[manudude03]

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IMPs scoring, strong opps. What's your call here?

[mike777]

2h no problem yet
weakest bid possible so far I promise zero..


change 7d to ten of d I pass

[apollo1201]

My partners tend to reopen as long as they are short, even minimal. Passing risks 180/380 (my D spots are really small), and that could be expensive even at IMPs.
I'll take my chances at 2S hoping opps let me crossruf the reds. Bidding at the 2-level looks safer than the 3-level with 3C. I hope partner doesn't rebid H next...

[rmnka447]

I think the choice is between pass and 2 ♥. As I've often said, when the hand is a misfit try to get out as cheaply as possible. Bidding a black suit will often just raise the level of the contract without improving anything.

Passing isn't so much about collecting a penalty as attempting to limit the losses. -180 or -380 might not look so bad versus a -500, -600, or -800 if you make a bid.

2 ♥ gets you out of 2 ♦x. But there's no guarantee partner will have anything better than a 5-1 fit. The only problem is if partner has a good hand and takes a push thinking there's a fit but not many points. (Partner ought to know that with a fit and a smattering of points you'd raise over 2 ♦ initially.)


My instinct is to pass.

[Winstonm]

2S and I don't think any other bid is close. Partner is supposed to reopen with shortness and has - we cannot punish him by making a non-penalty penalty pass so we have to bid. But what?

2H and a 5-1 is unappetizing. The 3-level seems insane. That only leaves 2S as the least of evils. Perhaps we will even survive this bid.

[gszes]

2s gets the up arrow since it is the only bid that makes for a scary penalty x for the opps. 3c might easily be the best contract but bidding 3c carries significant extra risk since it is FAR easier to x a contract at the 3 lvl than the 2 lvl. Not enough stuff to consider a pass here as we can very easily be hanging partner if they balanced with a min. Passing with this type of hand is a sure way of making sure partner will not reopen as much in the future causing us to miss many lucrative
legitimate penalty passes in the future. bidding 2h too scary for me since we may all too easily be convincing p we have some semblance of heart support even if weak

2s = 7
3c = 5
2h = 3/4
p = 2

[Palladian]

What does pard know about your hand? Your response was not *, 2H, 2S, 2N or 3C. So you do not have 3H or 10pts and 4 or 5S. Pard does not rebid H, and given she is strong enough to reopen must only have 5, so N is lurking with hearts. Nor does she have 4S and 17+. Has pard go a lot of clubs? If so why don't they bid them? Pard may think you have made a "trap pass". I'm passing and risking -180 v -200.
Don't forget N still has a bid!

[Left2Right]

Constraint files to the rescue once again.

Go to Penalty Pass Constraint.

This code lets you deal out lots of hands where you own a stack of the opponent's suit (4 or more). The pattern soon emerges as to just how ineffective a low level penalty pass will be when your spots are mainly from the lower half of the ranks (2 thru 8), even when you own five of them.

Also keep in mind that whatever you do, the auction isn't necessarily over. The pushy opponents may bid higher or into a different suit. The constraint will show you plenty of examples of this, too.

[The_Badger]

Partner's opened in 3rd vulnerable, and he's reopened with a X so he ain't going to be weak, but you have to trust him that he knows you will be. 2♠ is my bid. Passing 2♦ with poor trumps and a poor hand doesn't look like the winning option in my opinion.

[Cyberyeti]

Is partner more likely to be 3514 or 4513 ? Who knows. Pass may not be terrible if partner has A♥ as you may get 2 ruffs and a subsequent trump trick.

No way of knowing what's right here. I'd pass and accept I might have done the wrong thing. 2♥ in a 5-1, 2♠ in a 3-3 or 3♣ in a 4-3 are unattractive alternatives.

[GrahamJson]

I guess this is a LoTT issue. It looks like neither side has a fit of more than seven trumps, giving a total trump count of 14. So if oppo can make 2D, we will be two off in 2S. Similarly, if we can make 2S or 3C, oppo will be at least two off in 2D. And if 2D does make, it's only -180.

[wank]

if we bid we'll often be -200. -180 or -380 isn't a crisis in comparison and can easily work.

i detest bidding 3 card suits, particularly majors. when partner raises and you get doubled, you might start to hate it too.

[LBengtsson]

pass. partner shouldnt X with a bad hand.

[wank]

LBengtsson, on 2017-August-31, 10:37, said:

pass. partner shouldnt X with a bad hand.

yes he should

[neilkaz]

I pass reluctantly, thinking it the least bad option.

[Cyberyeti]

LBengtsson, on 2017-August-31, 10:37, said:

pass. partner shouldnt X with a bad hand.

With a singleton diamond, if he's opening, he's doubling (or bidding again)

[LBengtsson]

wank, on 2017-August-31, 11:16, said:

yes he should

why. you have passed two times

[Cyberyeti]

LBengtsson, on 2017-August-31, 11:53, said:

why. you have passed two times

Because next time I have ♦KJ109x and a 10 count

[marklaf]

I pass--I do not like two spades because partner knows I do not have 4 spades--unless I am very weak--no negative double-- and if partner is strong and has 4 spades 2 diamonds doubled may be the best spot-- Frankly the auction could have been 1h-3d.... now passing is even more frightening--I can live with -180.

[LBengtsson]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-August-31, 13:17, said:

Because next time I have ♦KJ109x and a 10 count

a good player dont overcall on aqxxx red with passed partner. kqt9x and 10 points.fantasy.