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Double of 1NT should be for takeout

#1 User is offline   wbartley 

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Posted 2018-June-15, 10:43

Just play bridge robots. Human South.




First of all, this shouldn't be a takeout double. This double implies that South has clubs and was trapping over the 1 opener. Secondly, the description of the double says, 3+; 3+; 3+. So, why is GIB bidding 2H on xxxx when it has AQxxx of diamonds?

Title of post is wrong. Can't believe I did that. It's supposed to be, "Double of 1NT shouldn't be for takeout."
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Posted 2018-June-15, 13:17

View Postwbartley, on 2018-June-15, 10:43, said:

Just play bridge robots. Human South.



First of all, this shouldn't be a takeout double. This double implies that South has clubs and was trapping over the 1 opener. Secondly, the description of the double says, 3+; 3+; 3+. So, why is GIB bidding 2H on xxxx when it has AQxxx of diamonds?

what did blurb say about double?
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Posted 2018-June-15, 13:39

View Postwbartley, on 2018-June-15, 10:43, said:

Just play bridge robots. Human South.



First of all, this shouldn't be a takeout double. This double implies that South has clubs and was trapping over the 1 opener. Secondly, the description of the double says, 3+; 3+; 3+. So, why is GIB bidding 2H on xxxx when it has AQxxx of diamonds?



really???????
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2018-June-15, 14:50

...isn't it just a balancing takeout double, made with less values than an immediate one? As for the robot's response, well, that's Gib being Gib.
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Posted 2018-June-15, 15:15

View Posteagles123, on 2018-June-15, 13:39, said:

really???????


Yes. Really. The double is far more useful as business. Partner can pull it with a poor hand and a biddable suit. At total points scoring methods, there's no reason to compete in the balancing seat with a hand that couldn't make an initial takeout double of 1. Just defend. Look at it this way. If your side can make 2 of a major, what are the chances that 1NT is making on the lead of partner's better major suit?
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Posted 2018-June-16, 04:29

View Postwbartley, on 2018-June-15, 15:15, said:

Yes. Really. The double is far more useful as business. Partner can pull it with a poor hand and a biddable suit. At total points scoring methods, there's no reason to compete in the balancing seat with a hand that couldn't make an initial takeout double of 1. Just defend. Look at it this way. If your side can make 2 of a major, what are the chances that 1NT is making on the lead of partner's better major suit?


One problem I see is lefty could have upto 10 HCP. GUBBO does not redouble but there could be trouble. In fact it might even bid 2NT LOL
I think GUBBO may have bid 2H since it's righty may have diamonds.

However depends on agreement as well. Is why asked what is definition of the double in bidding blurb.
over 1c-1s-1nt-p-p dbl is penalty. I recall 10 years or so ago I doubled and GUBBO led its own suit LOL
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Posted 2018-June-17, 17:18

Responder has denied a 4-card major but not necessarily a 4-card diamonds. Maybe the sims says that hearts is likely to play better than diamonds. Or maybe the double is allowed with 4=4=1=4 or similar?
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Posted 2018-June-18, 05:13

Here is another one. The two robots apparently don't agree on the meaning of the double

http://tinyurl.com/yd825om9
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Posted 2018-June-18, 05:39

View Posthelene_t, on 2018-June-18, 05:13, said:

Here is another one. The two robots apparently don't agree on the meaning of the double


This one is almost opposite, though, here the opponents first bid a major and after the double partner decides to show his .
The first double would show 4-card for many of us, but not for GIB according to the explanation given and the subsequent bid of his fellow robot.
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Posted 2018-June-25, 10:47

It's perfectly normal to play this double is for penalty.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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