[Stephen Tu]

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Maybe I am only supposed to bid 3♥ here, but with both black suits well stopped and 4 cd heart only I think North is supposed to bid 3nt (or maybe only 2nt) ahead of 3♣. I'd always have 5 hearts for 3♣ myself.

[jdonn]

Agree seems like 2NT or 3NT whatever it is worth to you.

[lycier]

I think your argument above are specious, your expert's opinions really made me surprised .

1- Of course, Stephen Tu should bid 3♥ to show 3-card sopport, and Stephen Tu should also know 3♥ has same definition with 4♥. Here, why would you bid 3♥ instead of 4♥? Maybe you have some reasons, however I have to tell you smart Gib has a good way to handle with such hand so well.
Now see my basic Gib how to play.

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Good job !!! my basic Gib !

2- Here, I think the main cause of the problem is Gib CC.
After rebid-2♦, north has no way to show 4-4 majors since 2♠ says " Responder reverse --- 5+♥,biddable ♠,13+TPs, forcing to 3N". So this is a issue about Gib bidding system instead of programming. And it really has no anything to do with bidding 2NT or 3NT in fact.

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[nige1]

Stephen Tu writes "Maybe I am only supposed to bid 3♥ here, but with both black suits well stopped and 4 cd heart only I think North is supposed to bid 3nt (or maybe only 2nt) ahead of 3♣. I'd always have 5 hearts for 3♣ myself.

Agree with Stephen Tu and JDonn. I rank
1. 3N = NAT. Not all layouts are as unfriendly as this.
2. 2N = NAT. Might work better here. John Matheson plays 1Banana-1Rasberry-2Bananas-2N as F1.
2. 3♣ = NAT. Should promise 5+ ♥s, IMO. (But not necessarily 4+ ♣s).

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[cloa513]

lycier, on 2016-November-05, 22:13, said:

I think your argument above are specious, your expert's opinions really made me surprised .

1- Of course, Stephen Tu should bid 3♥ to show 3-card sopport, and Stephen Tu should also know 3♥ has same definition with 4♥. Here, why would you bid 3♥ instead of 4♥? Maybe you have some reasons, however I have to tell you smart Gib has a good way to handle with such hand so well.
Now see my basic Gib how to play.

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Good job !!! my basic Gib !

2- Here, I think the main cause of the problem is Gib CC.
After rebid-2♦, north has no way to show 4-4 majors since 2♠ says " Responder reverse --- 5+♥,biddable ♠,13+TPs, forcing to 3N". So this is a issue about Gib bidding system instead of programming. And it really has no anything to do with bidding 2NT or 3NT in fact.

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Lycier should not have bid 2S. 3NT is obvious.

With hand one, the GIB manages to misposition the 3NT bid which with only makes with GIB's bad hand play- no sense in switching to diamonds (or hearts or spades) after the club lead with single dummy view and bidding consideration South has long diamonds.

[lycier]

Yes, you are right.
However see the definition on 3nt.

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