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Penalty conversion? A KQ64 632 Q9852

Poll: Penalty conversion? (22 member(s) have cast votes)

2/1. imps, dealer, none vul. Your call?

  1. Pass (12 votes [54.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 54.55%

  2. 1C (10 votes [45.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 45.45%

  3. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Suppose you open. 1C (2H weak) X (P) ? What call do you make

  1. Pass (5 votes [22.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  2. 2N (11 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. 3C (5 votes [22.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.73%

  4. Other (1 votes [4.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

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#1 User is offline   nige1 

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Posted 2016-December-15, 08:22


2/1, Imps, none vul, Dealer.
1. Would you open?
2. Now what?

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Posted 2016-December-15, 14:11

The opening is a matter of style, if you open all 11 counts systemically it is a better than min. With my partner we play 12 or 11 with extras. Here I'd pass because of 1 too many amongst lack of 10's, main suit a little weak, and the S singleton which will make the rebid odd (I'd prefer having a full opener for rebidding NT with a stiff honor). Reverse the majors, or make the HQ into H&C jacks, or swap H and C honors, or concentrate black honors in one suit, and I go for it.
Now having opened short, having my H honors under the bidder, and partner possibly having just 8, passing is signing for -470 too many times. I guess 2NT is the least of all evils.
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Posted 2016-December-15, 16:17

If you open such hands, as I prefer, then it places constraints on the doubler to have a hand that makes 2NT playable in such auctions. So doubling with 4 or 5 spades and a six count is just wrong.
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Posted 2016-December-15, 16:22

I would bid 2NT now, but I would have an agreement that it is artificial. Either 2 places to play or a bad way to get to the 3 level are much more valuable agreements than natural IMO.

If I don't have either of those I'd probably try 3C, but it could be pretty bad.
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Posted 2016-December-15, 16:24

opening this hand seems automatic, I would just pass the double but accept it could go badly wrong.
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Posted 2016-December-15, 17:17

View Posteagles123, on 2016-December-15, 16:24, said:

opening this hand seems automatic, I would just pass the double but accept it could go badly wrong.


Do you play neg DBL of 2 also promise diamonds? I do not.

If you start DBL with hands like

Qxxxx
x
Qxx
KJxx

or

KTxx
xx
Qx
KJxxx

which I certainly do, then passing is not even an option imo. I can even make it more dramatic and give pd something like

KJxx
x
AKxx
KJxx

which they can make 2 doubled when you are cold for game.
I am not against opening the hand. But what I hate most at bridge is, when people open this and then panic and leave 2 double in, in front of the preempt with KQxx. I would not even double 4 ffs let alone leaving 2 doubled just because I do not have an easy bid.
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Posted 2016-December-15, 19:17

Pass, 2NT. I don't think my hand has enough defense to leave 2H X in.
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Posted 2016-December-16, 00:01

Close, but I'd probably pass the hand with such terrible . If the auction goes (no competition) 1 - 1 , I don't particularly like rebidding either 1 NT or 2 .

Anyhow, there's no way to know what either partner or RHO has except partner has something -- 9-10 -- for the negative double. So there's no guarantee 2 x can be defeated. 3 on Q98 fifth is insane. So the practical bid is 2 NT. If partner has a 10 pointer with a long suit, it can be bid at the 3 level. If partner is flat, you'll just have to struggle in 2 NT.
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Posted 2016-December-16, 09:59

Playing 2/1. I would pass, as dealer. Having opened 1, I would pass partner's negative double of 2 because I dislike the alternative calls of 2N and 3 more. Not a winning choice. At the table, the player passed 2X and it made easily. Reasonable defence defeats 2N but opponents won't double.
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Posted 2016-December-16, 12:24

I think passing the X is nuts, you are not even behind the heart bidder. I would bid 2N.

Agree with passing as dealer in 2/1 but w/e.
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Posted 2016-December-19, 14:33

Passing is way too much for me and I pass these more than most.

Obviously depends on agreements but 2N seems fine if its natural. I'd have passed in first if playing 2/1, especially if playing a short club.
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