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can double michaels for pen but not the runout

#1 User is offline   Stephen Tu 

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Posted 2017-August-02, 23:31



Apparently can't double with 5 trumps or 4 trumps because partner will pull.
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Posted 2017-August-03, 13:08

Why have initial X penalty if it isn't possible to double later. Might as well make it takeout or support.
In other words get rid of unusual vs unusual
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Posted 2017-August-04, 01:22

View PostStephen Tu, on 2017-August-02, 23:31, said:



Apparently can't double with 5 trumps or 4 trumps because partner will pull.


Another extreme example of "Gib cannot bid"
What Bidding logic places North in control. Surely by this point in the bidding North knows 4+ D 2- H and less than 3 clubs. What perverse logic removes this obvious penalty double into a take out on a 7 card fit?

How do you beat your partner?

Either defend the contract undoubled.......not good bridge at all, or risk a rubbish contract.

Thanks Partner.......
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Posted 2017-August-04, 05:36

Penalizing with Gib is a real crap shoot. Here the bidding system is designed to extract a penalty on hands like this.
But Gib can't co-operate.
Anytime I have triedI have tried to make a penalty double below game you have no idea it you can pull it off even if the description indicates penalty.
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