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#1 User is offline   Lovera 

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Posted 2016-December-25, 07:24

The vul situation is : love all. Partner (dealer) open 1 (opp pass) and you have:AAK98AQ1098454. What is your responsive bidding ?
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Posted 2016-December-25, 08:44

Assuming 2/1, I bid 2H. Assuming something else, I check my convention card first...
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Posted 2016-December-25, 10:53

View Postmr1303, on 2016-December-25, 08:44, said:

Assuming 2/1, I bid 2H. Assuming something else, I check my convention card first...

I would bid 2H whether playing 2/1 or not.

Also, surprised nobody got dinged by the problem and bid diamonds. Usually the order is S, H, D, C so people might erroneously think the long suit is diamonds.
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Posted 2016-December-25, 11:35

View PostKaitlyn S, on 2016-December-25, 10:53, said:

Usually the order is S, H, D, C so people might erroneously think the long suit is diamonds.

Yes. Nice trick question, Lovera!
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Posted 2016-December-25, 13:42

Yes, but let' s return about topic bidding (with the long suit heart).
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Posted 2016-December-25, 14:19

very interesting hand lovera: a tricky decision as to whether to make a forcing bid in one's longest suit or go down the pub.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 00:50

2Heart! What's the problem?,
Heavier the load,the slower goes the train!
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Posted 2016-December-26, 02:33

You might find an old Acol player who bids 3, the rest of the world bids 2
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Posted 2016-December-26, 03:10

In accordling to my system and with this (more of 23 points) very strong hand (only 3 losers) i bid (preparing me to follow ..) 3 than jumping, opp pass, but partner instead says 4 that although is not cue but nat suit (and i feel as to be near Pole..) showing an (almost !) 5-4 in the blacks (opp silent). To you.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 03:15

View PostKaitlyn S, on 2016-December-25, 10:53, said:

I would bid 2H whether playing 2/1 or not.

Also, surprised nobody got dinged by the problem and bid diamonds. Usually the order is S, H, D, C so people might erroneously think the long suit is diamonds.


Actually I did bid 2D originally, but realised my mistake and edited my post.

Incidentally I wouldn't make a 3H bid if it was a SJS on this hand, as diamonds may be better.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 05:04

View PostLovera, on 2016-December-26, 03:10, said:

In accordling to my system and with this (more of 23 points) very strong hand (only 3 losers) i bid (preparing me to follow ..) 3 than jumping, opp pass, but partner instead says 4 that although is not cue but nat suit (and i feel as to be near Pole..) showing an (almost !) 5-4 in the blacks (opp silent). To you.


Considering that no one has so far bid 3, the only possible answer to this question is "abstain". You have got uncomfortably high and have no room to eg agree on a strain.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 06:26

As an Acol player even I would bid 2H. It's a classic example of when not to jump; too strong and with a second suit that isn't the one opened.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 06:55

If you make a SJS, you need it to be well defined. Either a solid suit, setting trumps, or a strong 2 suiter including partner's suit.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 08:57

I believe GIB plays Soloway jump shifts (good suit, usually 6+, 17+ points). If it's in your system, that's my bid. Otherwise 2.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 10:17

1-2; 2 is probably the most interesting start from Responder's point of view.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 11:04

View PostVampyr, on 2016-December-26, 05:04, said:

Considering that no one has so far bid 3, the only possible answer to this question is "abstain". You have got uncomfortably high and have no room to eg agree on a strain.

I can be with you but there is an explanation. I too thought it but was strong and than quite (at that time).
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Posted 2016-December-26, 11:06

View Postmr1303, on 2016-December-26, 06:55, said:

If you make a SJS, you need it to be well defined. Either a solid suit, setting trumps, or a strong 2 suiter including partner's suit.

And partner was an occasional advanced.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 11:08

View PostJoe_Old, on 2016-December-26, 08:57, said:

I believe GIB plays Soloway jump shifts (good suit, usually 6+, 17+ points). If it's in your system, that's my bid. Otherwise 2.

It was not GIB.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 11:54

View PostJoe_Old, on 2016-December-26, 08:57, said:

I believe GIB plays Soloway jump shifts (good suit, usually 6+, 17+ points). If it's in your system, that's my bid. Otherwise 2.


Maybe GIB would make a jump shift with this hand, but it does not come close to a Soloway jump shift by my standards because

1) The heart suit is too ratty
2) Diamonds may be the best trump suit
3) Spades may be the best trump suit.
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Posted 2016-December-26, 11:56

View PostLovera, on 2016-December-26, 03:10, said:

In accordling to my system and with this (more of 23 points) very strong hand (only 3 losers)


Is this new math? I count only 17 HCP and at least 4 losers.
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