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Posted 2017-February-13, 15:44

JTxxxx
akx
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4th seat all white MP after 3 passes

I opened 1N because it was the BBO weeklong thing and why not but is it actually terrible bridge?

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Posted 2017-February-13, 18:28

View Posteagles123, on 2017-February-13, 15:44, said:

but is it actually terrible bridge?

No. Thinking only one move ahead (1) is terrible bridge.
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Posted 2017-February-13, 18:44

View Posteagles123, on 2017-February-13, 15:44, said:

I opened 1N because it was the BBO weeklong thing and why not but is it actually terrible bridge?

What I like about it is that the alternatives are just as bad. If you open 1 and get a response of 1NT or 2, 3 would be an overbid and if you stay at 2 you may easily miss game. So unless partner is easily irritated, why not show your points by opening 1NT with a 6-card major as bad as that? So far my robot partners haven't yelled at me.
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Posted 2017-February-13, 20:30

I would definitely open 1.
Having seen and made myself so many terrible bids and plays, opening this 1 NT is not one of them though.
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Posted 2017-February-13, 21:47

The problem with 1N to me is that the spade length is not that valuable missing so many top honor but it is worth a lot in spades even opposite xx support as it represents not only tricks but control.

As to looking ahead, I think it is fairly easy - rebid 2S - it isn't all that great of hand; or bid 3S if you can't stand 2S. Either way, I think emphasizing the spade suit is what needs to be done.
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Posted 2017-February-13, 22:28

1N isnt horrible. Its not like we have a great rebid after 1S 1N. But id open 1S and hope to survive.
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Posted 2017-February-13, 22:40

Semi-serious question: Do you show your six-card major over Stayman? Partner is almost certainly looking for hearts and denying a 4-card major could lead to some pretty humorous defense against 3NT.
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Posted 2017-February-14, 01:25

If the suit was a minor suit, 1 NT would be absolutely right. You wouldn't want to have bid 1 m then jump rebid 3 m on that suit.

With a premium on major suit fits, I not sure that it is right with a bad 6 card major. But then again if you use the "one card off" approach of considering what bid would be appropriate if one of the were a card in another suit. I don't think most people would have a problem opening 1 NT with J10xxx AKx KQ Kxx or similar.

But maybe the best thing is to also consider possible auctions after 1 NT. Stayman is easy. But how about transfers? Would partner take a 2 rebid over a 2 transfer to 2 to show ? How about minor suit transfers or even an invitational 2 NT/game forcing 3 NT raise? If you feel you can land on your feet after such auctions, then 1 NT seems OK. If not, 1 might be better.

Personally, I'd probably bid 1 and continue 2 over a Forcing NT. If partner makes any noise over 2 , then I would come to life. That's following the old adage that "You can add value to a hand later in the auction, but it's near impossible to ever subtract values." This hand would be at the bottom edge of a jump rebid hand, at best. So a slight underbid probably gets you in less trouble than pushing the value of the hand.
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Posted 2017-February-14, 01:46

rmnka447 said it perfectly. Apparently, there are few things one can do in the long BBO tournaments that are terrible bridge. I bid the South hand below to a normal 6D in a Daylong tournament. That was a good result, but the guy in 6NT scored better. His auction is shown below. Now that is terrible bridge!


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Posted 2017-February-14, 02:48

View PostKaitlyn S, on 2017-February-13, 22:40, said:

Semi-serious question: Do you show your six-card major over Stayman?

Playing with GiB (at least): no.
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Posted 2017-February-14, 05:41

View PostKaitlyn S, on 2017-February-13, 22:40, said:

Semi-serious question: Do you show your six-card major over Stayman?


I recently had a similar decision after opening 2NT and hearing partner bid puppet stayman. Holding a solid 6 card heart suit I thought it would be churlish to not show 5 of them. Sadly both hearts and NT both took 9 tricks. :(
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Posted 2017-February-14, 05:44

I, too, would open 1NT in a daylong. GIB will often lead (or switch to) spades, and besides there is no risk of creating an implicit agreement that needs to be disclosed.

In a human game, I wouldn't.

And yes, the plan is to deny a 4-card major in response if partner bids stayman.
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Posted 2017-February-15, 11:30

I was interested to see expert player Pete Hollands also went for 1N opening :)

http://https://www.y...h?v=onQmU6vg5CM

this board starts at 11:24

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Posted 2017-February-16, 15:32

View Posteagles123, on 2017-February-15, 11:30, said:

I was interested to see expert player Pete Hollands also went for 1N opening :)

http://https://www.y...h?v=onQmU6vg5CM

this board starts at 11:24

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I can't reach the link you gave.
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Posted 2017-February-16, 16:23

View PostMrAce, on 2017-February-16, 15:32, said:

I can't reach the link you gave.


Try this.
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Posted 2017-February-16, 19:21

View PostJinksy, on 2017-February-16, 16:23, said:

Try this.


That guys is nuts. Let me tell you why.
This is an easy 1 followed by 2, which shows 13-15, we have 16 but a terrible 16.
You open 2 with 10-12 6 carder in 4th seat.
Most people miss this.
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Posted 2017-February-16, 20:09

View PostMrAce, on 2017-February-16, 19:21, said:

This is an easy 1 followed by 2, which shows 13-15, we have 16 but a terrible 16.
You open 2 with 10-12 6 carder in 4th seat.

True. :(

I take 1N back and reserve it for 1st, 2nd and 3rd seat.
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Posted 2017-February-16, 20:48

View PostMrAce, on 2017-February-16, 19:21, said:

That guys is nuts. Let me tell you why.
This is an easy 1 followed by 2, which shows 13-15, we have 16 but a terrible 16.
You open 2 with 10-12 6 carder in 4th seat.
Most people miss this.


Yes THIS !!! Wonderful advice that I will make sure my PD's read.
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Posted 2017-February-16, 22:22

View PostMrAce, on 2017-February-16, 19:21, said:

That guys is nuts. Let me tell you why.
This is an easy 1 followed by 2, which shows 13-15, we have 16 but a terrible 16.
You open 2 with 10-12 6 carder in 4th seat.
Most people miss this.


On this hand you miss a perfectly good game that way, which you find by opening 1NT.

Calling Pete nuts just because you don't agree with him is pretty poor form. He's going to the Bermuda Bowl this year, so he must have some idea.
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Posted 2017-February-16, 22:35

View PostMrAce, on 2017-February-16, 19:21, said:

That guys is nuts. Let me tell you why.
This is an easy 1 followed by 2, which shows 13-15, we have 16 but a terrible 16.
You open 2 with 10-12 6 carder in 4th seat.
Most people miss this.
It's not that terrible; Kaplan-Rubens rates it at 15.40.

However, 1S followed by 2S is at least close to the description of this hand in any seat, which is more than can be said for any other sequence. In fourth seat it's a no-brainer; for I'm assuming your "10-12" is HCP and most evaluation systems are going to rate that hand higher (for example, KQTxxx, xx, AJx, xx is 12.40) so the actual hand is only 3 points better than a clear 4th seat 2S opener.
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