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#1 User is offline   cencio 

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Posted 2018-February-07, 02:42

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More probably attack: Heart
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Posted 2018-February-07, 03:30

It needs a club lead to defeat 6.

Many will start with the A - particularly if match-points.

Having said that, I wouldn't have bid 6.
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Posted 2018-February-07, 03:44

I think a heart would be a pretty terrible lead, the chances of the A holding are virtually none! I like to think I would find a club lead at the table, but who knows, it's much easier when you can see all the hands!
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Posted 2018-February-07, 04:19

Yes - even if it is possible that south only has a five-card suit, the bidding suggests extreme shape and a likely void in at least one of the hands. My "many will start with A" is a bit silly. Lead choices are likely to be a diamond or a club and there is a lot to be said for an attacking lead on the auction.
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Posted 2018-February-07, 06:29

View PostTramticket, on 2018-February-07, 04:19, said:

Yes - even if it is possible that south only has a five-card suit, the bidding suggests extreme shape and a likely void in at least one of the hands. My "many will start with A" is a bit silly. Lead choices are likely to be a diamond or a club and there is a lot to be said for an attacking lead on the auction.

The interesting thing for me is that for making 6 spade one has to overuff the first heart card
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Posted 2018-February-07, 06:32

View PostTramticket, on 2018-February-07, 03:30, said:

It needs a club lead to defeat 6.

Many will start with the A - particularly if match-points.

Having said that, I wouldn't have bid 6.


Maybe I am missing something but isn't 6 always going down even on a lead if South holds up the A for three rounds?
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Posted 2018-February-07, 06:37

View Postcencio, on 2018-February-07, 06:29, said:

The interesting thing for me is that for making 6 spade one has to overuff the first heart card


True enough - very nice.
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Posted 2018-February-07, 06:38

View PostFelicityR, on 2018-February-07, 06:32, said:

Maybe I am missing something but isn't 6 always going down even on a lead if South holds up the A for three rounds?


If the first two diamonds win, declarer is in dummy and can switch to clubs.
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Posted 2018-February-08, 02:20

Only an opening club lead sets 6S.If a heart is led the dummy ruffs and declarer overruffs.If he does not do so he goes down on careful defence.And what name can be given to this overruffing coup!
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Posted 2018-February-08, 11:38

View Postsfi, on 2018-February-07, 06:38, said:

If the first two diamonds win, declarer is in dummy and can switch to clubs.


And then declarer still loses a club and a diamond !! LOL
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Posted 2018-February-08, 11:54

View Postmrt2000, on 2018-February-08, 11:38, said:

And then declarer still loses a club and a diamond !! LOL


No, he doesn't LOL!!

Declarer switches to small to the 10 if south plays low ( King drops under the Ace on next round of ) and small to the Ace if south plays the King. When, or if north wins with the Q of , he can do nothing as he will not have any more (after 2 previous rounds) so he either has to play a (ruff-sluff) and loser goes away) or 4th and declarers loser goes away. It takes a lead to defeat the 6 contract.
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Posted 2018-February-08, 11:56

View Postmrt2000, on 2018-February-08, 11:38, said:

And then declarer still loses a club and a diamond !! LOL


Have another look. North will not have another diamond!
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Posted 2018-February-08, 11:59

View PostTramticket, on 2018-February-08, 11:56, said:

Have another look. North will not have another diamond!

Quite correct. After 2 rounds of diamonds, club to the 10 and then the Ace of clubs drops the king and dummys clubs is good to pitch the diamond :D
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Posted 2018-February-09, 16:03

View Postmsjennifer, on 2018-February-08, 02:20, said:

Only an opening club lead sets 6S.If a heart is led the dummy ruffs and declarer overruffs.If he does not do so he goes down on careful defence.And what name can be given to this overruffing coup!

I have read about this type of coup in "Right Through the Pack". The author refers to this as "The Robert Coup", and this is also in The Encyclopedia of Bridge by this name. So this would be called a Robert Coup.
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Posted 2018-February-09, 19:50

In such auctions will you lead from Kx?
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