 4@h here |pg|| nt|kit: here is my suggested splinter -- now will South cooperate?|pg|| nt|mdgraham: may be worried about his realtively poor trumps|pg|| nt|kit: 4@D by South might be RKC. Walter?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: any 6 trump is good opposite 4+ trump :)|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: 1N=NF a) 2/3@H, Strong NT b) 3@H, not 4@S, unbal c) 4@H, 15-19 HCP|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: N will want to bid now|pg|| nt|kit: If South does make a move, North can bid slam|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: 1@S asks|pg|| pc|d9|nt|ahollan1: 1N=15-17 NT|pg|| pc|dA|nt|psyck: double seems to express frustration at the bidding here|pg|| nt|clinch: Hmm.... that double isn't my cup of tea|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@C PUP 2@D|pg|| pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: will show 5@H invite|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|kit: Would 4@C by South have been forcing Walter?|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|ahollan1: 2@H=5+suit, INV|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i thought 2N would show exactly 5@H invite|pg|| pc|dT|pg|| nt|xenya: i might have reopened with a double with the N hand|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 2nt is very makeable|pg|| nt|mdgraham: they sure have - defecit is substantial |pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|h9|pg|| nt|bigtrain: they really don't spend too many bids for slam after overcalls|pg|| nt|mdgraham: sry, deficit. |pg|| pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: @CK offside, 3 trump losers |pg|| nt|ahollan1: i don't see any way to avoid any of that|pg|| nt|mdgraham: still, there are 32 boards to go|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: This is the last board for the first half, thanks all for watching|pg|| nt|mdgraham: thank you Eric|pg|| nt|ahollan1: restart in about 90 minutes|pg|| nt|fabsayc: thanks eric and everybody involved in these broadcasts|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Thanks Mike, Martin, Walter and all voice commentators|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d3|nt|psyck: can W be squeezed for an o/t?|pg|| nt|clinch: yes|pg|| pc|dK|pg|| pc|hQ|mc|8|nt|bigtrain: its tailend of the bell curve stuff and they don't feel its important particularly|pg|| nt|mdgraham: thanks all|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Thanks all, bye for now.|pg|| pg||