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#1 User is offline   Finanzier 

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Posted 2017-December-04, 05:44



What is the appropriate level?
What would you do?
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Posted 2017-December-04, 05:51

What is the form of scoring? What was the 4 bid - a transfer?

I bid 5 at IMPs.
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Posted 2017-December-04, 06:06

On this hand, I actually think I want to play this contract to conceal my distribution, it's not like there's a xxx type holding I want to protect.

I'd have bid 5 first up to show this hand type. Partner is free if he has aces and diamonds to bid 6, he knows a holding like AK bare will be plenty.
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Posted 2017-December-04, 06:20

View PostFinanzier, on 2017-December-04, 05:44, said:

What is the appropriate level? What would you do?

In a similar auction, I passed 4. In silence, my partner, Ian Morrison, wrapped up 11 tricks. I asked if I should have bid on. He pointed out mildly that 4 is a sixpence.
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Posted 2017-December-04, 06:41

Hi,

as was already asked, what was 4C?
If it was a transfer, i.e. showing diamonds, bid on, you have no idea, if it makes, but you dont have an idea, if 4D makes.
If it was undiscussed, texas, ..., 4C was the wrong bid, but the best you can do is to check out.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2017-December-04, 07:06

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2017-December-04, 06:41, said:

Hi,

as was already asked, what was 4C?
If it was a transfer, i.e. showing diamonds, bid on, you have no idea, if it makes, but you dont have an idea, if 4D makes.
If it was undiscussed, texas, ..., 4C was the wrong bid, but the best you can do is to check out.

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Undiscussed it was probably Gerber :)
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Posted 2017-December-04, 08:05

View PostCyberyeti, on 2017-December-04, 07:06, said:

Undiscussed it was probably Gerber :)


I wondered that ... I suppose there is just about room for partner to have a 20 count and no aces! :) :)
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Posted 2017-December-04, 09:52

View PostTramticket, on 2017-December-04, 08:05, said:

I wondered that ... I suppose there is just about room for partner to have a 20 count and no aces! :) :)


0 or 4, 1,2,3

And if he opens 2N on QJx, KQJx, KQ, KQJx I might get a new partner unless we open 19 counts 2N routinely
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Posted 2017-December-04, 12:48

If it was Gerber, I just bid 6 and sheepishly put down dummy.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2017-December-04, 13:01

View PostCyberyeti, on 2017-December-04, 09:52, said:

0 or 4, 1,2,3

And if he opens 2N on QJx, KQJx, KQ, KQJx I might get a new partner unless we open 19 counts 2N routinely

If partner opened 2 NT on that hand, you're already 1 trick beyond the last makeable contract barring a defensive error. So you ought to bid 6 if 4 is Gerber. You ought to have a decent play for 6 if partner has the 4 As even if the A is stiff.

BTW, 7 quacks and no As/10s would be worth -2 point adjustment if you use Bergen's point count inconsistency adjustments.
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Posted 2017-December-04, 13:06

View PostCyberyeti, on 2017-December-04, 06:06, said:

On this hand, I actually think I want to play this contract to conceal my distribution, it's not like there's a xxx type holding I want to protect.

I'd have bid 5 first up to show this hand type. Partner is free if he has aces and diamonds to bid 6, he knows a holding like AK bare will be plenty.


You might just want to protect Kxx from an opening lead through it also.

I'd likewise just bid 5 , too.
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Posted 2017-December-04, 13:09

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Posted 2017-December-04, 14:34

View Postrmnka447, on 2017-December-04, 13:06, said:

You might just want to protect Kxx from an opening lead through it also.

I'd likewise just bid 5 , too.

If opener has 4 aces you don't need to protect K. If opener has 0 things won't go well.B-)
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Posted 2017-December-04, 16:44

5d
This hand belongs somewhere btn 3d and 7d. 3n might be a recipe for disaster while 5d will rarely score poorly. 5d also has the benefit of allowing opener to consider 6d if they have a ton of aces and a decent dia fit. It takes special agreement to effectively bid 7d so losing out on 7d is hardly the worst thing imaginable. Game before slam and 5d seems to be the safest game choice.
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Posted 2017-December-05, 00:43

View PostFinanzier, on 2017-December-04, 05:44, said:



What is the appropriate level?
What would you do?

5!d
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Posted 2017-December-05, 01:17

View Poststeve2005, on 2017-December-04, 14:34, said:

If opener has 4 aces you don't need to protect K. If opener has 0 things won't go well.B-)


I think cyberyeti was referring to bidding 5 directly over 2 NT. I was agreeing that I'd also make that bid as responder.
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Posted 2017-December-05, 02:28

A direct 5 risks/invites a raise to 7 on Axxx,AJxx,AKx,Ax.
What would you do, if partner bid 5and you're looking on all 5 Keys?

We play 3 as a weak transfer into either minor, and a direct 4m as single-suited, strong and forcing to 5m.
This Hand is borderline between 3 and 4. So I would probably start 3 and bid 5 next.
Now P should know, that I'm highly distributional, without many HCPs. I might still get a raise to 7 on the Hand I gave earlier, but at least I tried and P should know that 6 is plenty...

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Posted 2017-December-05, 04:25

View Postrmnka447, on 2017-December-05, 01:17, said:

I think cyberyeti was referring to bidding 5 directly over 2 NT. I was agreeing that I'd also make that bid as responder.


Perhaps it wasn't available. Of course, the answer to this question is impossible to determine since we have no idea what 4 was.
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Posted 2017-December-05, 05:03

View PostJanisW, on 2017-December-05, 02:28, said:

A direct 5 risks/invites a raise to 7 on Axxx,AJxx,AKx,Ax.
What would you do, if partner bid 5and you're looking on all 5 Keys?


I think a direct 5 requires an exceptional hand to bid 6 and takes 7 out of the equation, better hands will take it a little slower.
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Posted 2017-December-05, 08:42

View PostJanisW, on 2017-December-05, 02:28, said:

A direct 5 risks/invites a raise to 7 on Axxx,AJxx,AKx,Ax.
What would you do, if partner bid 5and you're looking on all 5 Keys?

We play 3 as a weak transfer into either minor, and a direct 4m as single-suited, strong and forcing to 5m.
This Hand is borderline between 3 and 4. So I would probably start 3 and bid 5 next.
Now P should know, that I'm highly distributional, without many HCPs. I might still get a raise to 7 on the Hand I gave earlier, but at least I tried and P should know that 6 is plenty...

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this is not standard (though maybe it should be) how about 5h/5s/6c (for your example) to show Ax and all 5 keys in case there is a ruffing value that vaults us to 7. 5n to show all 5 keys with no ruffing value. Merely showing 5 keys will usually be enough to allow responder to pick the best spot
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