[Fluffy]

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IMPs, you play natural overcalls, 3♥ would be strong, 4♦= diamonds and a major.

[MrAce]

-Lot of wasted hcps. Basically I am looking at 7 working hcps.
-Very good spots in both our long suits.
-Vulnerability is favorable.
-We have shape


It is between PASS and 2♥. I would bid but I would never argue with passers.

[Fluffy]

Follow ups:

If you bid 4♦

Spoiler

You reached game, no more action

If you bid 2♥

Spoiler

PArtner raises to 3♥

If you pass

Spoiler

LHO bids 2♠, passed back to you

[Cyberyeti]

4♦ would be a much stronger hand for me, pass then 3♦ is diamonds and hearts weaker, which is what I would do, but you may not have this available.

[Vampyr]

Cyberyeti, on 2016-August-19, 12:13, said:

4♦ would be a much stronger hand for me, pass then 3♦ is diamonds and hearts weaker, which is what I would do, but you may not have this available.

You may not have this available either, if 2♦ is passed out.

[Trinidad]

Vampyr, on 2016-August-19, 14:05, said:

Cyberyeti, on 2016-August-19, 12:13, said:

4♦ would be a much stronger hand for me, pass then 3♦ is diamonds and hearts weaker, which is what I would do, but you may not have this available.

You may not have this available either, if 2♦ is passed out.

Do we really care? I think we are bound for a decent result most of the time if:
We have hearts and diamonds
We have a weakish hand
Partner didn't have the values to balance

I would think that typically
we can't make much ourselves
they can make 2♠ easily
they don't stand a chance in 2♦

Rik

[Cyberyeti]

Vampyr, on 2016-August-19, 14:05, said:

You may not have this available either, if 2♦ is passed out.

It's a multi, won't be passed out often, if it is, am I too worried with 5 of them ? partner still has a bid

[The_Badger]

Hi Fluffy,

We will assume that opener has a weak 2♠ hand. I think a poignant question here is what system are your teammates playing at the other table? If they are not playing the multi, I presume the opener would have bid 2♠.

Can we have overcalled a 2♠ opener with this hand? Obviously not. So that's a good reason to get involved over a multi 2♦ because we can. 2♥ is enough I feel. 4♦ is a Jumping Michael's leap in the dark bid that might be rather optimistic.

As the opponents have the anchor suit ♠s they can possibly always outbid us, but we might be able to swindle a couple of part scores at each table, or a vulnerable game at one, and a sacrifice at another.

It's not ideal to overcall, and like MrAce I wouldn't argue with pass either, but the shape and the vulnerability are favourable, and would I overcall a 1♠ opener with a 2♠ Michael's Cue Bid with this hand? Yes!

So a 2♥ overcall isn't so bad in my opinion. Once in a while you have to throw caution to the wind.

[Fluffy]

It is a BBO training session on Main Bridge Club, so XIMPs against randoms.

[Vampyr]

Cyberyeti, on 2016-August-19, 14:23, said:

It's a multi, won't be passed out often, if it is, am I too worried with 5 of them ? partner still has a bid

I once played in a national pairs final against a pair whose strong option for their Multi was 29-31 balanced. Leafing through their CC I noticed that they had another way to bid 29-31 balanced. And then of course there are weak-only multis. So I think that the possibility of a Multi (depending on agreements) being passed out is non-negligable, but yeah, if partner can't scape up a balancing bid we may be well out of it.

[msjennifer]

Fast reply is a fast PASS.

[nekthen]

Fluffy, on 2016-August-19, 11:31, said:

Follow ups:

If you bid 4♦

Spoiler

You reached game, no more action

If you bid 2♥

Spoiler

PArtner raises to 3♥

If you pass

Spoiler

LHO bids 2♠, passed back to you

I am dubious about LHO bidding 2S. This is a rare reply which indicates a hand willing to play in 3+H opposite a weak 2 in H but only willing to play in 2S opposite a weak 2 in spades. I think it much more likely that LHO bids 2H and RHO bids 2S and now it is your bid. In this case, we are probably outgunned in spades and I now use Leaping Michaels, which must be weak as I did not use it on the first round

If 2S was indeed the bid, I would pass feeling fairly confident that either partner has a spade stack or they have messed up and missed a laydown 4S

[MrAce]

nekthen, on 2016-August-20, 02:08, said:

I am dubious about LHO bidding 2S. This is a rare reply which indicates a hand willing to play in 3+H opposite a weak 2 in H but only willing to play in 2S opposite a weak 2 in spades. I think it much more likely that LHO bids 2H and RHO bids 2S and now it is your bid. In this case, we are probably outgunned in spades and I now use Leaping Michaels, which must be weak as I did not use it on the first round

YES! Your pd will understand that you have a weak leaping michaels because you did not use it on the first round.

What do you expect your pd to do with this information, when you are already at 4 level and get doubled?

[sfi]

nekthen, on 2016-August-20, 02:08, said:

I am dubious about LHO bidding 2S. This is a rare reply which indicates a hand willing to play in 3+H opposite a weak 2 in H but only willing to play in 2S opposite a weak 2 in spades.

I'm not sure why you think 2S is a rare reply. I see (and bid) it all the time. In fact I would guess it's the second most common response to a multi 2D.

[gnasher]

Pass looks obvious on the first round. If I bid, partner will almost certainly carry us too high.

After 2♦-p-2♠-p;p I'd bid 2NT, which I think shows any two suits. There's not much reason to play this as specifically both minors, as it's probably a partscore hand, and LHO is unlikely to bid 3♠.

If it had gone 2♦-p-2♥-p;2♠, there would be more reason to play 2NT as something specific, as LHO might be about to raise spades.

[Cyberyeti]

Vampyr, on 2016-August-19, 19:22, said:

I once played in a national pairs final against a pair whose strong option for their Multi was 29-31 balanced. Leafing through their CC I noticed that they had another way to bid 29-31 balanced. And then of course there are weak-only multis. So I think that the possibility of a Multi (depending on agreements) being passed out is non-negligable, but yeah, if partner can't scape up a balancing bid we may be well out of it.

I thought when your multi had to have a strong option, it had to be of reasonable frequency.

This is not a weak only multi as you can see if you reply to the OP and check what was typed to see the bit that disappears off the right hand side of the comment.

[Vampyr]

Cyberyeti, on 2016-August-20, 05:38, said:

I thought when your multi had to have a strong option, it had to be of reasonable frequency.

I think the event was Level 5, but I don't think this requirement still exists at Level 4 either.

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This is not a weak only multi as you can see if you reply to the OP and check what was typed to see the bit that disappears off the right hand side of the comment.

OK. Still it might be more interesting if your second suit were clubs.

[aawk]

A good rule in imp play is never play weak over weak.

If you give a overcall of 2h or 4d (to show 5-5) gets you into trouble if west is strong.

So just pass and see what will happen.

If it goes 2d-p-2s-p// p-? you can bid 2nt to show a 5-5 outside s for take out weaker than introduced directly.

After 2d-p-2nt-... ending in 4s you can bid 4nt to show your 5-5 (to decide if to bid 4nt take into account what kind of strenght east showed after the asking bid of west).

If a bid of (2nt) 4nt can only show 5-5 in the two lowest suits this hand can only be bid with a lot of risk.

So pass would be my advice and make a agreement with your p that (2nt) 4nt is takeout with any 5-5 in the given bid sequances.

[nekthen]

sfi, on 2016-August-20, 04:41, said:

I'm not sure why you think 2S is a rare reply. I see (and bid) it all the time. In fact I would guess it's the second most common response to a multi 2D.

Not so much rare, but when I have 5 hearts and 1 spade, it seems unusual

[Tramticket]

sfi, on 2016-August-20, 04:41, said:

I'm not sure why you think 2S is a rare reply. I see (and bid) it all the time. In fact I would guess it's the second most common response to a multi 2D.

Yep, we bid 2S with any hand that
- has two or fewer spades and
- has three or more hearts and
- does not have the values to invite game opposite a weak-two and
- has at least four points (in case partner has a strong option).

That's a lot of hands and 2S is a high frequency bid.