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#1 User is offline   jammen 

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Posted 2018-April-22, 16:43

The bot opens 1 first chair, I respond 1 on KQJ98-8-AQ65-Q98. The bot answers with 1nt and I have to pick a bid. 2 8+ total points, 3 bar bid 6-4 6 total points, 3 not forcing. The only forcing bid is 2 described as New Minor Forcing, 4+,11+ points. Except a minor has never been bid so how can it be New Minor??
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Posted 2018-April-22, 16:54

Not quite sure what your question is. NMF applies over 1 - 1? In fact, standard is to play both 2 and 2 as NMF, though GIB only uses 2: https://en.wikipedia...w_minor_forcing
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Posted 2018-April-22, 19:36

A minor can be new even when neither is old.
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Posted 2018-April-23, 09:31

Well, I guess I am showing my age as I quit playing tournament bridge in the 70's. The original New Minor Forcing only applied after opener had bid a minor, hence the "new". We did play 2 as artificial after 1-1-1nt which was long before Gazilli, but it was never considered to be part of New Minor Forcing.
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