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Yet another 4/5 level competitive decision

Poll: Rate the most obvious options (14 member(s) have cast votes)

Pass

  1. Clear (6 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  2. Normal (5 votes [35.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  3. Reasonable (2 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  4. Speculative (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  5. Nuts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Dbl

  1. Clear (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Normal (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Reasonable (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  4. Speculative (8 votes [57.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  5. Nuts (5 votes [35.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

5di

  1. Clear (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Normal (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  3. Reasonable (2 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  4. Speculative (8 votes [57.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  5. Nuts (3 votes [21.43%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

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#21 User is offline   helene_t 

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Posted 2018-February-06, 16:38

View Postnige1, on 2018-February-06, 12:13, said:

This might be a forcing-pass context .

Good point. It didn't occur to me but if the 2 bid was preemptive then the general rule kicks in that we don't let the opponents play an undoubled game contract if they have preempted opposite a passed hand. It would also come in handy here as pass would convey the message that we are tempted to bid on but want to leave the final word to partner.
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Posted 2018-February-06, 17:31

This topic is making me laugh my @$$ off the more i read it. Having already lied about the values, about the suit quality now we are running after forcing pass over 4 huh? Posted Image
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Posted 2018-February-06, 18:17

2S was also my call, but if it sets up FP, I'm out :P

I still have no idea what to do over 4H. It is very painful.
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Posted 2018-February-06, 18:39

View PostMrAce, on 2018-February-06, 17:31, said:

Having already lied about the values, about the suit quality now we are running after forcing pass over 4 huh?

Well, we have had some discussions about auctions like
(pass)-pass-(3)-x
(5)-?
and the consensus is that pass is forcing because opps are obviously sacrificing when they bid game after having preempted opposite a passed hand.

Now this may not apply here if 2 was intermediate, and of course playing this auction as FP is vulnerable to exploytation as RHO could have bid 2 on a very heavy hand in order to put us in an FP.

But anyway, of course a 2 bid that can be as weak as this doesn't in itself put us in an FP. And as said I wouldn't have assumed this was an FP myself. Just that I don't think it would be a crazy agreement to have.

Besides, it is club-level matchpoints, so if opps can bid and make game on less than 25 HCPs we get a bottom anyway so we might as well double them :)
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Posted 2018-February-06, 19:17

View Posthelene_t, on 2018-February-06, 18:39, said:

Well, we have had some discussions about auctions like
(pass)-pass-(3)-x
(5)-?
and the consensus is that pass is forcing because opps are obviously sacrificing when they bid game after having preempted opposite a passed hand.


Whose consensus is that?
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Posted 2018-February-06, 19:29

View PostMrAce, on 2018-February-06, 19:17, said:

Whose consensus is that?

haha Justin said it and then everyone agreed. Now I can't find the discussion.
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Posted 2018-February-06, 22:05

View Posthelene_t, on 2018-February-06, 19:29, said:

haha Justin said it and then everyone agreed. Now I can't find the discussion.


I strongly doubt Justin plays this as forcing.
In fact, if i remember correctly, he plays much less forcing pass auctions than most players here in this forum, if not all of them, so do i.
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