[pescetom]

MPs, NS vul.
You are dealer in E. S is an expert, N is unknown to you.

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North's methods seem a bit primitive, but she confidently bids to slam.
You don't ask the meaning of 5♦ to avoid accusations of UI or asking on behalf of partner.
Partner's 3♥ is just competitive and does not promise values.
Your call now over 6♠ ?

[kuhchung]

passsssssssssssssss

[smerriman]

How can there be any option but pass?

[manudude03]

7H deserves to be 1100 in a phantom.

[Tramticket]

There must be some reason for asking this question? But really??? Why can't partner have some defence? Why depart from the usual advice to leave things to partner after a pre-empt? It's not as if you have anything extra (extreme shape).

[helene_t]

Bonus points for a lead-misdirecting 7♣ just to make sure partner doesn't lead a heart in case they bid 7♠

A lightner dbl is also cute, will ask partner to lead a diamond for you to ruff.

[johnu]

 pescetom, on 2018-August-16, 09:18, said:

Your call now over 6♠ ?

This could be a legitimate problem if you gave the West hand and asked whether a sacrifice was a possibility.

As it is, you have a ordinary weak 2 bid which you have already shown, and if there is no heart void, a defensive trick..

[ahydra]

At IMPs I would insta-pass, even if 6S is making you're not gaining much by sacking, compared to the risk that partner has a stray King or something and 6S goes off.

At MPs it's a bit closer. If you can trust opponents to have their bid AND the field to back you up, you might go for it. But it's not clear that either of those are the case, and partner is still in the picture. Pass is probably safest.

ahydra

[FelicityR]

Pass. If you were going to make any 'silly' bid - apologies for being slightly rude - 5♥ after Blackwood would be equally bad as 7♥ now but it stands a chance of disrupting the opponents if they haven't got DOP1 on their bidding card.

[helene_t]

 ahydra, on 2018-August-16, 20:11, said:

At MPs it's a bit closer.

I think you need to leave it to partner. If you must sacrifice in direct seat after having preempted, then make the agreement that double means "I really want to bid 7 but I show this by doubling just in case you wanted to double 6♠ regardless".

This might be justified with something like
♠-
♥KQJT9x
♦QJT9
♣xxx

With the actual hand, you have no reason not to leave it to partner, though. If anything, with no singleton and with an ace you have less o/d than partner will hope for.

Another issue:
Playing with GIB where there is no such thing as partnership harmony, you can do anything. But playing with a human, you really have to pass here. Partner is likely to get annoyed if you don't respect their captainship.

[vladesch]

I always like to take an optomistic view about opposition contracts that have had to deal with my pre-empt.
That is, I like to make the assumption that my pre-empt has disrupted their bidding enough times to sit back and rely on them being in the wrong contract.

in this case, N/S have hardly reached their slam scientifically and it could well be wrong.
So just pass.
For all you know they might be making 7.

In any case I would consider it my partners decision since I have no more and no less than I have bid.
Partner might be quite happy defending it.

[bilalz]

This must be a trick question but I can't find one, except that maybe it was your partner that made the preempt and then sacrificed in the grand or it was indeed you who made the preempt and P was angry at you for not sacrificing in the direct seat and you want to make your partner look silly with a unanimous poll on bbo.

[msjennifer]

PASS.I have already described my hand and there is nothing more ,.I shall leave it to partner.

[steve2005]

Just open 7♥ next time.
I cant believe 7 is even a consideration.

[kontoleon]

Clear pass . 6s has 1430 points you have 6 tricks in H so down 7 was 1700 ( if parterre had K h or fitness work) so if you had one more sure trick ok I said yes and if opponent had void H bids 7s and made it is gg but here is 100% pass

In fact partner know your full hand 6 h with at least 2 out of 3 top (usually) so if he had ace and kH so he had change.to hit 7h So PASS

[RD350LC]

 pescetom, on 2018-August-16, 09:18, said:

MPs, NS vul.
You are dealer in E. S is an expert, N is unknown to you.

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North's methods seem a bit primitive, but she confidently bids to slam.
You don't ask the meaning of 5♦ to avoid accusations of UI or asking on behalf of partner.
Partner's 3♥ is just competitive and does not promise values.
Your call now over 6♠ ?

PASS!!!
There are two things I never do (and never is a strong word in bridge) and that is 1) Pass a forcing bid, and 2) repeat a pre-empt.
I have absolutely no reason to bid here. Partner is still there.

[rmnka447]

Pass. You have a flat 8 loser hand and there's no reasons to believe partner can cover very many of them. Where you might think even about sacking is if your hand is very
distributional and your likely to be down just a few tricks. Possibly something like

♠ X
♥ AQJ10xx
♦ xxxxx
♣ x

instead of your actual hand. But even then you want to be pretty confident 6 ♠ will make which you can't be on this auction.

[pescetom]

Thanks for the thoughtful replies, and sorry if the poll result is so predictable. No trick question, I really did bid 7♥ and of course I regretted it even before the bidding card hit the table.
With such an undistributional hand already described in a pre-empt I would have normally passed the decision over to partner without question, but I didn't trust this partner and was irritated by the opponent and I bid on a silly impulse.

I raised the hand here anyway partly because I thought that discussion of such a situation would be instructive for I&A (people deserve some certainties) and partly because there is an interesting twist to the story: 7♥ doubled went down only 5, which was the official PAR for the hand.

Here is the full hand:

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On closer inspection, 6♠ (also 6♦) only makes if played by North, which would have required fairly sophisticated bidding over a pre-empt (2♥ in our case but at many tables 2♦ Multicolor).

Out of 63 tables, it appears that at 10 tables NS went down 1 (presumably in slam) and only 3 made 5♠, nobody making 6♠. Making the PAR was thus a resounding bottom all the same

[aawk]

Rule number one : never ever bid a weak hand twice (2♥ sold your hand) it's your partners job to decide where to go.

The exception on this rule could be holding a 6-5 pattern with no aces and partner gave a non forcing raise in your suit.

[mikeh]

South is not an expert. No expert would overcall 2S. It was idiotic. Not quite in the same league as 7H, but close