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6-6 in the majors after they open 3N gambling.... AQJT965 KQT542 void A

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Posted 2018-April-15, 19:39

IMPs, red vs. white. RHO deals and opens 3N showing a solid minor with 7+.

AQJT96 KQT542 void A

Any thoughts on how to bid this hand?

Edit: Delete extra spade pip.
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Posted 2018-April-15, 21:17

5D - Exclusion KC for both majors. Switch minors 5C - Exclusion KC for Both Majors.
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Posted 2018-April-15, 21:42

View Poststeve2005, on 2018-April-15, 21:17, said:

5D - Exclusion KC for both majors. Switch minors 5C - Exclusion KC for Both Majors.


How will pard know that (3N) - 5-minor is exclusion KC and not just to play?
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Posted 2018-April-15, 22:32

It helps if you play some sort of defence against Gambling.
I recommend Multi Landy, so bid 4C to show both majors.
If partner makes simple preference (4M), you can ask for key cards
because partner's possible key card(s) is not going to be the
ace of diamonds. If partner asks for longer major with 4D, jump to 5S.
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Posted 2018-April-16, 00:32

View Postkreivi68, on 2018-April-15, 22:32, said:

It helps if you play some sort of defence against Gambling.
I recommend Multi Landy, so bid 4C to show both majors.
If partner makes simple preference (4M), you can ask for key cards
because partner's possible key card(s) is not going to be the
ace of diamonds. If partner asks for longer major with 4D, jump to 5S.

It makes sense to play the same defence to 3NT as to 1NT, assuming you are able to show a range of single-suiter and two-suiter hand types by doing so. Double should include all strong balanced or strong three-suiter hands, with double followed by double showing the balanced type (or that the opponents' suit is not the one in which you are short) while double followed by pass shows the other three suits.
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Posted 2018-April-16, 05:57

X.

Should reveal openers minor, given that it is hard to see, that they are really trying to sit it out.
If Opener reveals his minor, ..., keep cue bidding.

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PS: I would not bother discussing a special defence against 3NT, the bid does not come up.
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Posted 2018-April-16, 07:50

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2018-April-16, 05:57, said:

PS: I would not bother discussing a special defence against 3NT, the bid does not come up.


Gambling is very infrequent, true. But the idea is to have meta defence that works also against
3NT preempt with either minor. And that is quite common.
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Posted 2018-April-16, 08:47

View Postkreivi68, on 2018-April-16, 07:50, said:

Gambling is very infrequent, true. But the idea is to have meta defence that works also against
3NT preempt with either minor. And that is quite common.

And it can be used against a 2NT opening showing either minor.
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Posted 2018-April-16, 09:04

View Poststeve2005, on 2018-April-15, 21:17, said:

5D - Exclusion KC for both majors. Switch minors 5C - Exclusion KC for Both Majors.

Say partner holds K A63 9542 J7654, how do things proceed?
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Posted 2018-April-16, 13:32

View Postfoobar, on 2018-April-15, 19:39, said:

IMPs, red vs. white. RHO deals and opens 3N showing a solid minor with 7+.

AQJT965 KQT542 void A

Any thoughts on how to bid this hand?


You can't bid the hand as it is 7-6 in the majors.
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Posted 2018-April-16, 15:47

Agree with others that you should play your 1N defense here.
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Posted 2018-April-16, 21:48

View Postfoobar, on 2018-April-15, 21:42, said:

How will pard know that (3N) - 5-minor is exclusion KC and not just to play?

Hopefully you had foresight to put it on your card :lol:
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Posted 2018-April-16, 22:53

Thanks for the responses.

The bidding at our table was a little comical, but who can argue with the result :D?

(3N) - X - (5) - 6 - (P) - 6 - (7) - X - (P) - 7 - AP

Pard held:

K9xx
AJxx
xxx
Kx

My X was a poor choice because they might sit for it and it can easily make. Pard's 6 was bold but very well judged, but I was still debating the choice of the X when it came around to me, and should have bid the grand. 7 was a great sac, until I finally got it right on the third try.

In retrospect, perhaps 4N (ostensibly showing a powerful two suiter) might be a better bid with my hand.
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Posted 2018-April-17, 15:04

View Postgordontd, on 2018-April-16, 00:32, said:

It makes sense to play the same defence to 3NT as to 1NT, assuming you are able to show a range of single-suiter and two-suiter hand types by doing so. Double should include all strong balanced or strong three-suiter hands, with double followed by double showing the balanced type (or that the opponents' suit is not the one in which you are short) while double followed by pass shows the other three suits.


An old fashioned defence to 1NT is to play a 2NT overcall as a game forcing unspecified 2-suiter. Perhaps (3NT)-4NT should be a slam forcing unspecified 2-suiter.
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