vg|2012 Grand National Teams SF,Segment 2 of 4,I,17,32,Lilienstein (D24),23,Larsen NPC (D21),43| rs|5DN=,3DN+2,4HW-2,4HW-1,4HN=,4HN=,4SE-1,4SE-1,2SE+1,2SE=,3NS+1,3NS+1,4HE=,4HE+1,3NW+2,3NW+2,4HN=,4HN=,3NS+1,1NS+3,6HE=,4HE+2,1HW-1,2SE-2,6HN=,6HN=,3DWx-1,3CS-1,3HNx-1,4CW-2,5HSx=,4HSx=| pn|Wooldridge,Woolsey,Hurd,Martel,Meltzer,Polowan,Smith,Lilienstei|pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1S65HT8765DAKQJC76,SKJ4H92D52CKT9432,SAQ32HKQ3D9764CAJ,ST987HAJ4DT83CQ85|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|clinch: Hi|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: Welcome back from the rainy Poconos.|pg|| nt|santyclz2: The auction certainly makes for sense for these hands...|pg|| nt|bigtrain: y|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|clinch: NS are New York based, EW representing California|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|nt|fabsayc: is this even the right board|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Are we sure this is the auction for this board?|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1S65HT8765DAKQJC76,SKJ4H92D52CKT9432,SAQ32HKQ3D9764CAJ,ST987HAJ4DT83CQ85|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|clinch: Well now NS are California, EW NY - ahe bidding looks a bit better :)|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: hello everyone|pg|| pc|sT|nt|clinch: hi Krishna|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hK|nt|clinch: Innocuos board to start - three obvious losers|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| nt|clinch: innocuous even|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| mc|10|nt|psyck: result for the 1st couple of boards we missed have been entered|pg|| nt|clinch: You might even bet that this would be identical at any table|pg|| pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SAH876DJT9864CQ52,SJ876HAQJTDKCJT63,ST953HK532D2CA974,SKQ42H94DAQ753CK8|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: 3NT best|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: system summary for n/s http://usbf.org/index2.php?option=com_teamforms&task=display&pop=1&page=0&fid=943&pid=167|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzfb: some problems here...better now..sorry|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 2@C by woolsey followed by 3@S would have allowed for 3nt as an alternative|pg|| nt|bigtrain: with a @D lead n/s have trump promotions available|pg|| pc|c2|nt|fabsayc: undo|pg|| nt|hedyg: you can find the NS CC here: http://info.ecatsbridge.com/listSYScs.aspx?dir=\2011worldteams-netherlands\bermudabowl\usa%202|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 4@S by west, operator|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Polowan opened west hand 1@C in context of Strong NT i believe EW play Weak NT|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Some partnerships play 4th suit forcing by passed hands, many don't. I don't know what e-w's agreements are there.|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other room didn't explore NT either|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dK|pg|| nt|santyclz2: 1 more chance to find the @d switch...|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| nt|santyclz2: And he does.|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: further investigation 1@D = 5+@D unbal or 4441@C balanced hands open 1@C or 1N|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|sQ|mc|9|pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SAH876DJT9864CQ52,SJ876HAQJTDKCJT63,ST953HK532D2CA974,SKQ42H94DAQ753CK8|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|clinch: Looks as though 4@s, if reached, will fail here, certainly if played by W|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|psyck: other table reached it|pg|| mb|p|nt|psyck: & they should here too|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: @d would have been a normal lead except for the 1@d bid|pg|| nt|clinch: Yes, so let's see - will take a bit of making|pg|| nt|psyck: @d lead should get defense 2@s, 1@h , 1@c tricks|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|psyck: other room south lead a @c after a similar auction|pg|| nt|clinch: Yes, likely to play a @s to K or Q|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sQ|nt|clinch: Club followed by a @d may still beat it|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| pc|d8|nt|psyck: prblem with @c is that declarer may be able to set up a @c trick for @h pitch|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|nt|psyck: hmmm|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cK|nt|clinch: Now just down in top tricks|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s2|mc|9|pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SK4H953DK54CKQ754,SQT6HAQ62DAJTCJT9,SA85HJT4D87632CA6,SJ9732HK87DQ9C832|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|nt|santyclz2: The USA is priviledged to have 2 Ron Smiths who play top level bridge. |pg|| mb|1N|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: http://info.ecatsbridge.com/Systems/2011worldteams-netherlands/bermudabowl/usa%202/hurd-wooldridge.pdf|pg|| nt|bigtrain: generally speaking 14-16 1st, 2nd, 3rd NV|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 15-17 3rd V and 4th is the standard approach|pg|| pc|h3|nt|fabsayc: probably an overtrick now|pg|| nt|ahollan1: leads 3rd/5th upside-down count & attitude|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|c2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry i only heard last half with our names|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SK4H953DK54CKQ754,SQT6HAQ62DAJTCJT9,SA85HJT4D87632CA6,SJ9732HK87DQ9C832|sv|n|nt|psyck: was probably down after @d lead even if declarer got @s right|pg|| nt|clinch: Double dummy may have had a chance, but highly unlikely|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|mb|1N|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: 2@s looks makeable here|pg|| pc|cK|nt|clinch: Just 5 black suit losers|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|s5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h8|pg|| mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfc: short break|pg|| nt|clinch: Martel also went down on 20 after club-club, heart finesse, diamond|pg|| nt|psyck: yeah it would have been too duble dummy to make even after @c lead|pg|| nt|psyck: Those using the Browser version of BBO have the option of listening to Andrew & Cornelia on voice commentary.|pg|| pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4SA854HAK6DTCQT542,SJ96HJ953DJ732C63,SKHQ742DAK9864CAJ,SQT732HT8DQ5CK987|sv|e|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: ahh start times for segments 3 & 4 30 minutes earlier than posted BBO schedule|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: The start times for the 3rd and 4th segments have been corrected on the vg schedule.|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php|pg|| nt|ahollan1: except --- i'm told BBO schedule has been corrected :)|pg|| mb|1S!|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: (Make it your home page!)|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: alert probably means unbalanced hand|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the alert of 1@S is probably that it guarantees an unbalanced hand|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ahollan1: 2@H 4th suit forcing [length is coincidence]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: other room Smith bid 3@D rather than 3N but final contract still 3N South|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and their lead the other red 3 |pg|| nt|fabsayc: woolsey did not follow his own rule for opening leads|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @H3|pg|| nt|bigtrain: unlikely - most treat that s balanced hedy|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: voice commentary in both rooms available after login using browser OR without login via http://bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sK|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|s5|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|h8|nt|ahollan1: expanding on Martin's statement: Kit believes opening leads vs NT often should be your 5-card suit or attempt to find partner's 5-bagger|pg|| pc|c2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d9|nt|ahollan1: so often will lead from 3-card suit instead of 4-cards|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|cJ|pc|s7|pc|sA|pg|| nt|fabsayc: that is exactly what i meant :)|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c9|pc|cT|mc|10|pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4SA854HAK6DTCQT542,SJ96HJ953DJ732C63,SKHQ742DAK9864CAJ,SQT732HT8DQ5CK987|sv|e|nt|clinch: In the GNT often the faces are familiar, but the partnerships slightly different from the later events|pg|| mb|p|nt|clinch: Because of the constraints of state membership|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|nt|clinch: We'll see the Italians later in the week :)|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|nt|psyck: :)|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|clinch: Quite close to slam here, but not quite enough maybe?|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: 6@c has a chance|pg|| pc|h3|nt|Vugraphzfc: Meltzer: carding? Polowan: standard, Smith, o/e discards|pg|| nt|clinch: I think 6@c thwarted as need to ruff a spade and that sets up a second trump loser|pg|| nt|psyck: no, can't ruff as u say, on red suit sqz on W|pg|| nt|clinch: Yes that may work|pg|| nt|psyck: so 6NT would make too similarly|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hT|nt|psyck: 6@d obviously would not|pg|| nt|clinch: Well, we'll see!|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|clinch: Likely to play for squeeze in 6NT, as obvioosly nothing to ruff|pg|| pc|c8|nt|psyck: yes, no reason not to |pg|| nt|clinch: Some entry issues|pg|| nt|clinch: Actually, not sure squeeze works now, but could set up diamonds|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| nt|clinch: Since W now out of clubs|pg|| nt|psyck: yes , that works|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|clinch: If E had taked K@c, then squeeze on|pg|| pc|s6|nt|psyck: he has his 9 tricks & can do whatever he wants|pg|| pc|d4|pc|cK|pg|| nt|psyck: other room also settle in 3N|pg|| nt|clinch: Still, all double dummy - will settle for safe 11|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cT|pc|sJ|pc|d6|nt|psyck: now the sqz :)|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|s7|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1SK763H62DKT65CT85,SAJT2HAJ84D872C74,SQ95H97DQ943CKQ32,S84HKQT53DAJCAJ96|sv|b|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: Does Kit limit that lead advice to imps or does he recommend it for mps as well?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: mostly for imps|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C!|nt|fabsayc: safety is more important at mps|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| nt|fabsayc: usually you would not risk contract with a second spade finesse, this may be an exception|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1SK763H62DKT65CT85,SAJT2HAJ84D872C74,SQ95H97DQ943CKQ32,S84HKQT53DAJCAJ96|sv|b|nt|clinch: Well, just 10 - all speculation fruitless|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|clinch: This looks like everybody's 4@h|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|clinch: 2@c Drury|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cK|nt|clinch: Can make 5, but likely to play safe for 4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg|| nt|clinch: Well, now safe to play for 5 as no @d switch|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cT|nt|clinch: and @c 10 falling does it|pg|| nt|psyck: lol takes pitches in dummy instead of hand now|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2S9654HA532DT543C2,SQJH98DAKQ9CQJ964,SK7HQ764DJ72CK875,SAT832HKJTD86CAT3|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: if your going to open 1@D seems more consistent to continue with 2@C|pg|| mb|2H!|nt|ahollan1: 1N rebid shows @C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D opening is unbalanced|pg|| mb|p|nt|fabsayc: cant he be 2452?|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|fabsayc: to me 1nt shows 5 diamonds in this style|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i believe 2@H ostensibly natural with extras|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d6|nt|Walddk2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spingold|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|c6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|mc|11|pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2S9654HA532DT543C2,SQJH98DAKQ9CQJ964,SK7HQ764DJ72CK875,SAT832HKJTD86CAT3|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|clinch: @d switch in other room, and declarer took the safe 10 tricks|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h4|pc|hT|nt|psyck: all finesses working|pg|| nt|clinch: Another straightforward hand here, though not everyone opens 1NT with 5-4-2-2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c6|nt|psyck: especially with rags in the doubletons, if it was 5 @d & 4@c, 1@d would be my preferance, here i'd probably open 1N too|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| mc|11|nt|clinch: Was better nand claim|pg|| pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3S854HQ53DAT53CA84,SQ9732HTDKJ2CQ763,SAHAK7642D9874CJT,SKJT6HJ98DQ6CK952|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: apparently after 1@D-1S, the rebids are transfers so woolsey actually showed clubs (an alert if it comes up again)|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: very constructive raise|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: the upper limit (at least)|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: Their wasn't much to the play on 24 but for new players it should be noted that e made every effort to avoid allowing n on lead so another @h couldn't be led through.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: team rosters for all GNT events http://www.acbl.org/nabc/rosters/2012/02/EGNTS/|pg|| pc|h9|nt|ahollan1: and brackets with session scores [eventually] http://www.acbl.org/nabc/brackets/2012/02/gnt/|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: the GNT [grand national teams] is split into 4 flights: Championship, A, B, C|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s7|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3S854HQ53DAT53CA84,SQ9732HTDKJ2CQ763,SAHAK7642D9874CJT,SKJT6HJ98DQ6CK952|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|clinch: 4@h for NS here|pg|| mb|1N!|mb|p|nt|clinch: No issues|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|psyck: going via 1n to show a 3 card limit raise|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|nt|psyck: N will accept with extra shape|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: oh, S simply bid it|pg|| nt|clinch: Well, after the 2@h rebid....|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s4|nt|psyck: yes but S is 4333 & it is a NV game...|pg|| nt|clinch: S's hand looks very good with 2 aces|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|pg|| nt|clinch: Think just bidding 3@h puts too much pressure on partner|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|h4|pc|s6|pg|| nt|psyck: yes there is certainly a fair case for 4 @h|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|clinch: Even if N had closen to bid 2@d, S's hand looks better than a limit raise|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|h6|pc|c9|pc|c8|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o26|st||md|4SATHQT642DAK8C765,SJ953HA73D543CAK8,SKQ86HKJDT97CJT93,S742H985DQJ62CQ42|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N ostensibly 14-16|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: Nice 3nt.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = regular stayman|pg|| pc|d3|nt|ahollan1: side note -- fantunes have system that let's them clarify 4 vs 5 card major later in the auction|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|h4|nt|ahollan1: KnR says south worth 13.00 http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi|pg|| nt|ahollan1: the 2-10s balance out the Queen|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the intermediates in combination make this 3nt good, something that is hard to judge single dummy|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|c3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hT|pc|d4|pc|c9|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h6|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s7|pc|d8|mc|10|pg|| qx|c26|st||md|4SATHQT642DAK8C765,SJ953HA73D543CAK8,SKQ86HKJDT97CJT93,S742H985DQJ62CQ42|sv|b|mb|p|nt|clinch: NS may end in 1NT here|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: Though 3 makes|pg|| mb|p|pc|cA|nt|clinch: and is actually a pretty good contract|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|nt|psyck: maybe N had a 2N bid on 1N with extra intermediaries|pg|| pc|d8|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|d2|pc|c5|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|dT|pc|h9|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|nt|clinch: Definitely a chance for Hurd-Wooldridge in the other room|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| nt|psyck: interesingly other room last deal, S only made a constructive 2@h raise on 1@h|pg|| nt|clinch: That's understandable|pg|| pc|d5|mc|10|pg|| qx|o27|st||md|1SQJ65HQJDAJ942C73,SK74HAT94D73CQJT2,ST93H6DKT865C9654,SA82HK87532DQCAK8|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: successful operation by Wooldridge|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@H tends to deny 4@S|pg|| mb|d|mb|2N|mb|3D|nt|fabsayc: 4@D by martel maybe|pg|| mb|4D|nt|ahollan1: as mentioned by Roland 2N = Truscott or Jordan depending which side of pond you're on|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: it promises a 4fit so the number of trump problem is solved|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Woolsey wishing he could have opened 10-12 NT |pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4@H with a frown = encouraging [reverse facial expressions]|pg|| nt|cc469: .|pg|| nt|fabsayc: is he worth a try now (4@S), i think so but close|pg|| nt|ahollan1: would much prefer @SA and @HK|pg|| mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: or 2425|pg|| mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|6C|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: are we sure that 4@S wasn't kickback?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 6@C in case a 4-4 fit needed for pitch|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2N = 4-fit, limit raise [or better except west is passed hand]|pg|| nt|bigtrain: west has a huge hand opposite 4@D as shortage|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i bet it was|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 3|pg|| nt|bigtrain: most do|pg|| mb|6H|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: 0314|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: how can west be any better hand opposite short @D?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: short @D that was clearly a slam try|pg|| nt|bigtrain: thats why 4@S is rkc|pg|| nt|fabsayc: personally i dont think a passed hand should be allowed to use kickback|pg|| nt|ahollan1: strange to see that Wooldridge passed but Meltzer opened south hand i would expect usually the reverse applies|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c27|st||md|1SQJ65HQJDAJ942C73,SK74HAT94D73CQJT2,ST93H6DKT865C9654,SA82HK87532DQCAK8|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan said sorry|pg|| nt|psyck: they have gotten to 3NT game on 26 last deal other room|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|nt|clinch: A real slam now|pg|| nt|clinch: 6@h cold|pg|| mb|2D|nt|psyck: we are starting to get swingy boards after a slow start|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: Hmm not even a second thought of bidding on by E|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h4|nt|clinch: Certainly should have thought for a bit|pg|| pc|h6|mc|12|nt|psyck: 4@h could have been a preemptive raise|pg|| pg|| qx|o28|st||md|2SAQ96HT96DK763C76,S853HKQ542DACKQ83,SK4HA87DT984CAJT2,SJT72HJ3DQJ52C954|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfb: 4@s was rkc|pg|| nt|bigtrain: how much was the bet roland?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: very weak roland :)|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: So Roland now owes 1829 cokes...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: again 1@H tends to deny 4@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|bigtrain: i'll just add a coke to all those ou already owe me :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: betting coke -- now that is SERIOUS|pg|| pc|d9|nt|fabsayc: up the ante to red bulls|pg|| nt|bigtrain: second straight hand with a singleton though|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dA|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i'm with hedy here|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c7|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 5 loser hand roland|pg|| nt|santyclz2: There is a lot to be said for responding to 1@h when your opponents are vulnerable. It may keep them out of game.|pg|| nt|santyclz2: You can be somewhat less worried when holding 4@s.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but Martel would have to respond 1N [1@S = 5+ suit or 4@S willing to accept raise with 3]|pg|| nt|fabsayc: the real issue to me is you may miss a decent game by passing|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Hurd: sorry|pg|| nt|fabsayc: perhaps the f word has something to do with the decision for some folks|pg|| nt|santyclz2: True, if partner is on a reverse into @ss, you may have a game if pd's 3rd suit is @ds.|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i hate to encourage her... bit i'm with hedy again|pg|| pc|h7|nt|santyclz2: (That's a pretty small target though.)|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|h9|pc|c3|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|d5|nt|fabsayc: now uppercut|pg|| nt|fabsayc: kibitzers like diamond king discard, i tend to agree|pg|| pc|s6|pc|c8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|mc|6|pg|| qx|c28|st||md|2SAQ96HT96DK763C76,S853HKQ542DACKQ83,SK4HA87DT984CAJT2,SJT72HJ3DQJ52C954|sv|n|nt|psyck: maybe if W had means of showing a good raise...|pg|| nt|clinch: Not sure that's so after 1@d-2@d|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|clinch: I expect them to sniff that out in the other room|pg|| mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: it is probably tough to find even if south passes|pg|| mb|p|pc|c7|nt|psyck: they had pewrfect well fitting cards...|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| nt|psyck: unlike this time :)|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c9|nt|clinch: We shall se... my money is on a swing (I don't drink coke)|pg|| pc|h9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s2|nt|psyck: other room S passed as I thought & after 4th seat 1@h, dbl by S & 2NT @h raise by W...|pg|| nt|psyck: so they are indeed on their way...may find it|pg|| nt|psyck: but I still wouldn't bet my money6 on it, maybe a beer :)|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|d5|pc|s6|pg|| nt|clinch: I just think East should have given it some consideration - he passed like lightning|pg|| pc|d6|pc|h5|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|s5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s8|mc|6|pg|| qx|o29|st||md|3S9H9432DAKQJ8CKJ7,ST632HKT8D5CT9632,SAK87HAQJ65D94CA5,SQJ54H7DT7632CQ84|sv|b|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Smith-Meltzer had a toy here|pg|| nt|henryb: that is indeed what happened|pg|| nt|fabsayc: nearly any toy should work|pg|| mb|3N!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3N = 2-tiered splinter but i'm not sure what that means|pg|| mb|4S!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: maybe something like 10-12 OR 16+|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: 4@S kickback (again)|pg|| mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: 5@C is 1-4 (again 0314)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it is very rare for responder to show @D first -- later auctions would deny 4-fit|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so choices were 2N [@H, INV+] or the splinter|pg|| nt|bigtrain: kickback is using the suit/step above the trump suit as RKC to save space|pg|| nt|henryb: Now I would respond 2@d. Very old fashioned, but I like to show a source of tricks|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Couldn't @ds first and a later splinter show a hand too strong for a splinter?|pg|| pc|d2|nt|bigtrain: its the 21st century henry|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think we blame Marty Bergen for the philosophy -- not since marty bergen -- if you don't show immediate 4-fit, you don't have one|pg|| nt|henryb: You keep telling me that Walter|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: from the department of repeating redundancy|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|s4|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c29|st||md|3S9H9432DAKQJ8CKJ7,ST632HKT8D5CT9632,SAK87HAQJ65D94CA5,SQJ54H7DT7632CQ84|sv|b|nt|clinch: Next time on that board E might pass 1@h|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|nt|clinch: Here's another slam - very biddable|pg|| nt|clinch: In fact, I'm prepared to bet a brewery that it will be bid|pg|| nt|psyck: yes they are bidding it|pg|| nt|psyck: of course they had a easier start to the bidding other room...|pg|| nt|clinch: I was meaning this board :)|pg|| nt|psyck: aah :)|pg|| mb|2S!|an|GF !H|nt|psyck: yes, certainly biddable|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C!|an|better than min|nt|psyck: both have enough extras|pg|| nt|psyck: so will find a key card missing & settle in 6|pg|| mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5D|an|1430|mb|p|mb|6H|nt|clinch: and so it proved|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|pc|dA|nt|clinch: Seemed a while before N passed - of course would make 7 if in it|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hQ|mc|12|nt|clinch: But here prudently setting for 12 tricks|pg|| nt|psyck: yes no risk after @d lead|pg|| pg|| qx|o30|st||md|4SAKJ3H842DA32C972,S4HAQTDJ8764CJT84,S965HK65DK95CA653,SQT872HJ973DQTCKQ|sv|o|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 0314 seems to be USA expert standard -- when playing Kickback|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: Eddie Kantar had blurb in July or June ACBL Bulletin about mixing use of 0314 / 1430|pg|| mb|p|nt|henryb: When 3 is more likely than 1, 0314 is clearly better|pg|| nt|ahollan1: depends on whether stronger or weaker hand is asking|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|nt|bigtrain: meckwell its fairly random which hand asks|pg|| mb|2S|nt|fabsayc: kantar has caused a lot of confusion :)|pg|| mb|d|nt|santyclz2: This could be quite expensive.|pg|| mb|2N|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|nt|santyclz2: This looks like the dread "Going for a number against air."|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 2@C should be majors, double for all suits|pg|| mb|r|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: how many DBL cards in each bidding box??|pg|| pc|d5|nt|fabsayc: never enough, i steal from other tables|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Closed Room on final board of the half [32]|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|henryb: Nice to see some people have penalty doubles in their arsenal|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2010s a very retro decade|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i have to disagree with hedy this time :)|pg|| nt|bigtrain: guess there goes the partnershp :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Martel opens up USA Today|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| nt|henryb: Walter, I thought penalty doubles had been abandoned with the change of Millenium|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|nt|bigtrain: they have... at least until someone makes a card X|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pg|| nt|bigtrain: and rightly so|pg|| nt|henryb: USA Today is a newspaper|pg|| nt|bigtrain: much more useful as an aid to competive bidding|pg|| nt|santyclz2: Some claim...|pg|| nt|henryb: USA is a magazine|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Bridge Today is a defunct magazine but it had some good stuff when it was published|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|c4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c8|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d7|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|mc|8|pg|| qx|c30|st||md|4SAKJ3H842DA32C972,S4HAQTDJ8764CJT84,S965HK65DK95CA653,SQT872HJ973DQTCKQ|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2C!|an|majors|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|clinch: Not a very lovely 2@c bid there I would say|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: But had a good effect for EW|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Polowan: 2NT? Meltzer: we don't have an agreement|pg|| nt|clinch: Maybe 2NT interpreted as conventional?|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| nt|clinch: 2NT would make on a @s lead if Smith ran lead to his 9|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|nt|clinch: This, however, has no hope|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h6|pg|| nt|psyck: makes a case for getting into the auction on any excuse|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|nt|clinch: The case would be reversed if EW had to toil in 2@h |pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|nt|psyck: yeah, i don't deny 2@c was ugly :)|pg|| pc|cT|pc|s6|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pc|s7|pc|c9|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o31|st||md|1S96HQ9874DQ64CQJ4,S43HK2DAJT92CK952,SKQ75HAJT53DK8CT7,SAJT82H6D753CA863|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: i wonder if the defense would take extra trick vs 2@DX|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 5+ unbal or 4441@C|pg|| mb|1S|nt|fabsayc: do transfer rebids apply to this auction?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: 3 hands have ajtxx|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: abd they all bid them|pg|| nt|ahollan1: without @H overcall transfer rebids by opener with ... i'm not sure|pg|| nt|ahollan1: maybe 1@D can be any 4@D(441) so don't quote me|pg|| nt|santyclz2: 5 trump but incredibly soft values. How many @hs to bid?|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 4@H for me|pg|| nt|fabsayc: subtract 1|pg|| nt|bigtrain: would any bid 3@S though|pg|| nt|fabsayc: so 3 for me|pg|| nt|santyclz2: The specs are evenly divided between 2 and 3 with no bids for 4.|pg|| mb|3D|nt|bigtrain: @S should be handled differently than @h|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|nt|bigtrain: mixed raise|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|fabsayc: dbl=i am stuck|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 8-9 dummy points and 4+fit|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: dummy points = HCP + distribution points [because known fit]|pg|| mb|p|pc|d3|nt|ahollan1: seems like this might work since no entry to dummy for @H finesse|pg|| nt|fabsayc: diamond 3 adding to confusion|pg|| nt|bigtrain: i think 4 or 5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@S was 5+|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other table DBL probably 4 or 5 --- with 2-something [2@H?] to show 6+|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i first saw that treatment from Italians|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|mc|8|pg|| qx|c31|st||md|1S96HQ9874DQ64CQJ4,S43HK2DAJT92CK952,SKQ75HAJT53DK8CT7,SAJT82H6D753CA863|sv|n|mb|p|nt|clinch: Couple more IMPs to Larsen on 28 when E chose (correctly in my view) to pass 1@h|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1H|mb|d!|an|4 or 5 !S|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: He'd do well to pass here too|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|psyck: 4m ok sac nv|pg|| mb|4C|nt|clinch: 3@h might fail as declarer can't get to dummy for a trump finesse|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: true but not easy to defend & they may give entry|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| nt|psyck: the 3rd & 4th session will start 30 mins earlier than scheduled|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|d3|pc|h7|pc|hK|pg|| nt|clinch: In truth I think they'd defend it right, but we shall never know|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|h5|pc|d7|pc|hQ|nt|psyck: they are in 2NT by West, doubled, on 30 (where South played in 3@c-1 here)|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pg|| nt|psyck: will go for -2 or so i suppose|pg|| pc|s8|pc|cQ|mc|8|nt|psyck: oh, bidding still on, but will go for a number whereever they land|pg|| pg|| qx|o32|st||md|2SA3HKQJT875DQ75C6,SKQJ652HDK83CQJT9,ST874H93DAJ9CA842,S9HA642DT642CK753|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: never a doubt cough cough|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 90 minute break then 32 boards to complete the Semi-Finals|pg|| nt|ritong: better cover your throat, al|pg|| nt|ritong: kit might go for it|pg|| nt|fabsayc: 4@H|pg|| mb|4H|mb|4S|mb|5H|mb|d|nt|fabsayc: kit has had enough of the scarey doubles|pg|| nt|bigtrain: flirting with 800|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: good final 2 for Woolsey-Martel|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| nt|bigtrain: looks like a squeeze makes|pg|| pc|h8|pc|s2|pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: except for 2010 when Walter's team won, this event has been owned by either District 21 [Larsen] or District 9 [Spector]|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: yes -- probably an over simplification|pg|| nt|bigtrain: yes|pg|| pc|hT|pc|s5|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| nt|bigtrain: all|pg|| nt|bigtrain: geographic|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Jan Martel says we'll see this match in the evening sessions at halftime Spector +42|pg|| nt|bigtrain: this is championship flight|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hJ|nt|ahollan1: rosters for all flights http://www.acbl.org/nabc/rosters/2012/02/EGNTS/|pg|| nt|bigtrain: there are 4 levels... championship (open) A/B/C which are limited by number of masterpoints held|pg|| pc|d8|nt|ahollan1: many of the individual players in the Championship Semi-Finals have more monsterpoints than other flight TEAMS|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Meckstroth probably has more points than other flights semi-finals combined|pg|| pc|hK|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: this event is restricted to USA|pg|| pc|c6|nt|bigtrain: canada has a few districts in the acbl|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Canada has it's own analogous event|pg|| pc|c8|nt|bigtrain: but most of the 25 are in the US|pg|| pc|c5|pc|h5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s7|pc|c7|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i may be wrong -- possibly Canada plays in this as well as their own GNT|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|s8|pc|cK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|bigtrain: the residency requirements are frequently changing|pg|| pc|s6|mc|11|nt|fabsayc: district 19 is alaska, bc, and washington state|pg|| pg|| qx|c32|st||md|2SA3HKQJT875DQ75C6,SKQJ652HDK83CQJT9,ST874H93DAJ9CA842,S9HA642DT642CK753|sv|e|nt|psyck: 3@dx it is|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|clinch: May only be -1|pg|| mb|2H|mb|2S|nt|clinch: but still a swing to tighten the match|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|clinch: NS making 4@h here |pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|d|nt|psyck: N will want to bid now|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|psyck: double seems to express frustration at the bidding here|pg|| nt|clinch: Hmm.... that double isn't my cup of tea|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s2|pc|h9|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|s5|pg|| nt|psyck: can W be squeezed for an o/t?|pg|| nt|clinch: yes|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|cA|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|h8|pc|cT|pg|| pc|hK|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|cQ|pc|s8|nt|clinch: S will have to read the position...may settle for 10|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| nt|psyck: true|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|d8|pg|| mc|10|nt|clinch: and did|pg|| nt|psyck: thanks everyone|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: Thanks Peter and Krishna :)|pg|| nt|clinch: Thanks :)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: next round will be 4:30 local time|pg|| nt|psyck: 1:45 hours from now|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: roughly an hour and 45 mins from now|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfc: See you all later!|pg|| pg||