BBO Discussion Forums: What do you expect - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

What do you expect

#1 User is offline   kdr_fm 

  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: 2009-January-27

Posted 2017-October-12, 20:09

Kxx
Txx
AJx
AQxx

P 1S 2D Dbl
P 3H

3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support

Give example hands you'd expect from partner.
0

#2 User is offline   steve2005 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,901
  • Joined: 2010-April-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Hamilton, Canada
  • Interests:Bridge duh!

Posted 2017-October-12, 21:29

If cue bid doesn't promise support you need a bid to show support. I suggest 2NT.
Natural 2NT hands can do a trap pass.
Sarcasm is a state of mind
0

#3 User is offline   The_Badger 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 693
  • Joined: 2013-January-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, Chess, Film, Literature, Herbal Medicine, Nutrition

Posted 2017-October-12, 22:21

View Postkdr_fm, on 2017-October-12, 20:09, said:

Kxx
Txx
AJx
AQxx

P 1S 2D Dbl
P 3H

3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support

Give example hands you'd expect from partner.


In my view, partner will be a 16-17(poor 18) count including distribution and with 5 + 4. The 3 bid I would take as encouraging/invitational but not completely forcing.
0

#4 User is offline   msjennifer 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 506
  • Joined: 2013-August-03
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Variable private
  • Interests:Cricket,Photography,Paediatrics and Community Medicine.

Posted 2017-October-12, 23:37

I feel it all depends on your definition of the negative double and whether it does or does not guarantee four cards in Hearts.If it does,then I expect a 15/16 HCP hand {no wastage in diamonds.)If 4 cards is not a guarantee then partner will usually have a 5 carder ( a strong 4Carder will do)Hearts suit and 15/16 HCP.and if you play LTC then a 6 loser hand.
0

#5 User is offline   dokoko 

  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 75
  • Joined: 2017-May-30

Posted 2017-October-12, 23:49

I bid 3 - forcing.

If this were nonforcing, I should have used a forcing raise instead of double!

That said I think 3h should be FG with 5+ hearts (with 4 bid 3d asking partner to bid 3h with 4). With less than a game force (opposite a 2-level negative double) opener may choose from 2h, 2s and 2nt.
0

#6 User is offline   rmnka447 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,726
  • Joined: 2012-March-18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Illinois
  • Interests:Bridge, Golf, Soccer

Posted 2017-October-13, 01:24

I would think in this auction

P - 1 - 2 - DBl
p - ?

that

2 - minimum opener (12-bad 15) and 4+
3 - good hand (15+-18) and 4+
3 - even better hand with control if subsequent show
0

#7 User is offline   gordontd 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,659
  • Joined: 2009-July-14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London

Posted 2017-October-13, 02:05

View Postkdr_fm, on 2017-October-12, 20:09, said:

Kxx
Txx
AJx
AQxx

P 1S 2D Dbl
P 3H

3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support

Give example hands you'd expect from partner.

Have you missed out a call in this auction? I wouldn’t have overcalled 2D with this hand but nor would I have doubled.
Gordon Rainsford
London UK
1

#8 User is offline   wank 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,727
  • Joined: 2008-July-13

Posted 2017-October-13, 09:57

i expect i'll be changing my system.
1

#9 User is offline   RD350LC 

  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 58
  • Joined: 2016-April-22

Posted 2017-October-13, 12:07

View Postkdr_fm, on 2017-October-12, 20:09, said:

Kxx
Txx
AJx
AQxx

P 1S 2D Dbl
P 3H

3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support

Give example hands you'd expect from partner.

I would expect at least 5 spades and 4 hearts. Since p jumped, I would also expect a game forcing hand-definitely more than a minimum. Say 15-17+ hcp.
But then, that is just my opinion.
0

#10 User is offline   nige1 

  • 5-level belongs to me
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,011
  • Joined: 2004-August-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Glasgow Scotland
  • Interests:Poems Computers

Posted 2017-October-13, 13:38

View Postkdr_fm, on 2017-October-12, 20:09, said:

K x x T x x A J x A Q x x
P 1S 2D Dbl
P 3H P
3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support
Give example hands you'd expect from partner.

Presumably, the 2 overcaller passed (as in the extended auction above)?
Over RHO's 2, I rate
  • 3 = CUE. Unless it denies support.
  • 4 = NAT.
  • 3 = NAT.
  • 3N = NAT
  • 2N = Whatever it means.
  • _X = NEG.
In the actual auction 3 is natural (at least invitational -- forcing by agreement). e.g. A Q x x x x K Q x x x x K.

Now it might be hard to persuade partner that you like more than s and have such a slam suitable hand. 6 could be a crude but practical bid.
0

#11 User is offline   gszes 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,037
  • Joined: 2011-February-12

Posted 2017-October-13, 18:11

NF shows around 5s 4h and asks for fit and around 2 aces for game too many hand types to show them all
0

#12 User is offline   fourdad 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 237
  • Joined: 2013-March-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:South Florida
  • Interests:Bridge, Football, Coaching, Family, Writing

Posted 2017-October-14, 08:31

View Postgszes, on 2017-October-13, 18:11, said:

NF shows around 5s 4h and asks for fit and around 2 aces for game too many hand types to show them all


I would never consider a jump shift as NF. But I HATE the dbl as it completely misstates the shape of the hand. Seems to me a cue is premature. But I play 3S as a limit raise and that would understate the values. 2NT is out for no heart stop, so I would likely temporize w/ 3C, forcing and wanting further description of partners hand.

From the 3H bid I would expect 5-4 in spades/hearts and 18+ and would be hard pressed not to be in slam.
0

#13 User is offline   GrahamJson 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 380
  • Joined: 2014-October-11

Posted 2017-October-14, 09:06

View Postfourdad, on 2017-October-14, 08:31, said:

I would never consider a jump shift as NF. But I HATE the dbl as it completely misstates the shape of the hand. Seems to me a cue is premature. But I play 3S as a limit raise and that would understate the values. 2NT is out for no heart stop, so I would likely temporize w/ 3C, forcing and wanting further description of partners hand.

From the 3H bid I would expect 5-4 in spades/hearts and 18+ and would be hard pressed not to be in slam.

I would never consider the 3H bid as a jump shift, in the same way that a jump opposite a take out double (e.g [1H] - X - [PASS] - 2S) is not. The double is forcing so 2H would show a minimum opener, hence 3H shows about an ace better than minimum. With 18+ you would cuebid first or bid 4H if the double guaranteed either four hearts or a strong hand.
0

#14 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,903
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Getting back into golf after a very long layoff.

Posted 2017-October-15, 12:57

View Postkdr_fm, on 2017-October-12, 20:09, said:


3D immediate instead of dbl is just F, not necessarily spade support



/thread
Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0

#15 User is offline   P_Marlowe 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,052
  • Joined: 2005-March-18
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2017-October-18, 11:42

Hi,

I dont understand the question, the request / the intention of this post.
If you can not show the spade support, than bid 3NT, this should show
game going values, a diamond stopper, a (semi) balanced hand, deny
4 hearts. The description comes pretty close?

Assuming, you dont have the stopper, move AJx to other suits, go via
3D, follow up with 4S.

You have limited system agreements, fair enough, live with it, this means
accept that you can only approximatly show your hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
0

Share this topic:


Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users