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2nt bid

Poll: 2nt bid (33 member(s) have cast votes)

2nt white/white

  1. good (3 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  2. ok (9 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  3. bad (21 votes [63.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.64%

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#1 User is offline   LBengtsson 

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Posted 2017-October-21, 09:38

advanced prtnr. white/white, rate how bid is






2nt /
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Posted 2017-October-21, 11:28

worse than bad.
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Posted 2017-October-21, 12:22

Convention abuse!
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Posted 2017-October-21, 13:55

My thoughts on this are if you use any two-suited convention such as Unusual No Trump, Ghestem or Michael's the high card points and honours should be primarily in the 5-5 or even 6/5 suits shown. There are exceptions but this isn't one of them.

Agree entirely with all the commentators who have posted so far that the bid is not just bad, but poor, even at same vulnerability, and even at favourable vulnerability I would still pass in second position.
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Posted 2017-October-21, 13:58

it's the kind of bid imo in club bridge most people will make, but i really hate.
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Posted 2017-October-21, 14:25

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Posted 2017-October-21, 14:42

View PostLBengtsson, on 2017-October-21, 09:38, said:


2nt /

I rank
  • 2N=UNT. Marginal in this position at this vulnerability. Could work badly but describes the shape. If opponents win the auction, then you have surprises for them.
  • 2=NAT. Worth an overcall.
  • 2=NAT.
  • Pass=NAT. Win the post-mortem.

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Posted 2017-October-21, 19:48

Definitely terrible.

You need some trick taking ability if you're going force the auction to the 3 level. This hand is about as bad as you can get in that regard.

How would you like to be in 3 opposite your partner's doubleton small?
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Posted 2017-October-22, 00:36

This 2NT overcall is simply horrible to say the least.Pass is the best bid..
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Posted 2017-October-22, 02:08

Ok if NV Terribly if Vul
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Posted 2017-October-22, 03:08

I see I am swimming against a tidal wave <_<

Nothing unusual :lol:

What is the point of bidding 2NT? You are not doing it to win the contract (unless you are very strong)
First up you are attempting to disrupt opponents bidding. We are making it harder to bid constructively. Many opponents do not have sensible agreed meanings for double, 3 or 3 (do you?)

Second if opps find their major fit, partner has a good idea whether to sac.

If I pass opps can go into an easy sequence to determine whether to be in part score, game or slam. Ideal scenario is we push them into a thin game which goes down when they finesse for the K

If the bidding goes 2 pass pass, I am passing at the speed of light
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Posted 2017-October-22, 04:45

Is it the K of C and the J of D? No.
Then pass, poor suits, we don't know yet who has points (do we really want p to bid 5m "to make" if LHO is broke), and opps may well belong in a partscore. Or, despite the fact that my honors could create surprises to RHO in H or LHO in S contracts, the indication of my shape might help them. Partner could be pleased that they find their major fit unopposed.
In the unlikely event it goes 2H pass pass then of course I'll come in.
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Posted 2017-October-22, 05:29

The late legendary Rixi Markus didnt like this convention. She used to say that,unless you were guaranteed to
buy the contract,it was silly to come in with bids like this as all you were doing was giving the opposition
a picture of your distribution.
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Posted 2017-October-22, 05:54

Bidding 2N with this collection is a gambler's bid.
1. SOTM we need a top near the end of the session (sometimes happens).
2. The opps are so superior to us we will do almost anything to keep the board from progressing normally.
3. Partnership has agreed to play top/bottom bridge.

The hand is not totally hopeless but it is a serious gamble with few sources for tricks unless p has a HUGE fit. You would not dream of opening this hand at the 1 level (i hope) so why make a bid that forces the partnership to the 3 level so early in the bidding? If p does not have a decent fit there is a chance we are looking at a TEN ELEVEN loser hand. That is a LOT of negative especially if the opps would normally only bid a part score. We know nothing at this point so it would seem vastly more prudent to wait and see if there is any degree of safety in showing this hand.
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Posted 2017-October-22, 06:14

View Posteagles123, on 2017-October-21, 13:58, said:

it's the kind of bid imo in club bridge most people will make, but i really hate.

Yeah but I think it's also the kind of bid that tends to work at club bridge where opps don't play unusual versus unusual and don't know what double means etc.
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Posted 2017-October-22, 08:07

View Posteagles123, on 2017-October-21, 13:58, said:

it's the kind of bid imo in club bridge most people will make

Because in an average bridge club only few players have defense against that. Against good (or even ok) opponents I wouldn't bid that.
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Posted 2017-October-22, 09:44

This hand is a minus on offence with minimal shape for the bid and poor suits.

A minus on defence when you telegraph your shape to any declarer with a pulse and/or get a lead from Ax in a minor from partner.

A minus on bidding if partner takes a phantom or too high sack or if you chase them into 3nt instead of a 4-4 spade fit.

On the plus side if you don't like playing with me you won't have to in the future.
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Posted 2017-October-22, 12:25

No 2NT for me. I'm very reluctant to bid 2NT for the minors anyway.
What it mostly accomplishes is turning play into a double dummy exercise for declarer or partner taking a phantom sack in the minors...
We only bid 2NT with a lot of playing strength and/or extra defence and not as a weak overcall.

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Posted 2017-October-23, 10:31

View PostLBengtsson, on 2017-October-21, 09:38, said:

advanced prtnr. white/white, rate how bid is






2nt /

Not sure that I would make this bid-but it IS in accordance with the convention.
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Posted 2017-October-23, 12:08

thx, i thought bid is bad, but my bids later was also bad :(

ended wrong contract. no way i bid 2nt with hand
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