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A non-forcing sequence or a forcing one?

#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2016-August-30, 04:16



I have no way to understand why both of 2♦ and 2N can promise to force to game.
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Posted 2016-August-30, 06:12

2D was forcing to 3NT, therefore any bid below 3NT is also forcing to 3NT. Now whether 2D should be forcing to 3NT, especially as a passed hand is another question.
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Posted 2016-August-30, 10:37

 manudude03, on 2016-August-30, 06:12, said:

2D was forcing to 3NT, therefore any bid below 3NT is also forcing to 3NT. Now whether 2D should be forcing to 3NT, especially as a passed hand is another question.


Very true. And an easy one to answer, cannot possibly be forcing to game. The question is whether it should even be a one-round force.
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Posted 2016-August-30, 20:11

 iandayre, on 2016-August-30, 10:37, said:

Very true. And an easy one to answer, cannot possibly be forcing to game. The question is whether it should even be a one-round force.


I think it has to be, unless you have a gadget.
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Posted 2016-August-31, 09:00

 Vampyr, on 2016-August-30, 20:11, said:

I think it has to be, unless you have a gadget.


My "gadget" is that it shows a hand in the maximum pass range. Some may play this as natural, not forcing. I don't know anybody I think is good who plays this game forcing by a passed hand.
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Posted 2016-August-31, 12:11

Other than drury or a few specific instances, GIB doesn't know to change its system by a passed hand.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2016-August-31, 16:26

 johnu, on 2016-August-31, 09:00, said:

My "gadget" is that it shows a hand in the maximum pass range. Some may play this as natural, not forcing. I don't know anybody I think is good who plays this game forcing by a passed hand.


 jdonn, on 2016-August-31, 12:11, said:


Other than drury or a few specific instances, GIB doesn't know to change its system by a passed hand.

Totally agree with you.
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This post has been edited by diana_eva: 2016-September-03, 15:14
Reason for edit: Fixed quote

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Posted 2016-September-02, 15:43

Could you please not quote me as saying something I did not say? Thank you, that would be much appreciated.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2016-September-03, 00:48

 jdonn, on 2016-September-02, 15:43, said:

Could you please not quote me as saying something I did not say? Thank you, that would be much appreciated.


Fixed lycier's quote.

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Posted 2016-September-03, 14:55

 diana_eva, on 2016-September-03, 00:48, said:

Fixed lycier's quote.

You fixed it incorrectly. Johnu and JDonn each made a statement. Lycier originally incorrectly attributed both statements to JDonn; you changed it to attribute both statements to Johnu.
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Posted 2016-September-03, 15:14

 Bbradley62, on 2016-September-03, 14:55, said:

You fixed it incorrectly. Johnu and JDonn each made a statement. Lycier originally incorrectly attributed both statements to JDonn; you changed it to attribute both statements to Johnu.


Thanks, didn't notice. Fixed the fixed quote :)
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