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#1 User is offline   Healheart 

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Posted 2018-August-03, 04:59

Dealer East

Your Hand in North

106
D86
96
AKQ987

Auction: E S W N
1D 1S x ?

What would you bid and why?
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Posted 2018-August-03, 05:25

D=Q ? Almost certainly 2, but I need to know what constitutes an overcall for you, there's a massive difference here if it can be AQxxx and out or guarantees quite a bit more.

Why ? I want to tell partner I have values, a club suit and <3 spades.
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Posted 2018-August-03, 05:58

This Board was played with an unknown partner, so I don´t know what he expects for this overcall.

And Yes D is the Queen, sorry.
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Posted 2018-August-04, 01:03

View PostHealheart, on 2018-August-03, 04:59, said:

Dealer East

Your Hand in North

106
D86
96
AKQ987

Auction: E S W N
1D 1S x ?

What would you bid and why?


3 The quality of the suit justifies the double jump

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Posted 2018-August-04, 02:34

View PostPhilG007, on 2018-August-04, 01:03, said:

3 The quality of the suit justifies the double jump

If you are playing with an unknown partner and you don’t know how strong his/her overcall is, it is equally unlikely they won’t know what your jump response means. Weak? Intermediate? Fit jump?

2C looks like the obvious response and is less likely to be misinterpreted.
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Posted 2018-August-04, 03:06

View PostPhilG007, on 2018-August-04, 01:03, said:

3 The quality of the suit justifies the double jump


Which for many people shows clubs and spades
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Posted 2018-August-04, 07:53

View PostPhilG007, on 2018-August-04, 01:03, said:

3 The quality of the suit justifies the double jump

a double jump to just 3? what will you single jump to?
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Posted 2018-August-04, 08:08

In general I consider that an opening bid by them and a double on my right means a partscore hand until further notice. That double on my right also means that partner will be on lead 90%+ of the time IF we defend and a club over, spade through is likely our best foot forward.

That means a 2 bid followed by 3 if indicated on the next round and defend at the 3 level unless partner has a better idea.
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Posted 2018-August-04, 08:42

View PostHealheart, on 2018-August-03, 04:59, said:

Dealer East

Your Hand in North

106
D86
96
AKQ987

Auction: E S W N
1D 1S x ?

What would you bid and why?


I bid 2C. Why? Because I have good clubs and I want to compete.
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Posted 2018-August-04, 10:09

My bid was Redouble to show 2 cards support in spades and values. I feared we could get to high if we have a missfit and partner has only minimun values. Also the redouble pressures the opps to bid again.

What do you think? Is this completely unreasonable?

Here is the Handviewer link
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The result was ok i guess, but my partner kicked me after this game. Please tell me what you think.

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Posted 2018-August-04, 10:15

View PostHealheart, on 2018-August-04, 10:09, said:

My bid was Redouble to show 2 cards support in spades and values. I feared we could get to high if we have a missfit and partner has only minimun values. Also the redouble pressures the opps to bid again.

What do you think? Is this completely unreasonable?

Here is the Handviewer link
http://tinyurl.com/y7vbdfxu

The result was ok i guess, but my partner kicked me after this game. Please tell me what you think.

Thanks and have a nice day


It's not totally unreasonable, but to most people it doesn't show that, it's a hand more like a 1444 14 count that is looking to take a penalty or a full on support XX with 3 spades.
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Posted 2018-August-04, 10:41

West’s double of 1S is fine but I can’t agree with any of the other bids. The 1S overcall isn’t too bad, although I’m not sure it is wise opposite an unfamiliar partner who might expect something like opening values. As for the other bids.....
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Posted 2018-August-04, 15:54

Typically 1x - dble - rdbl shows 10+ pts and (likely) no fit.

This situation is similar but both Mike Lawrence and Marty Bergen in Points Schmoints wrote that redouble is an error with any offensive hand that DOES NOT WISH TO DOUBLE THEM (or have partner double them) somewhere. Your hand has 1 direction, clubs.
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Posted 2018-August-04, 16:33

View PostHealheart, on 2018-August-04, 10:09, said:

My bid was Redouble to show 2 cards support in spades and values. I feared we could get to high if we have a missfit and partner has only minimun values. Also the redouble pressures the opps to bid again.

What do you think? Is this completely unreasonable?

Here is the Handviewer link
http://tinyurl.com/y7vbdfxu

The result was ok i guess, but my partner kicked me after this game. Please tell me what you think.

Thanks and have a nice day

I am perplexed as it seems you are confusing actions as a responder to an opening bid and a 4th seat action with a partner who overcalled. I don't know of any standard treatment for this redouble - but there may be one that is new and with which I am unfamiliar.

The thing to realize is that partner's range is huge - from maybe KQJxx and out to AQJxx, Kx, AKx, xxx.
Bidding 2/1 shows some values in response to this range - doesn't take a redboule.
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Posted 2018-August-04, 21:51

2C is the most natural bid here when playing with an unknown player.It is less likely to be misunderstood.We play 2C as forcing for one round and 3C as WJO,.
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Posted 2018-August-05, 02:22

View PostCyberyeti, on 2018-August-04, 10:15, said:

It's not totally unreasonable, but to most people it doesn't show that, it's a hand more like a 1444 14 count that is looking to take a penalty or a full on support XX with 3 spades.


I would expect XX to show Hx in partner’s suit to show that it is safe to lead against NT.
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Posted 2018-August-05, 02:39

View Postmsjennifer, on 2018-August-04, 21:51, said:

2C is the most natural bid here when playing with an unknown player.It is less likely to be misunderstood.We play 2C as forcing for one round and 3C as WJO,.


Not sure that forcing for one round is best here, but I expect the opponents to bid more and let us off the hook.
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Posted 2018-August-05, 03:44

View PostVampyr, on 2018-August-05, 02:22, said:

I would expect XX to show Hx in partner’s suit to show that it is safe to lead against NT.


Another perfectly good agreement but not one I'd consider standard
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Posted 2018-August-06, 16:03

I'd bid 2 followed by 3 next.

You'd got a hand that's about and there's no reason not to bid them.

Also, the comment that someone made about your LHO likely being declarer if the opponents get the contract is quite apropos. A out by partner followed by a switch at the right time could get the defense off to a good start.
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