BBO Discussion Forums: Good news for Bridge Cheats! - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Good news for Bridge Cheats! Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere...

#1 User is offline   Elianna 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,407
  • Joined: 2004-August-29
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Switzerland

Posted 2018-February-28, 15:46

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, I'm not a prolific BBO forums reader anymore.

But I saw this on BBC, and thought that it was worth sharing:

http://www.bbc.com/n...xts-at-mwc-2018
My addiction to Mario Bros #3 has come back!
2

#2 User is offline   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,674
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2018-February-28, 16:34

View PostElianna, on 2018-February-28, 15:46, said:

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, I'm not a prolific BBO forums reader anymore.

But I saw this on BBC, and thought that it was worth sharing:

http://www.bbc.com/n...xts-at-mwc-2018

Bad news for the real cheats, though. They've already custom-built something like this on their own, and now that the buggers can join the fun, the bridge authorities may finally decide to do something about it...
Obviously we have a recall bias in favour of the assholes. -helene_t
3

#3 User is offline   MrAce 

  • VIP Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,953
  • Joined: 2009-November-14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Houston, TX

Posted 2018-February-28, 18:55

View PostElianna, on 2018-February-28, 15:46, said:

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, I'm not a prolific BBO forums reader anymore.

But I saw this on BBC, and thought that it was worth sharing:

http://www.bbc.com/n...xts-at-mwc-2018


Richard (Hrothgar) and I warned people for this about 2-3 years ago.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





0

#4 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,617
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2018-February-28, 19:02

View PostMrAce, on 2018-February-28, 18:55, said:

Richard (Hrothgar) and I warned people for this about 2-3 years ago.


I was warning about this back during the race cars scandal....
Alderaan delenda est
0

#5 User is offline   steve2005 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,673
  • Joined: 2010-April-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Hamilton, Canada
  • Interests:Bridge duh!

Posted 2018-February-28, 23:05

Makes you wonder why ACBL so worried about cell phones. Anyone serious about cheating would use something like this not a cell phone.
Sarcasm is a state of mind
0

#6 User is offline   barmar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Admin
  • Posts: 17,818
  • Joined: 2004-August-21
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2018-March-01, 09:41

View Poststeve2005, on 2018-February-28, 23:05, said:

Makes you wonder why ACBL so worried about cell phones. Anyone serious about cheating would use something like this not a cell phone.

Because practically everyone already has a cellphone.

#7 User is offline   pescetom 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,084
  • Joined: 2014-February-18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Italy

Posted 2018-March-01, 11:30

Using a SIM based system does not seem like a great idea: it's overkill for cheating at the same table and too easy to block if in different rooms or at a high level tournament.

Just take a pair of trousers and sew in some pressure sensitive textile at knee level and a silent vibrator in the groin area, wire both to a class 1 Bluetooth transmitter (good for 100m) in a pocket with a false bottom, and you're done. Now every time your partner presses his knees together you get a tingle in the groin, and vice versa. Short taps for high honours, a longer tap to request a suit change, u.s.w. Effective, practical and cheap.
0

#8 User is offline   barmar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Admin
  • Posts: 17,818
  • Joined: 2004-August-21
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2018-March-02, 09:35

Naked bridge?

#9 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,617
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2018-March-02, 09:51

View Postbarmar, on 2018-March-02, 09:35, said:

Naked bridge?


The solution to this is damn obvious.

1. Have people play top level events on computers

2. Put all the Norths in one room, all the South's in another, ...

3. Separate people by enough distance that it becomes trivial to sweep for signals

4. Time delay the boards so that boards that are broadcast on the Vugraph are not being played live
Alderaan delenda est
1

#10 User is offline   barmar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Admin
  • Posts: 17,818
  • Joined: 2004-August-21
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2018-March-02, 10:15

View Posthrothgar, on 2018-March-02, 09:51, said:

3. Separate people by enough distance that it becomes trivial to sweep for signals

If they use something based on cellphone technology, they could be in different countries. Are all the venues going to have cellphone jammers?

#11 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,617
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2018-March-02, 11:43

View Postbarmar, on 2018-March-02, 10:15, said:

If they use something based on cellphone technology, they could be in different countries. Are all the venues going to have cellphone jammers?


Cell phone jammers are illegal in the US.

Cell phone detectors are cheap and reliable...
Alderaan delenda est
0

#12 User is offline   Vampyr 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,221
  • Joined: 2009-September-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:London

Posted 2018-March-02, 19:35

View Posthrothgar, on 2018-March-02, 09:51, said:

The solution to this is damn obvious.

1. Have people play top level events on computers

2. Put all the Norths in one room, all the South's in another, ...

3. Separate people by enough distance that it becomes trivial to sweep for signals

4. Time delay the boards so that boards that are broadcast on the Vugraph are not being played live


Obvious maybe, but not much fun.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones -- Albert Einstein
0

#13 User is offline   pescetom 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,084
  • Joined: 2014-February-18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Italy

Posted 2018-March-03, 07:56

View Postbarmar, on 2018-March-02, 09:35, said:

Naked bridge?

Sounds unrealistic, too much potential UI B-)

My smart trousers were just intended as an example of how easy it would be to cheat using over the internet components.
A more determined and ingenious cheat could do the same things within a dental implant if need be.
0

#14 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,617
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2018-March-03, 08:15

View Postpescetom, on 2018-March-03, 07:56, said:


A more determined and ingenious cheat could do the same things within a dental implant if need be.


Most modern hearing aides are bluetooth enabled and designed to also pick up radio and the like.

This is the primary reason that I think that Vugraph boards need to be time delayed

You can't prevent people from wearing the receiver.
People can place a powerful transmitter where ever
Alderaan delenda est
0

#15 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,617
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2018-March-03, 08:19

View PostVampyr, on 2018-March-02, 19:35, said:

Obvious maybe, but not much fun.


Fun has its place. In the short term, I wouldn't recommend anything like this for bridge clubs or low stakes tournaments.
However, if we look at the top levels of the game, the results from most every major event for 15+ years are irrevocably contaminated by cheating (and the only people that we caught are the idiots)

You have a choice: "Fun" or a clean game...
Alderaan delenda est
1

#16 User is offline   Vampyr 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,221
  • Joined: 2009-September-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:London

Posted 2018-March-04, 17:11

View Posthrothgar, on 2018-March-03, 08:19, said:

Fun has its place. In the short term, I wouldn't recommend anything like this for bridge clubs or low stakes tournaments.
However, if we look at the top levels of the game, the results from most every major event for 15+ years are irrevocably contaminated by cheating (and the only people that we caught are the idiots)

You have a choice: "Fun" or a clean game...


Well, an improvement on your suggestion would be to put screen-mates together.

But there are other problems. When I play bridge online I regard it about as seriously as Candy Crush. I think that it might be tough for people to take playing on a computer seriously.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones -- Albert Einstein
1

Share this topic:


Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users