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Would you try for slam? and how

#1 User is offline   andrei 

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Posted 2016-October-27, 09:07

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You might not agree with 1, but too late now.

Partner has a gf hand with most likely 3 spades.

1S - 3N would have been 4-3-3-3 with 3 spades, 13-15
1S - 2D - 2H - 4S would have been picture bid

5 would be exclusion.

So what is your plan?
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Posted 2016-October-27, 10:13

I would bid 3 now. This should show 5(+) hearts with 2 of the top 3 honors. You will be able to show your club void later, but not your semi-solid hearts. It will be easier for you to show your hand to partner than vice versa.

I don't think you can find out about both the K and the Q if you use exclusion.
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Posted 2016-October-27, 11:02

Strongly disagree with 1S.

4!c now should help partner evaluate.
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Posted 2016-October-27, 11:03

agree with 3h

then I will give up and let pard be captain.

agree I hated 1s.
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Posted 2016-October-27, 12:16

I think 4H now must be the best bid. 3H sounds stonger. 4H must be based on distribution. 4C hides the heart suit length. I have judged all the responses and find myself guilty of having found the best bid! :P
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Posted 2016-October-27, 12:57

View PostWinstonm, on 2016-October-27, 12:16, said:

I think 4H now must be the best bid. I . . . find myself guilty of having found the best bid! :P


That all depends on where you found it! :D
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Posted 2016-October-28, 01:48

3H looks obvious. 4H is fine if you have an agreement that it shows this sort of hand. If not partner may think you are showing something like AKJxx AKxx xx xx, I.e. Slam try with first round Heart control and no minor shortage. Maybe he shouldn't think that, because with such a hand perhaps you would bid 3S, but why put him to the test.
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Posted 2016-October-28, 03:29

NO!!
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Posted 2016-October-28, 08:49

1 is pretty normal even with a 6 card h. To open 1 and then bid reverse twice to show a 56xx patern you need a stronger hand.

After your partner showed a fit in s all depends on your agreements.

Assuming 2 shows a fit in with extra values and 3 (or 4) shows a minimum bidding slamforcing is ok.

Using 5c as exclusion blackwood is only helpfull if the K also count as a keycard and if you can ask for kings after partners response, because you are only holding 1 keycard (A) it won't get you to a possible grandslam.

If 3 shows a 55xx pattern it is the best way to sell your hand and let partner take the lead.

If 3 is not possible the bidding could go as followed using cue bids.

1-2.....5+ card /GF
2-2.....4+ card /3+ card
4-4.....cue/cue
4-4nt....cue/RKC
6- ??.....uneven number of keycards + void in

After 6 partner could bid 6 or 6 asking for the K or K.

After 6 you could bid 6 to denie K and show K.
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Posted 2016-October-28, 14:41

I strongly disagree with 1S also, but there's no going back now. You can't use exclusion immediately, because your trump suit isn't good enough. You could easily be off two trump tricks and an Ace or even two Aces and a trump trick if partner has a lot of club waste.

I think 3H probably does the job at this point. At least it shows a two-suiter with slam interest, which is what you have. Over 3H, you hope to hear some sort of slam try (whatever serious, non-serious methods you play). If partner temporizes with 3S, then you can bid 3NT or 4C (whatever your serious try would be).

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Posted 2016-October-28, 19:23

3 also.

If partner had game forced with 2 showing , then you might have some pause about exploring for slam. But partner's bid certainly fits with your hand covering some of your losers.

So, bidding 3 describes your hand and let's partner make the choice whether to explore for slam further.
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Posted 2016-October-28, 21:59

View Postrmnka447, on 2016-October-28, 19:23, said:

3 also.

If partner had game forced with 2 showing , then you might have some pause about exploring for slam. But partner's bid certainly fits with your hand covering some of your losers.

So, bidding 3 describes your hand and let's partner make the choice whether to explore for slam further.


Exactly!
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Posted 2016-October-29, 02:48

yes I bid exclusion
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Posted 2016-October-29, 08:55

1 was a silly,ridiculous opening bid.It has created this unpleasant situation.To get out of trouble ,I shall bid just 3 now.
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Posted 2016-October-29, 13:01

If you are going to open 1S with a weak 5-6 in the majors - not a terrible idea - then you should have the agreement that, if partner bids 2 of a minor, 4H guarantees 6 of that suit, with either 5 or 6 Spades. And of course, minimum high card strength.
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Posted 2016-October-29, 20:50

View Postiandayre, on 2016-October-29, 13:01, said:

If you are going to open 1S with a weak 5-6 in the majors - not a terrible idea - then you should have the agreement that, if partner bids 2 of a minor, 4H guarantees 6 of that suit, with either 5 or 6 Spades. And of course, minimum high card strength.
if the hand given in the OP was different, people might be saying "4H should be a void in hearts and good diamond support."
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Posted 2016-October-29, 22:10

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