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When would you cue a shortage in partner's suit?

#1 User is offline   zenbiddist 

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Posted 2017-March-28, 00:35

When would you cue bid a shortage in a suit partner has shown?

The only examples I can think of are splinters and exclusion - but am I missing some spots?

I ask because I thought cues in partner's suits were made with things, not shortages. However, a friend questioned this approach, so I thought I'd ask experts and see if I'm missing something. Thanks
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Posted 2017-March-28, 01:18

You should do it if your partner's "suit" is a minor I guess? Any jump should certainly be a splinter but possibly also after a jump raise (in case CHO has 18-19 balanced with xxx or something). Sorry, no answers here, just questions.
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Posted 2017-March-28, 02:12

at a 2nd opportunity.
At the 1st opportunity, I would cue honors in his suit,
having denied usefull honors in the suit by bypassing the
cue, at the 2nd I will cue a shortage.

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Marlowe

PS: I am answering, but I dont consider myself an expert.
With kind regards
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Posted 2017-March-28, 18:47

Nick Jacob gave me a very thoughtful answer:

"The actual cuebid is becoming less important in today's bidding theory. The priorities are
1) establish fit including specific trump length
2) establish degree of interest (eg none, some, lots)
3) describe where shortness is
4) only now check that all suits are under control

I don't have hard and fast rules about cuebidding shortness in mate's suit. Here are some things I might consider:

- Do we need a side source of tricks for slam? If so I would be reluctant to cue shortness if partner thinks it will fill in his suit.
- Is it control in one suit or another that I particularly need for slam? In this case I will be more than happy to cuebid my shortness to give partner extra room to make the cuebid I need to hear
- How real is his suit? on an auction like 1D - 1H; 3D - 4D; I will not be worried about cuebidding a heart shortage, he could just have four kinda motley hearts here."
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Posted 2017-April-01, 07:06

View Postzenbiddist, on 2017-March-28, 18:47, said:

I don't have hard and fast rules about cuebidding shortness in mate's suit. Here are some things I might consider:

You answered your own question? Was this meant as a lesson for the experts in the audience?
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Posted 2017-April-01, 21:19

For me its only when im 100% sure that partner got 5+ that a cue is A,K or Q.

This goes well with a style where 1M--2C is artificial could be 2 cards.

Im fairly convinced that facing a 4 card suit its better A,K or singleton than A,K or Q.

1S--2C
2H--2S
3D- ?? (opener is 5431)

assumign that opener got lousy H.

Hxxx

For me its quite frequent to ruff once or twice and manage to discard some of the H.
However facing holding like Qxx slam will be unlikely.

If the H are good like

AQxx than for sure knowing the K would be a great plus however a singleton is still good.
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Posted 2017-April-09, 22:18

View PostZelandakh, on 2017-April-01, 07:06, said:

You answered your own question? Was this meant as a lesson for the experts in the audience?


If you read the intro to the paragraph you'll see I'm quoting Nick Jacob. Asking rhetorically then answering would be quite a funny thing to do :)
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Posted 2017-April-10, 03:38

My first answer was that I would never cue shortage in partner's suit, but I quickly found an exception: When one of the opponents has bid the suit naturally or shown it in any other way. e.g.:


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Posted 2017-April-10, 05:29

1-1-3-5 is obvious exclusion in partner's suit for us, whether it is for you or not, should be a void.
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Posted 2017-April-10, 07:04

Maybe Eddie Wold could persuade you: http://bridgewinners...=445002#c445002

Alleged by some who should know to favor 3S as a shortage cue after 1S-2H/3H.
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Posted 2017-April-12, 16:35

I would often consider cueing when we have a 10-card trump fit, especially if it's 5-5. We might well be able to ruff the suit good then.
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