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ATB: Reach the minor game (or at least stay out of the major one)

Poll: ATB: Reach the minor game (or at least stay out of the major one) (8 member(s) have cast votes)

What should happen?

  1. What happened (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. S should pass 3D (1 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  3. N should bid 3N over 3S (2 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  4. N should bid 4D over 3S (3 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  5. (S should pull if N had bid 3N) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. (S should raise to 5D if N had bid 4D) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Other (3 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2017-February-11, 07:23



IMP pairs.
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Posted 2017-February-11, 09:01

Tough hand. Not clear to me anyone did anything patently wrong.
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Posted 2017-February-11, 09:06

View PostPhil, on 2017-February-11, 09:01, said:

Tough hand. Not clear to me anyone did anything patently wrong.


Same here. I would vote that north "could" bid 4 forcing and expecting to hear 4 next if it's right but "should" do that is too strong.
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Posted 2017-February-11, 12:20

I think everything through 3 is OK. With a decent stopper, South might just bid 3 NT as a "logical alternative". So, 3 should be asking about a stopper. With a porous suit, minimum values, and only stiff A, I don't 3 NT is right. The problem is that after a lead you might need 9 running tricks. That would seem to require running which are not assured. Otherwise, you could be going down a ton.

Call me timid, if you like, but I think 4 is right over 3 .
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Posted 2017-February-11, 16:01

Everyone who voted so far and commented so far must be living in a different world than me.

3 asks for stopper prior to anything else.
N has a clear cut stopper.
He has to show it.
3 does not mean "bid 3 NT with spade stopper if you like your diamonds". It means "bid 3 NT if you have spade stopper"
Pd can easily have a hand that makes 3 NT cold on a spade stopper only, where 4 or 5 are close to hopeless.

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EDIT: Even with the original NS hands, 3 NT is still OK. After all it would not surprise me to see E leading K or Q from KQTxx(x)
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