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Posted 2017-April-18, 03:08

It has been discussed a lot about stopping the old Windows Version substituting it by an unfinished, slow and clumsy new web version, that was forced upon all BBO Players. As for my opinion (still unquestioned) this happened to allow the access of advertising robots powered by Flash plugin.

Now whe have the ridiculous situation, that we are expelled way more often than before by a bad connection and server overload and when it runs stable we have blinking adds disturbing concentration, which most frequently praises womens lingerie!

How can we get a site dedicated only to Bridge again?
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Posted 2017-April-18, 04:40

I don't see how you conclude that your opinion is "still unquestioned". My reading of your recent posts is that they add no new points to ones that you have repeated on a few occasions over the last few months, of which the earlier postings were I see "questioned".

It may be true that your later repetitions have been largely ignored, but Barmar responded to these points when originally aired in http://tinyurl.com/k4qclaz and subsequent posts in that thread.

While you are at liberty not to accept his replies, it would be incorrect to conclude that your opinion is "unquestioned", just as it would be incorrect to draw that conclusion from a lack of response to your later repetitions. It could simply be that no-one can be bothered to issue repeated rebuttals that add nothing to earlier rebuttals to identical points.

Incidentally, I expect you to accept that BBO requires a source of finance to continue its operations, whatever platform is provided. The obvious sources are advertising or direct subscription. In the latter case at a cost of just US$0.25 per week you can do away with the advertising. As well as being perhaps a desirable end in itself, the act of suppressing the transmission of advertising may well have a beneficial impact on the other performance-related grievances that you hold (I am only speculating on that).
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Posted 2017-April-21, 09:36

View Post1eyedjack, on 2017-April-18, 04:40, said:

I don't see how you conclude that your opinion is "still unquestioned". My reading of your recent posts is that they add no new points to ones that you have repeated on a few occasions over the last few months, of which the earlier postings were I see "questioned".

It may be true that your later repetitions have been largely ignored, but Barmar responded to these points when originally aired in http://tinyurl.com/k4qclaz and subsequent posts in that thread.

While you are at liberty not to accept his replies, it would be incorrect to conclude that your opinion is "unquestioned", just as it would be incorrect to draw that conclusion from a lack of response to your later repetitions. It could simply be that no-one can be bothered to issue repeated rebuttals that add nothing to earlier rebuttals to identical points.

Incidentally, I expect you to accept that BBO requires a source of finance to continue its operations, whatever platform is provided. The obvious sources are advertising or direct subscription. In the latter case at a cost of just US$0.25 per week you can do away with the advertising. As well as being perhaps a desirable end in itself, the act of suppressing the transmission of advertising may well have a beneficial impact on the other performance-related grievances that you hold (I am only speculating on that).


Well, that's fiddling a new melody here! On my early complaints (not the only one!) nobody stated that the ads were vital for BBOs maintenance. Instead we were told that the problems were due to our own configurations, that web version is much better than the old one, that it was too much of a problem to manage 2 versions at the same time etc.

As for stability, the blinking ads (Flash crap) are a nuisance to every player because web access becomes unstable and crashes. How boring for anyone who wants to play more than 3 Hands with the same people!

Short: Establishing a new platform has degraded play on BBO because technical problems are unsolved!

I hope you find a way to fix it and that we will be informed about it, with no fake excuses. :-)
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Posted 2017-April-21, 12:09

View PostOvis, on 2017-April-21, 09:36, said:

I hope you find a way to fix it

If by "you" you mean me, that ain't gonna happen. Unless I get my job application in (and it is viewed favourably) :)

BTW not that it means anything, but I personally have not encountered much in the way of connection issues, nor (generally, with a few exceptions) have others at tables where I have been present. At least no more than my recollection of the problems formerly encountered with the Windows download. That said, I don't get any adverts. Whether those two matters are causally connected I can only speculate.

I have no idea whether the adverts contribute to disconnections. It was you who expressed that concern, and I merely pointed out that the concern, whether valid or not, can be put to bed by eliminating the adverts at a trivial cost (and with potentially additional benefits).

It would be quite nice if BBO kept some statistics on whether disconnections are disproportionately prevalent among those who volunteer to receive adverts through their interface.
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Posted 2017-April-25, 01:23

View Post1eyedjack, on 2017-April-21, 12:09, said:

If by "you" you mean me, that ain't gonna happen. Unless I get my job application in (and it is viewed favourably) :)

BTW not that it means anything, but I personally have not encountered much in the way of connection issues, nor (generally, with a few exceptions) have others at tables where I have been present. At least no more than my recollection of the problems formerly encountered with the Windows download. That said, I don't get any adverts. Whether those two matters are causally connected I can only speculate.

I have no idea whether the adverts contribute to disconnections. It was you who expressed that concern, and I merely pointed out that the concern, whether valid or not, can be put to bed by eliminating the adverts at a trivial cost (and with potentially additional benefits).

It would be quite nice if BBO kept some statistics on whether disconnections are disproportionately prevalent among those who volunteer to receive adverts through their interface.


Pausing because BBO not only threw me out in the middle of a game but is unavailable since! I have no problem with advertising but a problem with lack of honest information. To pamper the platform with blinking ads, the administrators chose to rely on Flash technology. Everybody knows that this is not only insecure and an open door for hackers but also that its main goal is to track the user, leading to more advertising, spam and what else nuisances on the web there are.

So it was decided to rely on the worst sh... of a software plugin, putting at risk the enthusiasm of players. Besides the communications and affirmations expressed (you can read them) were, that everything would be better than before, that the reason for change was merely downsizing the maintenance effort and so on. When problems were stated by many players the suggestion answered were that they should care for their system.

End of discussion. As many BBO fans, who are not writing their opinion here, I feel frustrated and take the liberty to criticize what happened!
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Posted 2017-April-25, 08:35

View PostOvis, on 2017-April-25, 01:23, said:

So it was decided to rely on the worst sh... of a software plugin, putting at risk the enthusiasm of players.

The decision to use Flash was made over a decade ago. At the time, the choice was between Flash and Java -- HTML+Javascript was not capable of meeting the needs at that time. The decision turned out to be right, as Java has a far worse reputation than Flash.

I don't think advertising had much to do with the decision. The old version also has ads, and it wasn't until a couple of years ago that we started using outside ad networks in the web version.

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Posted 2017-April-25, 13:07

View PostOvis, on 2017-April-25, 01:23, said:

End of discussion.
It seems not. Much as you might wish it, that is not your call.

I have a theory that those who insist on the last word and in so doing unilaterally claim the right to curtail further debate thereby concede defeat.
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Posted 2017-April-26, 10:06

View Postbarmar, on 2017-April-25, 08:35, said:

The decision to use Flash was made over a decade ago. At the time, the choice was between Flash and Java -- HTML+Javascript was not capable of meeting the needs at that time. The decision turned out to be right, as Java has a far worse reputation than Flash.

I don't think advertising had much to do with the decision. The old version also has ads, and it wasn't until a couple of years ago that we started using outside ad networks in the web version.


If you share the opinion that as well Flash as Java are not the utmost solution, why not leave good old Windows version for quite some time?

The old version had very discreet and unobtrusive ads. The new one now is open to any tracking tool in the global web and pulls the ads from focussed servers that adequate to your geographic region. It is more, increased blinking and invited by the bad browser Internet Explorer and Flash to spy on you wiht the help of cookies etc. If you try to stop it or to switch tracking off: forget using BBO because your Connection crashes all the time.
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Posted 2017-April-26, 10:15

View Post1eyedjack, on 2017-April-25, 13:07, said:

It seems not. Much as you might wish it, that is not your call.

I have a theory that those who insist on the last word and in so doing unilaterally claim the right to curtail further debate thereby concede defeat.


OK. Welcome to the skills of Saturday evenings rhetorics course for housewifes...

I dont want to have last word nor came here to fight. I just wanted to offer my views about this matter, that bothers me and many others on BBO. As I get no better arguments to explain it, instead of diverting excuses, I may as well stop discussion.

Feel free to write whatever you want, to be sure you had last word.
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