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place your bets gambling 3N

Poll: place your bets (12 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (5 votes [41.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.67%

  2. Double (6 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. 4H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Other (1 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

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#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2016-December-15, 17:41



IMPs, none vul. What's your call here?
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Posted 2016-December-15, 19:20

What is 3NT?
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Posted 2016-December-15, 19:43

View PostKaitlyn S, on 2016-December-15, 19:20, said:

What is 3NT?


Gambling, long solid minor, no outside stop.
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Posted 2016-December-15, 21:20

View Postmanudude03, on 2016-December-15, 17:41, said:

What's your call here?

Why not pass and double the 4♦ bid in the next round? If there is no next round, you are unlikely to make a game.
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Posted 2016-December-16, 00:06

I'm passing because when I come in with this type of hand, Dummy usually shows up with both black kings and ♦A .
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Posted 2016-December-16, 00:52

If an opponent had dealt and opened 3NT, then double has a lot of upside. If we pass, Partner might end up stuck with a decent hand but be unable to bid because they have soft values and length in both minors. Or they might have weakish hand with a long major.

But opposite a passed partner the upside is considerably lower because both of those hand types can be ruled out. Double might still work out spectacularly well but it could also lead to disaster.

One final comment, regarding the description of the 3NT bid - It's quite unusual for a 3rd seat 3NT bid to strictly deny any outside cards because a passed hand partner can't reasonably be expected to have stoppers in every other suit. Most experienced players would describe it more as any hand that wants to gamble 3NT but doesn't have any slam ambitions.
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Posted 2016-December-19, 09:47

I think I might have been a little crazy here :)

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Posted 2016-December-19, 10:27

South really bid 4♠ with that?
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Posted 2016-December-19, 10:45

View Postneilkaz, on 2016-December-19, 10:27, said:

South really bid 4♠ with that?

Willing to play it not vul and not doubled as a sacrifice, I suppose. Surely pulling to 5m in a crisis.
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Posted 2016-December-19, 10:55

View Postbillw55, on 2016-December-19, 10:45, said:

Willing to play it not vul and not doubled as a sacrifice, I suppose. Surely pulling to 5m in a crisis.

OK Now I am understanding the 4♠ bid better. South can tell N's suit is ♦ and strongly thinks 4♥ is cold. (But doesn't the stiff ♠ lead set it?

So South's 4♠ offers the choice of sac'ing 4♠ or 5♦. But on a bad day N has only 7♦ and the K♣ isn't onside.
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Posted 2016-December-19, 11:05

View Postneilkaz, on 2016-December-19, 10:55, said:

OK Now I am understanding the 4♠ bid better. South can tell N's suit is ♦ and strongly thinks 4♥ is cold. (But doesn't the stiff ♠ lead set it?

The stiff spade is not on lead against 4♥. But yes, players do sometimes sac over contracts that were not making.
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