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Do you need to look at your hand?

Poll: Do you need to look at your hand? (23 member(s) have cast votes)

You're given 13 cards and the auction below, and you're already running well behind. Do you bother to look at your hand?

  1. Yes (21 votes [91.30%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 91.30%

  2. No (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Other (2 votes [8.70%] - View)

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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2018-February-08, 18:21



This sequence was the source of a rather silly dispute between my regular P and me - not so much what he should have done on his hand (passing was obvious), but whether he could possibly have a hand consistent with having passed twice (he had a multi-2 available) that could be bidding on now.

IMP scoring.
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Posted 2018-February-08, 18:49

I look at my hand before I make my first call. (which was a pass in this occasion)
But if I had some quick nap at the table and did not look at my hand during the auction until now, then yes I better look at it now! Posted Image
But I suspect you are not asking a question or seeking an answer about looking at our hand part... Rather you are trying to make a point that pd should have passed and it is so obvious in that auction that one does not even need to look at his/her hand.
You must be really pissed to make this post. :)
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Posted 2018-February-08, 18:54

View PostMrAce, on 2018-February-08, 18:49, said:

You must be really pissed to make this post. :)


It's that obvious? :P
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Posted 2018-February-08, 19:11

Yes I look at my hand and if i have a 5530 yarb I bid 5di. Otherwise I probably pass
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Posted 2018-February-08, 19:30

Of course i look at my hand. If you don't this will be the time you miscounted your points or missorted your hand and had 5 suits.
But no not likely to take an action other than pass.
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Posted 2018-February-09, 08:55

View PostJinksy, on 2018-February-08, 18:21, said:



This sequence was the source of a rather silly dispute between my regular P and me - not so much what he should have done on his hand (passing was obvious), but whether he could possibly have a hand consistent with having passed twice (he had a multi-2 available) that could be bidding on now.

IMP scoring.

You should ALWAYS look at your hand How else are you going to make the correct decision(s) ??!! Ridiculous question :rolleyes:
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Posted 2018-February-09, 09:33

Q You're given 13 cards and the auction below, and you're already running well behind. Do you bother to look at your hand?


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Time Management. This can be a problem in any busy life! Write down a personal plan, decide what most is important, be realistic, avoid distractions and put a stop watch in your pocket

Partnership breakdown. This is never easy. Reflect on how much you shared together and how much you would lose now. Fortunately your issue is completely private and the less said now the easier it will be in future. Lucky day: Tuesdays!
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Posted 2018-February-09, 09:59

View PostJinksy, on 2018-February-08, 18:21, said:



This sequence was the source of a rather silly dispute between my regular P and me - not so much what he should have done on his hand (passing was obvious), but whether he could possibly have a hand consistent with having passed twice (he had a multi-2 available) that could be bidding on now.

IMP scoring.

In my club,if a pair was well behind the TD told both pairs to note the board number and any bidding and replay it at
the conclusion of the tournament. Online here there is absolutely no excuse for falling behind. If its
the opponents who are tardy,the TD should be summoned after 30 seconds non action just as in an automated tournament
It's not a sin to play bridge,but it's a crime if you play it badly(!) ;)
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Posted 2018-February-09, 19:04

At these colors, it is always possible for opening bidder to have quite a distributional and weak hand and pass. 876543 87654 32 void. While this is quite a dramatic example I have few doubts that 5cx is not going to be the final contract. It is normally why we do not make an x of the opps when we expect to defeat them only 1 trick (and when they are nvul maybe even 2 tricks) at imps because it is not worth it in the long run. If the xer was not prepared for partner to bid on with a dramatic hand they are almost certainly better off passing 5c.
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Posted 2018-February-10, 10:21

View PostJinksy, on 2018-February-08, 18:21, said:



This sequence was the source of a rather silly dispute between my regular P and me - not so much what he should have done on his hand (passing was obvious), but whether he could possibly have a hand consistent with having passed twice (he had a multi-2 available) that could be bidding on now.

IMP scoring.

I shall always pass but certainly it is not a sin to have a quick look at your hand before taking any decision.Ones call must be in the same tempo all the while.Some players close the cards quickly and make a hasty suggestive pass,and this is unfair.
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Posted 2018-February-10, 13:21

Is it just me, or was "do you need to look at your hand" obviously metaphorical, in the sense of "can a non-passing hand exist", not meant to be taken literally like (almost) everyone seems to be doing :unsure:
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Posted 2018-February-11, 06:54

Yeah, Timo was right on the money. My - glacially slow - partner had tanked for about 30 seconds in a game we were already behind on in this position with KQTx xxxx xxx xx, and I snapped at him afterwards for wasting everyone's time.

As Timo also guessed, I was pissed at the time of posting, and the intended question was 'are there any 13 cards consistent with passing twice and bidding now?'

Maybe the answer is yes, but I don't think the hands people have given above are right. If the normal criterion for pulling a double of 4+ to the 5+ level is because you think you're making, then the canonical hand would be something like QJTxx KQTxxx x x (or whatever would fall just under a bid over 5 for you), and P would be entitled to raise on AKxx Axxx Kx AQx or similar.

If you're going to pull on the same sort of shape but no values, then even when pulling was 'right', you'll probably find yourself playing in 7Mx. Or you need to be playing an agreement that pulling says 'I think they were making' rather than 'I think we are', which seems like courting disaster.
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Posted 2018-February-11, 07:20

I think you were a bit harsh on partner - this is an extremely unusual auction, and it's not abnormal to think for a bit "What the heck is going on?" before passing. Maybe you think it's obvious that you have a strong takeout of diamonds (including something in clubs) - but could you maybe have a double-and-bid hand that didn't expect to have to make a decision over 5? E.g. I would wonder whether you could be 4=6=2=1, planning to bid 4 over 4 --- in which case we can probably make 6. Say Axxx AKQxxx Ax x.

If you do have a takeout double, opponents are playing in their inferior fit.
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