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## Fourth suit transfers Alternative to FSF

### #1Kungsgeten

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Posted 2017-March-11, 17:21

In Francesco Paolo Sallustio's book "Jump Bidding" (available on http://www.bridgewithdan.com/systems for free) he mentions a method where instead of fourth suit forcing you can use transfers, starting with the fourth suit. I hadn't heard of that idea before, but I kind off like the thought of it (describing with the fourth bid, rather than asking). He plays transfers at the two-level as weak / GF and as invitational or slammish at the three-level. An example:

1H--1S; 2C---
2D = Hearts, weak or GF
2H = Spades preference, weak or GF
2S = Balanced INV+
2NT = Clubs, INV+
3C = Diamonds, INV+ (strance bid, could perhaps be a courtesy raise instead)
3D = Hearts, INV or slammish
3H = Spades, INV or slammish

The main problem to me seems to be finding a stopper in the fourth suit. Has anyone of you tried this, or thought about it?
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### #2spotlight7

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Posted 2017-March-11, 22:43

1H--1S; 2C---
2D = Hearts, weak or GF
2H = Spades preference, weak or GF
2S = Balanced INV+
2NT = Clubs, INV+
3C = Diamonds, INV+ (strance bid, could perhaps be a courtesy raise instead)
3D = Hearts, INV or slammish
3H = Spades, INV or slammish

The main problem to me seems to be finding a stopper in the fourth suit. Has anyone of you tried this, or thought about it?
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Perhaps 2D* can be used for Hs, weak or GF "or" 3Ss weak or GF

That would free up 2H* as 4th suit forcing so you can find a stopper.

You might also exchange the meaning of 2S* and 2N* to avoid anti positional NT bidding.
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### #3Zelandakh

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Posted 2017-March-20, 04:56

Kungsgeten, on 2017-March-11, 17:21, said:

The main problem to me seems to be finding a stopper in the fourth suit. Has anyone of you tried this, or thought about it?

2 followed by 3 would presumably be a stopper ask in this structure so I do not think that that should be considered to be the main problem with it.
(-: Zel :-)
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### #4straube

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Posted 2017-March-21, 09:08

After 1H-1S, 2C opener has described 9 of his suit cards while responder has described 4 cards. It makes more sense for 2D to ask for further description of the better known hand than as a puppet to allow responder to describe his lesser known hand. The more that one hand has been described vs the other, the more it should be enabled to continue to describe.
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