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#1 User is offline   diana_eva 

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Posted 2017-August-13, 21:29

IMPs, vul vs not



What would you bid?

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Posted 2017-August-13, 21:34

View Postdiana_eva, on 2017-August-13, 21:29, said:

IMPs, vul vs not

What would you bid?


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Posted 2017-August-14, 02:25

Dbl is negative for most players here, and your red vs. white so 3NT it is for me too.
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Posted 2017-August-14, 13:08

View Postdiana_eva, on 2017-August-13, 21:29, said:


IMPs, vul vs not
What would you bid?

I rank
  • 3N = NAT. 11 HCP and a couple of stops.
  • Pass = NAT, If partner has a reasonable opener, he will protect,
  • 4 = NAT. Even if partner has shown 4+ s, this seems inferior.

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Posted 2017-August-14, 13:49

You are on the cusp of not being strong enough to bid game now, but there are several reasons why the very slight overbid of 3N is the clearly correct (imo) choice.

Your partner may not be able/willing to reopen at the 3-level even with a hand on which 3N is a good contract. I would expect a reopening double most of the time but not all of the time.

Your partner may have a powerful hand, with which he would probe for slam over an immediate 3N but be reluctant to push over a delayed 3N. Should he move over 3N, I would be delighted to accept since my hand is huge for a diamond slam.

Generally speaking, when the choice is between slight aggression and slight conservatism, at imps, the aggressive choice (for game bidding) is usually the better choice.

Aces are undervalued in standard point count valuation, and the heart holding, for notrump purposes, is far more powerful than '4 points', while for diamond slam purposes the Ace is usually worth more than say the KQ (unless West is void, of course).

When I describe 3N as a slight overbid, it is within the context of a method on which one opens most 11 counts. If one passes most 11 counts, so that partner has at least 12 most of the time, then I don't see this as even a slight overbid.
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Posted 2017-August-14, 18:13

3NT - even if partner held up a sign saying "I promise to reopen with X" it's not clear we'll collect enough. Of course partner could have a MIN and game isn't there, but that should be far and away the exception, especially given our diamonds.

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Posted 2017-August-20, 12:24

3 NT for me, also. It's the most likely game and you are vulnerable. Partner doesn't have many , so partner's should be a real suit.
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Posted 2017-August-20, 13:00

View Postrmnka447, on 2017-August-20, 12:24, said:

3 NT for me, also. It's the most likely game and you are vulnerable. Partner doesn't have many , so partner's should be a real suit.


This reminds me of a hand that turned up in a recent tournament. If it's like that one, partner's hand turns out to be something like KQJx, J(x), AKxxxx, x(x) and they cash 6 clubs with 5 cold. Ours was slightly different in that 6m was cold.
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Posted 2017-August-20, 13:32

View PostCyberyeti, on 2017-August-20, 13:00, said:

This reminds me of a hand that turned up in a recent tournament. If it's like that one, partner's hand turns out to be something like KQJx, J(x), AKxxxx, x(x) and they cash 6 clubs with 5 cold. Ours was slightly different in that 6m was cold.

Unfortunately, preempts do work. You get only one shot to place the contract and partner might have something like KQx xx AKxxx Qxx where 3 NT makes but 5 doesn't. Pay your money, take your choice.
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Posted 2017-August-20, 13:52

View Postrmnka447, on 2017-August-20, 13:32, said:

Unfortunately, preempts do work. You get only one shot to place the contract and partner might have something like KQx xx AKxxx Qxx where 3 NT makes but 5 doesn't. Pay your money, take your choice.


I agree, and yes I would bid 3N too btw
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Posted 2017-August-20, 19:59

Vul games are nice at IMPs. Double stoppers are nice. I will take my chances and hope I can make 3NT.
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