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What would you do ... & avoid the wrath of partner.

Poll: Bid and opening lead questions (33 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your bid choice?

  1. Pass (21 votes [63.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.64%

  2. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 4 Clubs (11 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. Other (1 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

If you pass or double, what is your opening lead?

  1. Club (15 votes [45.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.45%

  2. Diamond (6 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  3. Heart (9 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  4. Spade (3 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

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#1 User is offline   silvr bull 

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Posted 2017-February-25, 03:45

My partner in an individual castigated me unmercifully because I did --.This is your chance to either confirm his insults, or to offer me some solace.


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Posted 2017-February-25, 04:09

IMPs or pairs?
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Posted 2017-February-25, 04:25

This session was Master Points. If IMPs would have different results, a comment about IMP decisions would also be welcome.
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Posted 2017-February-25, 07:33

I'm in for 4 at both games, much more offence than defence and won't be surprised if my indy partner is nowhere close to owning that 3 bid or even 1 for that matter but they didn't pass it out although they often should have.
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Posted 2017-February-25, 10:25

View Postsilvr bull, on 2017-February-25, 03:45, said:

My partner in an individual castigated me unmercifully because I did --.This is your chance to either confirm his insults...



I have major issues with both your partner and you but more with him/her.

I don't like the double of 3S. The Law of Total Tricks says that there are 18 or 19 total tricks (tricks your side can make in clubs plus tricks their side can make in spades.) Your side has 9 or 10 clubs, their side appears to have 9 spades (East didn't compete to 3S so give him 5 but West did so give him 4.) Furthermore, you have the cards in your long suits which means that the Law understates the total tricks; for example, if your high cards were the Q and the AJ, your hand would look more defensively oriented than this one (not enough that I would double 3S) and the expected total tricks would be smaller.

That being said, unless this was close to the last board of the event, your partner probably cost your side more matchpoints than you did. Assuming a 12 top, you may have cost 7 or 8 matchpoints but your partner castigating you likely cost your side many more than that as you were at least subconsciously thinking about that board rather than the one you were actually playing, and he/she gets the charge for any errors you made later in the event.
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Posted 2017-February-25, 15:43

I think I told my story with my previous bid. I'm at the top range but partner's bid did not ask me for further information so I pass at all forms of scoring.

Note: I have been wrong before.
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Posted 2017-February-25, 16:28

I would have bid 3C on the prior round.
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Posted 2017-February-25, 20:14

Abstain. 2 is a horrible bid that lead us here.
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Posted 2017-February-25, 21:22

3C the first time was better, but I pass here, especially at IMPs since 4S might be cold
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Posted 2017-February-25, 22:25

View PostPhil, on 2017-February-25, 16:28, said:

I would have bid 3C on the prior round.


Me too and on all days that end in Y in English.
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Posted 2017-February-26, 00:17

Moral of the story: When you have a hand that's only worth one bid, you'd better make good use of it...
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Posted 2017-February-26, 00:41

With all due respect to the posters who focus on jumping to 3C instead of the specified 2C bid, I agree that 3C is what I would bid with a good partner. However, this is an Individual! On BBO!!! If you have not played many of those lately, you may be surprised to discover that the CHO can have much less bridge skill or reasoning ability than you would guess, no matter how pessimistic you might try to be. For many CHOs, a jump to 3C would be an automatic transfer for the CHO to bid 3NT if he had anything resembling a possible S stop. As the ops then take their 7 tricks, CHO will complain that you do not have the 13 points your 3C bid promised!

Although I agree that 3C would be a better call with a good partner, 2C is a much safer bid in an individual. On BBO!!
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Posted 2017-February-26, 00:42

If you want to tell yourself you did the right thing, you can do that without making a forum thread.
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Posted 2017-February-26, 00:47

Thanks for the helpful and friendly advice, but I do not need help with the initial 2C bid. This thread is about the two questions in the op. Additional comments are welcome, of course, but the 2C bid is not the focus of this thread.
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Posted 2017-February-26, 02:27

Partner freely bid 3, I have an extremely offensive shape, and we are green, so I'd bid 4, catching up from my prior misbid, which I understand was considered safer facing an unknown partner...but next time you do this, you'll find a partner who plays it as inverted even after intervention :lol:!
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Posted 2017-February-26, 04:35

I, personally, feel that being a passed hand I would have bid 2Spade and not 2Club on the earlier round.Not only does it show a shortness in spades but also a massive fit in club suit,and 8 loser hand.Hence I abstain .
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Posted 2017-February-26, 07:52

I think it is close, and your partner was wrong to criticise you if you passed or bid 4C. I voted for Pass, just, as I feared that 4S might be on or, on the other hand, bidding could be exchanging a plus for a minus.Yes, I know these are contrary considerations but in an Individual almost anything could be going on, unless you know the field to be strong, which is unlikely on BBO.

And yes, I would have bid 3C or 2S earlier although I understand why that wasn't done.
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Posted 2017-February-26, 08:08

View Postsilvr bull, on 2017-February-26, 00:47, said:

I do not need help with the initial 2C bid.


No kidding. I play in a lot of indies and it's a Forrest Gump thing, like a box of chocolates.

It's as different a game as playing with robots and bidding 2 or 3 is leading with your chin unless it's later in the round and your partner has shown a real pulse. I never play with robots and am curious as to what GIB might do, especially with the cue bid.
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Posted 2017-February-26, 08:48

View Postsilvr bull, on 2017-February-25, 03:45, said:

My partner in an individual castigated me unmercifully because I did --.This is your chance to either confirm his insults, or to offer me some solace.



On the auction given,I would pass and hope we had pushed the opposition overboard. As for the lead,unhesitatingly it has
to be the 9 Safe and giving nothing away.
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Posted 2017-February-26, 17:19

I hate the 2c call for various reasons but I will deal with the set of conditions as presented. I opted for pass mainly because bidding 4c just all too easily will force our side to bid 5c if/when the opps bid 4s. We have enough offense to consider 4c but not enough defence to beat up 4s (maybe zero defence). Opening lead will be the club A mainly because I have zero clue how to defend this 3s contract and maybe I can stay on lead and have a better clue when dummy hits. There is also too great a chance the club A could be lost if not taken immediately. Your partner probably knows u are short in spades (after the 3s bid) yet they chose pass so bidding on because you have short spades is not a good reason at this point since we have no clue why p bid 3c in the first place.
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