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Compete?

  1. Aye (3 votes [10.71%] - View)

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  2. Nay (24 votes [85.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 85.71%

  3. Other (1 votes [3.57%] - View)

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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2016-November-23, 15:19



IMP teams
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Posted 2016-November-23, 15:26

not even close
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Posted 2016-November-23, 17:22

I can't read the alert on 2H. If it shows 5-5 in the reds, a good case can be made the total tricks will outnumber the total trumps, maybe by 2 or more. However, I'm not sure I want them to compete to 4H which they might make. (give parther KQxxx of spades and out, we get 2 black tricks and a heart.)
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Posted 2016-November-24, 21:37

Pass.

As Kaitlyn says, 3 might push them to 4 and with LHO having a big red hand, you look like maybe 2 tricks at most on defense. Not revealing the fit here makes the situation much more ambiguious and more difficult for them to bid game.
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Posted 2016-November-25, 00:16

Do I want to be X'd in 3, I doubt it. Do I want then to bid 4 when I find out one of them has a black suit stiff and they make it? I don't think so. Of course they may bid 4 anyhow, but why reveal any info as I certainly don't fancy 4X.

I'll pass.
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Posted 2016-November-25, 03:00

Presumably partner had various ways of showing spades (Lebensohl?) and this is the weakest? At these colour, I would not expect my partner's bid to promise very much - a five-card spade suit and little else would be my expectation!

This is an easy pass.
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Posted 2016-November-26, 04:34

Yeah, just sanity checking this one. Our team mates complained at us for 'losing the part score battle' when 3 and 3 both made.
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Posted 2016-November-26, 10:59

what did p have?
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Posted 2016-November-26, 11:35

Not perfect by any means but the compete or not decision belongs to pass out seat period.
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Posted 2016-November-26, 13:28

View Postwank, on 2016-November-26, 10:59, said:

what did p have?




Don't know what the auction was at the other table.
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Posted 2016-November-26, 18:26

p can double 3h.
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Posted 2016-November-26, 18:57

So 3/3 decisions are something I don't think I get right as often as I should. Can you explain why you'd push on this one? The AK of spades look almost as good defensively as offensively, the JD is even better in defence than offence, and P probably doesn't have 4 spades or might have competed himself. Meanwhile the odds must be against him having 5 clubs(!), so you're unlikely to be competing on better than an 8-card fit.
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Posted 2016-November-26, 19:03

View PostJinksy, on 2016-November-26, 18:57, said:

So 3/3 decisions are something I don't think I get right as often as I should. Can you explain why you'd push on this one? The AK of spades look almost as good defensively as offensively, the JD is even better in defence than offence, and P probably doesn't have 4 spades or might have competed himself. Meanwhile the odds must be against him having 5 clubs(!), so you're unlikely to be competing on better than an 8-card fit.


you're right that if you end up in 4m it'll normally be an 8 card fit and you'll normally go down, but it's unlikely to be a crisis. your upside is you collect a penalty (if p has a doubleton spade your spades are great on defence) or you play 3S. playing 3S is always going to be worth it. if p has 3 spades, one 3M is going to make, and often 2.

when you have a singleton heart, the opps are normally in a 9 card fit. you want to bid to disturb that at the 3 level if you have a suitable shape. the rest takes care of itself.

this is one of those occasions where 3NT should be a minor scramble which means you can't end up in the wrong minor - after bidding a weak 2S you can't have the values for game.
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Posted 2016-November-27, 01:11

Bro this hand has a perfect double fit for both sides. Even then a small change in hands makes 2/2 bid a loser.
This is one of those hands that your teammates shoud not have made a huge fuss about it, imho.
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