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what do you bid if anything ?

#1 User is offline   sirjimmy 

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Posted 2018-April-18, 08:08

Mps Nil all

P 3 4 ??

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ATxxx
x
QT97xxx


What do you bid ?
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Posted 2018-April-18, 08:35

it's not even tempting to bid anything.
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Posted 2018-April-18, 12:09

Can't really see any reason to bid here.
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Posted 2018-April-18, 12:30

Of course I bid (it is my turn): PASS 😃
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Posted 2018-April-18, 12:37

The question should be what to lead.
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Posted 2018-April-18, 12:41

I'm guessing from the fact that this was posted, partner had something like x(x), void(x), AKxxxxx, Jxxx and you were making 6 when the clubs were 1-1, but I would never bid
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Posted 2018-April-18, 13:26

PASS

IF lho was not a passed hand it might be worthwhile to consider 5c (solely to try and make it tougher on the opps to get to slam) just in case partner has a fit but it is VERY risky. Since lho has already passed the odds of the opps getting to slam border on nonexistent and that means any venture on your part is almost certainly doomed to big numbers vs a max of say -480.
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Posted 2018-April-18, 17:36

Misfit city! Pass for sure.

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Posted 2018-April-18, 19:47

PASS
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Posted 2018-April-19, 00:09

View Postapollo1201, on 2018-April-18, 12:30, said:

Of course I bid (it is my turn): PASS 😃

[pedantry] PASS is not a bid. [/pedantry]
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Posted 2018-April-19, 00:41

The opponents have AT LEAST 10 spades.

I think this hand really needs to be fed into a simulator to give us a good answer.

Advantagees of 5C are many. Opponents are now left guessing with RKC gone when they are in slam zone. Opponents might bid 5S and go down. Opponents might double and miss slam or not beat me enough.

Tbe disadvantage, and it is a big one, is going down 500+ when the field is -450.

Because matchpoints events favor those who tend to have high variance results, I think this is a great spot to bid 5C, though a simulation could convince me that I am insane.

As for WHY you want variance.... A bunch of 7 out of 12 scores is great for low overalls at best. Mix in some 0's and you are average. Min in a few tops and you are in contention to win. This is far less valuable in a weak field, but in a strong field, creating swings that are at least actions that could be right can mean higher (and lower) scores.

In imps this is even more interesting. -500 is no longer something I am strongly averse to. Am I really going down 3+ a lot? Do I really think we are beating 4S very often? But I love taking away RKC and a 5C cue bid. Pushing them to 5S is worth quite a lot too.
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Posted 2018-April-19, 01:04

Down 3 in 5C is not the nightmare scenario - you're not going to love repeated spade leads.
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Posted 2018-April-19, 01:21

As everyone else said 'Pass' is the only sensible option plus if you do bid the opponents may find that slam that otherwise they would miss. The 4 bidder's partner, who's already passed, doesn't know whether the 4 bid has been made on strength and/or distribution and is hardly going to five level except if you encourage him or her.
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Posted 2018-April-19, 01:30

View PostMrAce, on 2018-April-18, 19:47, said:

PASS


Surely "Pass" is sufficient? Isn't the usual agreement to reserve PASS for situations where partner might bid again? :P
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Posted 2018-April-19, 05:43

not even tempted to say anything other than PASS
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Posted 2018-April-19, 06:39

pass.I do not like arguing" if partner has this or partner has that"No conjectures and a straightforward Pass.
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Posted 2018-April-19, 13:10

View Postsirjimmy, on 2018-April-18, 08:08, said:

Mps Nil all

P 3 4 ??

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ATxxx
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QT97xxx


What do you bid ?

I have three choices. They are pass, Pass and PASS!!!
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Posted 2018-April-19, 13:16

I have just one choice. PASS
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Posted 2018-April-19, 15:53

If someone bid 5 diamonds I would commend their guy feel hoping that XXx of diamonds means partner MUST have a singleton... but if you concede 1100 teammates won't reward you!
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Posted 2018-April-19, 18:35

Why would I want to push my opponents into a 7 spade contract that makes. Bidding 5 clubs helps the opponents does not hurt them.
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