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This was in a newspaper some time ago

#1 User is offline   Lord Molyb 

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Posted 2013-January-06, 12:55


Spot cards approximated.
How do you bid this?
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Posted 2013-January-06, 13:14

No idea.
I open 7 on the surmise that nobody is likely to have a major holding sufficient for other than a very risky 7, and that a 4-1-1 / 4-0-2 club distribution sounds more likely than a 5-1-1 / 5-0-2 diamond split. No doubt someone will tell us.
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Posted 2013-January-06, 13:14

Cannot let the opponents get a sacrifice...pick your poison for grand...although opening 7D may just say your an idiot if you let us have this...
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Posted 2013-January-06, 15:03

Depends a lot on opponents, I tend to open 7, but opening 1 to rebid 7 against passive opponents is maybe better
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Posted 2013-January-07, 04:41

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-06, 15:03, said:

Depends a lot on opponents, I tend to open 7, but opening 1 to rebid 7 against passive opponents is maybe better

Do you really think that with distributions as they will be, opponents are going to be passive???

I would much rather get in quickly BEFORE they discover they have a 2-suited fit.
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Posted 2013-January-07, 14:30

View PostfromageGB, on 2013-January-06, 13:14, said:

No idea.
I open 7 on the surmise that nobody is likely to have a major holding sufficient for other than a very risky 7, and that a 4-1-1 / 4-0-2 club distribution sounds more likely than a 5-1-1 / 5-0-2 diamond split. No doubt someone will tell us.

I believe you need both suits to split to make 7, so which one you are in is rather immaterial.

In an effort to keep opponents from saccing at the 7 level, I think I would start with 2 and make normal sounding forcing bids until I bid 7 of one of them.
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Posted 2013-January-07, 14:49

2C-2D-7D so you can go to the bar.
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Posted 2013-January-07, 14:56

Either 7 or some plan that involves blackwood at some point to make sure that I don't miss 7N, and to make the opponents think that the wheels may have come off when they have a "cashing" ace.
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Posted 2013-January-07, 17:57

View PostfromageGB, on 2013-January-07, 04:41, said:

Do you really think that with distributions as they will be, opponents are going to be passive???

You might be suprised how balanced opponents can be when you have a 7-6 AND I never said opponents would stay silent, read my post again, some opponents would never ever bid a grand on defence, so it doesn't matter at all what they hold or bid.
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Posted 2013-January-07, 18:32

7D. Don't overthink the hand.
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Posted 2013-January-07, 19:41

Open 1, and plan to rebid 7.Is this a good idea?
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Posted 2013-January-07, 20:40

View Postlycier, on 2013-January-07, 19:41, said:

Open 1, and plan to rebid 7.Is this a good idea?

What if LHO had 1-8-1-3 and RHO had something like AKxxxxx Axxx x x? They could easily bid to 7 hearts, crowding you out of your minors.
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Posted 2013-January-07, 20:53

I remember a trials back in 1990 when John Hobson held:

- AKQJxx AKJxxxx -

He opened 7 on the rationale that opponents may fail to lead a trump when partner is 1-1 in the reds. The auction proceeded: pass pass 7 double, and the opponents went for 2000. No big deal, you might think, except that LHO had passed over 7 with ten, nine to seven hearts!

So this is my question: how many of you play a double of 7 for take-out?
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Posted 2013-January-07, 20:56

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-January-07, 20:53, said:

I remember a trials back in 1990 when John Hobson held:

- AKQJxx AKJxxxx -

He opened 7 on the rationale that opponents may fail to lead a trump when partner is 1-1 in the reds. The auction proceeded: pass pass 7 double, and the opponents went for 2000. No big deal, you might think, except that LHO had passed over 7 with ten, nine to seven hearts!

So this is my question: how many of you play a double of 7 for take-out?

you're saying his LHO had 109xxxxx and didn't double 7?! :blink:
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Posted 2013-January-07, 21:00

View PostLord Molyb, on 2013-January-07, 20:56, said:

you're saying his LHO had 109xxxxx and didn't double 7?! :blink:


Yep - he explained afterwards that if he doubled it should show a desire to sacrifice in 7, but catering for partner holding a trump trick.

On the same rationale, his partner should have doubled to show long spades (rather than Lightner) ...

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Posted 2013-January-07, 21:43

I think opening 7 is obvious - how else can we insure we win the 13th trick with the 7! :D
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Posted 2013-January-08, 00:07

View PostSteveMoe, on 2013-January-07, 21:43, said:

I think opening 7 is obvious - how else can we insure we win the 13th trick with the 7! :D


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Posted 2013-January-08, 03:42

View PostLord Molyb, on 2013-January-07, 20:40, said:

What if LHO had 1-8-1-3 and RHO had something like AKxxxxx Axxx x x? They could easily bid to 7 hearts, crowding you out of your minors.

They can always bid 7 over whatever, cherry picking full hands is absurd, but picking a minor suit not to break its much more reasonable, opponents defending is bad, but going down when you could make it is much worse.
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Posted 2013-January-08, 03:45

This hand reminds me of one we had in the club a couple years ago, don't remember exactly, but mostly it was that if AKQxxxx were running 12 tricks were cold and 13 possible.

A player who had been playing for 25 years stayed at 4 spades. I think she just counted her points and added some for the shape or something like.

BTW If I ever see this kind of club player open 7 of something I would insta bid 7 of something higher.
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Posted 2013-January-08, 04:05

If I ever play against you, I'll be sure to open 7 on nothing :)
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