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Unintended call? EBU

#21 User is offline   blackshoe 

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Posted 2017-December-30, 09:45

View Postpran, on 2017-December-30, 05:04, said:

Sure it is Law 27.
But it may change to Law 25A if the offender (during the application of Law 27) expresses that his intention was to PASS.
And nothing prevents him from changing his insufficient 3NT bid to PASS, which in fact here (probably) satisfies the conditions for being a comparable call!

Well, he's already said he had no intended call, that he was still considering his options. Are you going to let him change his mind? What if he wants to bid instead of pass?
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Posted 2017-December-30, 11:16

View Postblackshoe, on 2017-December-30, 09:45, said:

Well, he's already said he had no intended call, that he was still considering his options. Are you going to let him change his mind? What if he wants to bid instead of pass?

No.
The question was "which law applies", and the answer to that is obviously Law 27.

Then there is a question (to which I gave my considerations) on how to apply Law 27 in this situation.
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Posted 2017-December-30, 14:45

View Postpran, on 2017-December-30, 05:04, said:

Sure it is Law 27.
But it may change to Law 25A if the offender (during the application of Law 27) expresses that his intention was to PASS.


You can't really fish out a 3NT bid when your intention was to take a pass out of the other part of the bidding box.
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Posted 2017-December-30, 15:59

View PostVampyr, on 2017-December-30, 14:45, said:

You can't really fish out a 3NT bid when your intention was to take a pass out of the other part of the bidding box.

If the intention is to end the auction in a 3NT contract then the 3NT bid (insufficient over partner's 3NT bid) and a replacing PASS certainly appear "comparable" to me?
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Posted 2018-January-02, 03:43

View Postpran, on 2017-December-30, 05:04, said:

.. nothing prevents him from changing his insufficient 3NT bid to PASS, which in fact here (probably) satisfies the conditions for being a comparable call!

Yes, I agree PASS probably satisfies the requirements for a comparable call. But LHO could certainly prevent him from making this change if he accepted the 3NT call!
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Posted 2018-January-02, 05:36

View PostWellSpyder, on 2018-January-02, 03:43, said:

Yes, I agree PASS probably satisfies the requirements for a comparable call. But LHO could certainly prevent him from making this change if he accepted the 3NT call!

And the difference would be ?????
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Posted 2018-January-02, 08:09

View Postpran, on 2018-January-02, 05:36, said:

And the difference would be ?????

Who knows? Perhaps RHO might now decide to double the contract?
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Posted 2018-January-02, 12:28

View PostWellSpyder, on 2018-January-02, 08:09, said:

Who knows? Perhaps RHO might now decide to double the contract?


That would be quite a good agreement to have; when insufficient bid is the same as the previous bid, accepting it is a suggestion to double.
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Posted 2018-January-03, 05:07

View PostVampyr, on 2018-January-02, 12:28, said:

That would be quite a good agreement to have; when insufficient bid is the same as the previous bid, accepting it is a suggestion to double.

And I believe most (if not all) regulating authorities will have a special opinion on such an agreement:

Law 40B2(a) said:

The Regulating Authority:
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(iv) may disallow prior agreement by a partnership to vary its understandings during the auction or play following an irregularity committed by the opponents.

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Posted 2018-January-03, 11:33

View Postpran, on 2018-January-03, 05:07, said:

And I believe most (if not all) regulating authorities will have a special opinion on such an agreement:


I doubt that a sensible RA will choose this election.
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