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#1 User is offline   diana_eva 

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Posted 2017-August-13, 21:08

IMPs, all vul:



Do something now? Would you have bid earlier? If so, what?

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Posted 2017-August-13, 21:38

View Postdiana_eva, on 2017-August-13, 21:08, said:

IMPs, all vul:

Do something now? Would you have bid earlier? If so, what?


1-Yes, DBL
2- Yes, 2. This is the overcall you should consider a lot over 1 opening because it screws up their auction a lot.
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Posted 2017-August-15, 03:37

Double now.

Imo bidding initially is insane. Agree with Timo that you should strive to overcall 2C over 1D where possible but doing it with a flat hand and a bad 5 card suit is asking for -1100
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Posted 2017-August-15, 04:08

Agree with both MrAce and broze. If ever there is an opening auction where poker-style like bidding comes into play this is it. An initial overcall of 2 may occasionally go down heavily, but it sticks a firm spanner in the opponents' bidding. Personally prefer to be 5-4-3-1 than 5-4-2-2 though.

With a passed partner this 2 bid is usually lead directional at best, but there's a simple rule to follow here too.

A passed partner bids up to the appropriate limit of LOTT taking vulnerability into consideration: any further action is at the discretion of the overcaller always.
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Posted 2017-August-15, 19:10

View Postdiana_eva, on 2017-August-13, 21:08, said:


IMPs, all vul:
Do something now? Would you have bid earlier? If so, what?

Over 1, I rank
  • 1N = ART. Raptor by agreement. Over 1m that can be 3 cards or less, this can show either m + either M. Might be unsound but still fun.
  • Pass = NAT. Safe
  • 2 = NAT. Disruptive but too courageous for many, with a poor 5 card suit, vul, at imps.
  • 1 = NAT. Prefer a better suit, even if your style is to overcall 4 card suits.
  • 2N = ART. UNT. Misdescrptive and foolhardy

Over 2, I rank
  • Double = T/O. by agreement (Without agreement, the danger is that partner might treat it as penalty)
  • 2 = NAT. If you overcall freely, at the 1-level, on 5 card suits, partner might be able to read this.
  • Pass = NAT

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Posted 2017-August-16, 01:37

View Postnige1, on 2017-August-15, 19:10, said:


  • 2 = NAT. Disruptive but too courageous for many, with a poor 5 card suit, vul, at imps.


View Postbroze, on 2017-August-15, 03:37, said:

Double now.

.....and a bad 5 card suit is asking for -1100



AQ972 is neither a poor nor a bad 5 card suit. It is not a good suit for sure, but imo "poor" "bad" are overstatements. It is a normal suit with 2 top honors and not disappointing spot cards.
When you guys use both "5 card" and "poor/bad" in same sentence, you are overstating your point imo because you already mentioned that it is a 5 card suit.
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Posted 2017-August-16, 05:08

X marks the spot

There is a VERY strong chance the auction is about to die out and partner may have a flawed hand to back in (think 4 hearts and xx in clubs as an example). The fact that lho is a passed hand increases the chance p has a reasonable holding. 2H is off mark and should be saved for hands that were unable to take action the first time around (K432 876432 Q Kx). Having 2 possible places to play greatly reduces the risk factor.
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Posted 2017-August-20, 11:58

Sorry, but I'm bidding a "disruptive" 2 over 1 initially. It makes it more difficult for the opponents to sort out any major fits, they may have. With LHO being a passed hand, there's less danger of a phone number penalty double of 2 and a pretty good likelihood it will be a part score hand.

If partner finds a raise to 3 over LHO opponent's negative double, the opponents will have to sort it out at the three level.
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Posted 2017-August-21, 16:54

View Postrmnka447, on 2017-August-20, 11:58, said:

Sorry, but I'm bidding a "disruptive" 2 over 1 initially. It makes it more difficult for the opponents to sort out any major fits, they may have. With LHO being a passed hand, there's less danger of a phone number penalty double of 2 and a pretty good likelihood it will be a part score hand.

If partner finds a raise to 3 over LHO opponent's negative double, the opponents will have to sort it out at the three level.

Same for me!
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Posted 2017-August-22, 08:59

View Postnige1, on 2017-August-15, 19:10, said:


Over 2, I rank
  • Double = T/O. by agreement (Without agreement, the danger is that partner might treat it as penalty)


I'm glad someone mentions that possibility. I would go further and say I would expect it to be for penalty unless you have agreed it is for T/O (since you have already had an opportunity to make a T/O double of and you are not in the protective seat).
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