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Poll: which open? (61 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you open?

  1. 1S (55 votes [90.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 90.16%

  2. 1N (4 votes [6.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.56%

  3. either could work (2 votes [3.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.28%

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#1 User is offline   straube 

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Posted 2017-September-10, 23:08

Playing teams and vul, playing 2/1 with 15-17 NT

KQxxx QJxx Kx AJ

Which would you open? Is it a clear error not to open one or the other? Is it close either way?
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Posted 2017-September-10, 23:57

5-4 majors is a bit too much for me for 1NT. And a 1S-1NT-2H auction can be up to 17 or a bad 18 so no worries. After a "preference" to 2S, you can bid 2NT. At least I'll have taken all my chances to discover a fit.
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Posted 2017-September-11, 02:29

1.
A 15 count for me, so playing standard I'll just pass after 1-1NT-2-2.
1NT can work most of the time but you won't be happy if LHO overcall 3m, passed to you.
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Posted 2017-September-11, 03:37

Only 1 for 5-4 majors.
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Posted 2017-September-11, 04:17

To me it's not even close. I'd open 1 every time in any position. Nothing wrong with a 1NT opening with 5332 distribution, but when you have a rebid (5 card suit, with a 4 card side suit) it's best, I feel, to show the two suits than to open an skewed distribution 1NT with 5422, especially when the 2nd suit is a reasonable suit topped by 2 honours.

I know there will be players who'd say that it's the sort of hand that you want the lead coming up to, and that if partner responds 1NT it might wrongside the contract in 2/1, but that is a weakness, I feel - and I've mentioned this many times previously - of having a catch-all response of 1NT in 2/1 covering a variety of hands.

The only 5422 shape I would countenance as a 1NT opener is where you have 5 and 4 where opening 1NT seems preferable to 'falsifying' a rebid to show both suits.
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Posted 2017-September-11, 14:44

View PostThe_Badger, on 2017-September-11, 04:17, said:

The only 5422 shape I would countenance as a 1NT opener is where you have 5 and 4 where opening 1NT seems preferable to 'falsifying' a rebid to show both suits.

5 and 4 That's reasonable.
What about 2=4=2=5 or
2=4=5=2
not strong enough to reverse over 1?
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Posted 2017-September-11, 18:45

I'm also a 1 bidder if playing 2/1.
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Posted 2017-September-11, 21:00

For myself, 5=4=2=2 or 4=5=2=2 is a definite no for 1NT, even with a more notumpy hand than this. I open 1NT freely with 5M-3-3-2, and don't mind 4M-5m-2-2 shape. 2=2=4=5 or 2=2=5=4 are possible but I prefer not to open 1NT: 2-2 majors can mess up the response/rebid structure.
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Posted 2017-September-11, 21:30

I've opened a 15-17 1NT with this shape before and will do so again, but need better minors. Usually when I've done so, the suit is bad.
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Posted 2017-September-12, 01:04

1. My agreement is NT bidder should not have more than one doubleton.
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Posted 2017-September-12, 07:56

Usually 1NT open is reserved for a balanced hand not a semi-balanced hand. Two doubleton hands may not play well in an NT environment since short suits are liabilities. Also, with a hand that has two 4-card majors one should pursue a major fit with a 1 open. Report shape before points especially when you don't have the textbook shape for a proper 1NT open.
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Posted 2017-September-12, 11:33

Hi,

you have an easy way to show 5-4 in the majors,
and you can, if you fancy it, give it another push
over partners simple 2S preference, so why is this
an question? Even if 1S worked out badly for whatever
reason.

And yes, 1NT can work out better.

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Posted 2017-September-12, 14:39

since the hand has an easy opening bid, an easy rebid, some ability to play in NT if the auction ultimately heads that way, and avoids slightly misleading partner about the distribution, a 1 spade opening bid seems best.
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Posted 2017-September-13, 07:29

View Poststraube, on 2017-September-10, 23:08, said:

Playing teams and vul, playing 2/1 with 15-17 NT
KQxxx QJxx Kx AJ
Which would you open? Is it a clear error not to open one or the other? Is it close either way?

I rank
  • 1N = BAL 15-17. Shows this strength and protects the tenaces.
  • 1 = NAT 11+. Less of a distortion but your 2 rebid over partner's 1N reply might miss a game. Some unethical players rebid 2 slowly. A 1 opening bid would be fine if you play Gazzilli,

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Posted 2017-September-16, 01:14

1S always.1NT nowhere near it except a little wee bit at match points in a trailing session.
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Posted 2017-September-16, 02:06

1 all the way. I open 1N with 5422 hands unless both suits are majors. If suits are touching AND most of the points are in the long suits I'll open the 5 card suit
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Posted 2017-September-16, 02:55

1 no problem yet.
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Posted 2017-September-16, 03:49

View PostRedSpawn, on 2017-September-12, 07:56, said:

Usually 1NT open is reserved for a balanced hand not a semi-balanced hand. Two doubleton hands may not play well in an NT environment since short suits are liabilities. Also, with a hand that has two 4-card majors one should pursue a major fit with a 1 open. Report shape before points especially when you don't have the textbook shape for a proper 1NT open.


Could not agree more with the above! Regardless of the 5-4 major shape, IMO, 2 dbltns eliminates a 1NT bid for me.
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Posted 2017-September-16, 05:02

I can see that it's quite likely partner has a minor holding where a 1-1N start wrongsides the notrumps, and playing 2/1 I would be more likely to open 1N than playing a 5-9 1N response, but I think 1 is still better.
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Posted 2017-September-16, 07:11

View Poststraube, on 2017-September-10, 23:08, said:

Playing teams and vul, playing 2/1 with 15-17 NT

KQxxx QJxx Kx AJ

Which would you open? Is it a clear error not to open one or the other? Is it close either way?


This is ABC stuff. As a beginner you are taught to open your longest suit. Since the trump
suit is the most powerful,the more you have the better. So on the example hand it has to be 1
then rebid 2 showing 5-4 in the majors. 1NT openers should be reserved only for balanced hands.
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