[helene_t]

In the auction
1♥-2♣
3♣-3♥
4♥-4nt
5nt-6♣

the 6♣ bid is defined as a cuebid. That was a shame on this particular hand where I wanted to bid 6♣ which turned out to be the only making slam.

I suppose it is difficult to formulate a rule for when a non-trump-suit-bid after RKC is a proposal rather than some kind of grand slam try. But here clubs hand been raised .....

The alternative was to anticipate on this problem and just bid 6♣ after 3♣. But 4nt as RKC for clubs is impractical and besides I needed to know about the king of hearts.

[steve2005]

News flash: Helene right - Gib wrong.
Person using KC is Captain.
Gib has no concept of Captaincy.

[cloa513]

helene_t, on 2016-August-18, 11:15, said:

In the auction
1♥-2♣
3♣-3♥
4♥-4nt
5nt-6♣

the 6♣ bid is defined as a cuebid. That was a shame on this particular hand where I wanted to bid 6♣ which turned out to be the only making slam.

I suppose it is difficult to formulate a rule for when a non-trump-suit-bid after RKC is a proposal rather than some kind of grand slam try. But here clubs hand been raised .....

The alternative was to anticipate on this problem and just bid 6♣ after 3♣. But 4nt as RKC for clubs is impractical and besides I needed to know about the king of hearts.

So don't bid 3H and effectively set the contract suit as hearts because 2C can be a utilitarian bid showing just 3 clubs.

[helene_t]

cloa513, on 2016-August-18, 17:24, said:

So don't bid 3H and effectively set the contract suit as hearts because 2C can be a utilitarian bid showing just 3 clubs.

I don't think that is the problem. 2♣ shows four clubs in the GIB system, btw.

[Stefan_O]

helene_t, on 2016-August-18, 11:15, said:

In the auction
1♥-2♣
3♣-3♥
4♥-4nt
5nt-6♣

the 6♣ bid is defined as a cuebid. That was a shame on this particular hand where I wanted to bid 6♣ which turned out to be the only making slam.

I suppose it is difficult to formulate a rule for when a non-trump-suit-bid after RKC is a proposal rather than some kind of grand slam try. But here clubs hand been raised .....

The alternative was to anticipate on this problem and just bid 6♣ after 3♣. But 4nt as RKC for clubs is impractical and besides I needed to know about the king of hearts.

5NT was showing 5 keycards? Or a void?

[iandayre]

helene_t, on 2016-August-18, 17:29, said:

I don't think that is the problem. 2♣ shows four clubs in the GIB system, btw.

If the descriptions show that, and also show that 1S-2H shows 5, I wonder what you are supposed to do with a 3433 hand, too strong the immediate 3NT response. I see no option but 2C.

[lycier]

First question

Stefan_O, on 2016-August-19, 00:23, said:

5NT was showing 5 keycards? Or a void?

Second question

iandayre, on 2016-August-19, 12:54, said:

helene_t, on 2016-August-18, 17:29, said:

I don't think that is the problem. 2♣ shows four clubs in the GIB system, btw.

If the descriptions show that, and also show that 1S-2H shows 5, I wonder what you are supposed to do with a 3433 hand, too strong the immediate 3NT response. I see no option but 2C.

I didn't originally intend to reply, but I don't understand why both of you as expert would ask such a simple question on Helene_t's thread.

First question :
It is a void with even number of keycards, whatelse?

Second question
What Helene_t said is correct.

On Gib CC, responding 2♣ = Forcing two over one --- 13+hcp,biddable ♣, 14+TPs,forcing to 3N.

See " Understanding Gib Bid Descriptions " :


biddable : 5+ cards, or 4 cards + 3 of 5 honors or more than 4 8421 points