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Posted 2018-January-10, 22:20

View Postmiamijd, on 2018-January-10, 14:49, said:

If you bid 3C over 2S, you are apt to find partner with:

Kxxx
Qxxx
xx
Jxx

Now partner is going to bid 3S (what else can he do), and you may well be too high.

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well if he does he bid wrong his bid would be 3 or even 3nt is better than 3s
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Posted 2018-January-11, 02:44

My answers to your 3 questions, and a few thoughts on westís bid after the 2S, P...?

In my village X shows 4 S or a strong enough hand to adjust- that means I adjust if partner bids Ss. After the X you rely on 4 spades but if west adjust I reassess

Even if east passed then a free 2S now should show a tad stronger than a Q (likely under the cosh) moreover with a flat 10 losers. Definitely pass not 2S

But letís say we are when we are...it come to 2S-P-? What now? Well itís teams, so our chums will be showing their score on this hand in half an hour, what are we going to offer our score? Reflect its one of those hands with points roughly split, so potentially quite swingy hand. The absolute worst would be chums offer -600; they banged 3NT and the D fell 2-2/Q Singleton and just enough to make a C finesse. Weíd just have to be philosophical on that. A more good result is chums offer +110/140 in 2/3H and we make a plus too- a very useful half dozen imps. The bad one would be chums offer -110 as their opp went plus, just as we go down too- that could be half a dozen imps out- not good, not at all!

So as West Iíd reflect that itís really important that we go plus here, and Iíd try to deliver that by rank better Bridge (and not playing against the odds and evidence)

So first letís assume Eastís 2S bid had 4 points and 5 Ss- how will she fare in 2S?

Trying to play finesses is likely impossible- the hand tends to be too weak to access. East is unlikely 4 Hs so a nice C/H Cross ruff looks asking a bit too much. So Iím imaging something like 3S+1H ruff+ hopefully 1D but asking for 2 might be too much and 1C, possibly 2 in the finesse. Total 7. Oh dear- itís quite likely east will go down even if she has more shape and power. If Iím right on this then I must adjust now. The chance of a minus is too high

What about 3C now? Letís assume now east either pass, so Iím in a 4-4 fit in C, or east bid 3D, so Iím in a 5-3 fit. How many tricks now? 1S, 0H, so I focus on the minors and need 8 tricks now. In D Iím hoping for Cs finesse and ruff. And in C then she is something like 4/5: 2/3: ?: 4 so short Ds and hope to set them up. Either way I can see 1+0+5+3. Hence 3C after 2S-P-?
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Posted 2018-January-11, 04:36

View PostCodeByJim, on 2018-January-10, 13:42, said:

I play opening is forcing for one round.
Bid 1. Second bid is jump shift to 3.
If North passes East must bid 1
Ignore what South bids and Jump Shift to 2nt, forcing 1 round.
East must keep the bidding open with a 3 and I follow with
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Invention of a totally new system of bidding.
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Posted 2018-January-11, 11:12

View Post0deary, on 2018-January-11, 02:44, said:

My answers to your 3 questions, and a few thoughts on westís bid after the 2S, P...?

In my village X shows 4 S or a strong enough hand to adjust- that means I adjust if partner bids Ss. After the X you rely on 4 spades but if west adjust I reassess

Even if east passed then a free 2S now should show a tad stronger than a Q (likely under the cosh) moreover with a flat 10 losers. Definitely pass not 2S

But letís say we are when we are...it come to 2S-P-? What now? Well itís teams, so our chums will be showing their score on this hand in half an hour, what are we going to offer our score? Reflect its one of those hands with points roughly split, so potentially quite swingy hand. The absolute worst would be chums offer -600; they banged 3NT and the D fell 2-2/Q Singleton and just enough to make a C finesse. Weíd just have to be philosophical on that. A more good result is chums offer +110/140 in 2/3H and we make a plus too- a very useful half dozen imps. The bad one would be chums offer -110 as their opp went plus, just as we go down too- that could be half a dozen imps out- not good, not at all!

So as West Iíd reflect that itís really important that we go plus here, and Iíd try to deliver that by rank better Bridge (and not playing against the odds and evidence)

So first letís assume Eastís 2S bid had 4 points and 5 Ss- how will she fare in 2S?

Trying to play finesses is likely impossible- the hand tends to be too weak to access. East is unlikely 4 Hs so a nice C/H Cross ruff looks asking a bit too much. So Iím imaging something like 3S+1H ruff+ hopefully 1D but asking for 2 might be too much and 1C, possibly 2 in the finesse. Total 7. Oh dear- itís quite likely east will go down even if she has more shape and power. If Iím right on this then I must adjust now. The chance of a minus is too high

What about 3C now? Letís assume now east either pass, so Iím in a 4-4 fit in C, or east bid 3D, so Iím in a 5-3 fit. How many tricks now? 1S, 0H, so I focus on the minors and need 8 tricks now. In D Iím hoping for Cs finesse and ruff. And in C then she is something like 4/5: 2/3: ?: 4 so short Ds and hope to set them up. Either way I can see 1+0+5+3. Hence 3C after 2S-P-?
Quite interesting presentation .Is it not?
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Posted 2018-January-11, 15:18

View Postaawk, on 2018-January-10, 22:20, said:

well if he does he bid wrong his bid would be 3 or even 3nt is better than 3s


3D on two of them? Not quite. 3NT with Qxxx in front of the heart bidder? Seems likely the opponents run five H right off the top, and they probably have at least one more high card winner if not two. I suppose you could pass 3C, but you're kind of in the soup no matter what you do.
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Posted 2018-January-11, 19:21

View Postmiamijd, on 2018-January-11, 15:18, said:

3D on two of them? Not quite. 3NT with Qxxx in front of the heart bidder? Seems likely the opponents run five H right off the top, and they probably have at least one more high card winner if not two. I suppose you could pass 3C, but you're kind of in the soup no matter what you do.

3D should£ be routine. Itís called false preference. It doesnít mean that you prefer diamonds to any other suit, just that 3d is the best contract available.
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Posted 2018-January-11, 20:35

View Postmiamijd, on 2018-January-11, 15:18, said:

3D on two of them? Not quite. 3NT with Qxxx in front of the heart bidder? Seems likely the opponents run five H right off the top, and they probably have at least one more high card winner if not two. I suppose you could pass 3C, but you're kind of in the soup no matter what you do.


yes 3 on a 2 card you have a 5-2 fit and I said that 3nt would be better then 3.
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