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is rever natural bid?
should be alerted?
1!C p1!S 2!H
what does it mean?
5!C 4!H more than 16 points?
or just 5!C 4!H with 11/12 points?
should be alerted if rever (>16 points)
should be alerted if only long short bid (12 points)
should not be alerted any points?
thank you for the answer
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Posted 2016-September-17, 11:16
It's "reverse" not "rever".
There's a primer on reverse bidding pinned to the top of the "intermediate" section worth reading.
It's a presumed natural bid, doesn't have to be alerted. The base assumption on your example 1c-p-1s-p-2h (I assumed a missing pass), is 4H, 5+ clubs, 17+ points. Some people might require slightly more for reverse, others less, it's a stylistic agreement. One might reverse with a bit less with spade support, for example, 3=4=1=5 16HCP, or a really good 15. More advanced players will occasionally reverse off-shape with hands where they calculate this is less of a misdescription than some other bids. Like AQx AKx x KT9xxx might try 1c-1s-2h, hoping to raise spades later, rather than jump rebidding a mediocre club suit which won't discover a 5 cd spade suit from partner. Partner raising hearts won't be a problem because then will have 5+ spades (with 4-4 would have responded 1h not 1s), and one can correct to spades.
Many beginning players do not realize that they should have extra values to reverse, and thus you will find them with minimum 12 counts and 4h-5c or even totally balanced 2434 hands. This is a mistake. With minimum opening bids one should either rebid 1nt or 2♣ with 4H/5+ clubs, or raise to 2♠ with minimum 3=4=1=5. If a reverse is systemic on a minimum and is non-forcing, in theory it ought to be alerted since this is an unusual treatment. But the people who do this generally aren't in a position to know this is unusual, since they are beginners, so it's hard to expect them to know to alert these. And their partner may not be on same page, so it can easily be mistaken bid rather than concealed agreement.
There's a primer on reverse bidding pinned to the top of the "intermediate" section worth reading.
It's a presumed natural bid, doesn't have to be alerted. The base assumption on your example 1c-p-1s-p-2h (I assumed a missing pass), is 4H, 5+ clubs, 17+ points. Some people might require slightly more for reverse, others less, it's a stylistic agreement. One might reverse with a bit less with spade support, for example, 3=4=1=5 16HCP, or a really good 15. More advanced players will occasionally reverse off-shape with hands where they calculate this is less of a misdescription than some other bids. Like AQx AKx x KT9xxx might try 1c-1s-2h, hoping to raise spades later, rather than jump rebidding a mediocre club suit which won't discover a 5 cd spade suit from partner. Partner raising hearts won't be a problem because then will have 5+ spades (with 4-4 would have responded 1h not 1s), and one can correct to spades.
Many beginning players do not realize that they should have extra values to reverse, and thus you will find them with minimum 12 counts and 4h-5c or even totally balanced 2434 hands. This is a mistake. With minimum opening bids one should either rebid 1nt or 2♣ with 4H/5+ clubs, or raise to 2♠ with minimum 3=4=1=5. If a reverse is systemic on a minimum and is non-forcing, in theory it ought to be alerted since this is an unusual treatment. But the people who do this generally aren't in a position to know this is unusual, since they are beginners, so it's hard to expect them to know to alert these. And their partner may not be on same page, so it can easily be mistaken bid rather than concealed agreement.
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Posted 2016-September-21, 08:57
Stephen Tu, on 2016-September-17, 11:16, said:
It's "reverse" not "rever".
There's a primer on reverse bidding pinned to the top of the "intermediate" section worth reading.
It's a presumed natural bid, doesn't have to be alerted. The base assumption on your example 1c-p-1s-p-2h (I assumed a missing pass), is 4H, 5+ clubs, 17+ points. Some people might require slightly more for reverse, others less, it's a stylistic agreement. One might reverse with a bit less with spade support, for example, 3=4=1=5 16HCP, or a really good 15. More advanced players will occasionally reverse off-shape with hands where they calculate this is less of a misdescription than some other bids. Like AQx AKx x KT9xxx might try 1c-1s-2h, hoping to raise spades later, rather than jump rebidding a mediocre club suit which won't discover a 5 cd spade suit from partner. Partner raising hearts won't be a problem because then will have 5+ spades (with 4-4 would have responded 1h not 1s), and one can correct to spades.
Many beginning players do not realize that they should have extra values to reverse, and thus you will find them with minimum 12 counts and 4h-5c or even totally balanced 2434 hands. This is a mistake. With minimum opening bids one should either rebid 1nt or 2♣ with 4H/5+ clubs, or raise to 2♠ with minimum 3=4=1=5. If a reverse is systemic on a minimum and is non-forcing, in theory it ought to be alerted since this is an unusual treatment. But the people who do this generally aren't in a position to know this is unusual, since they are beginners, so it's hard to expect them to know to alert these. And their partner may not be on same page, so it can easily be mistaken bid rather than concealed agreement.
There's a primer on reverse bidding pinned to the top of the "intermediate" section worth reading.
It's a presumed natural bid, doesn't have to be alerted. The base assumption on your example 1c-p-1s-p-2h (I assumed a missing pass), is 4H, 5+ clubs, 17+ points. Some people might require slightly more for reverse, others less, it's a stylistic agreement. One might reverse with a bit less with spade support, for example, 3=4=1=5 16HCP, or a really good 15. More advanced players will occasionally reverse off-shape with hands where they calculate this is less of a misdescription than some other bids. Like AQx AKx x KT9xxx might try 1c-1s-2h, hoping to raise spades later, rather than jump rebidding a mediocre club suit which won't discover a 5 cd spade suit from partner. Partner raising hearts won't be a problem because then will have 5+ spades (with 4-4 would have responded 1h not 1s), and one can correct to spades.
Many beginning players do not realize that they should have extra values to reverse, and thus you will find them with minimum 12 counts and 4h-5c or even totally balanced 2434 hands. This is a mistake. With minimum opening bids one should either rebid 1nt or 2♣ with 4H/5+ clubs, or raise to 2♠ with minimum 3=4=1=5. If a reverse is systemic on a minimum and is non-forcing, in theory it ought to be alerted since this is an unusual treatment. But the people who do this generally aren't in a position to know this is unusual, since they are beginners, so it's hard to expect them to know to alert these. And their partner may not be on same page, so it can easily be mistaken bid rather than concealed agreement.
thank you very much
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