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4th hand monitoring of differences

Poll: 4th hand (16 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid

  1. 2S system bid, maximal describtion (11 votes [68.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.75%

  2. 1S fearing the less than 6 hcp opposite (3 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  3. 3nt I'ii steal it after spade attac(s) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2nt fearing the less than 6 hcp opposite (1 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  5. other (1 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

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Posted 2016-July-08, 23:50

AKQx_Qx_AQ9xx_QJ

(pass) - pass - (pass) - 1♦
(pass) - 1♥ - (pass) - ?

If your answer depends on the zone and the method of calculation, please say.
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Posted 2016-July-09, 04:02

Playing what I play, I would bid 1♠ which for us is forcing unless partner didn't have his 1♥.
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Posted 2016-July-09, 21:19

Probability of finding fit in spade ~ 1/4. So we'll play NT by weak hand after club lead. Could be some problems...
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Posted 2016-July-10, 00:12

I bid 2N if we have methods (e.g. some form of Wolff signoff or new minor forcing) to stop in 3H or get to 4S. I bid 2S if we don't. If for some reason, partner having less than 6hcp is common AND we don't have methods, I would consider 1S - but I can't really imagine playing an anti-field weak or mini NT (the main reason for responder to bid with <6hcp) in such a casual partnership.
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Posted 2016-July-10, 03:49

View Post4321, on 2016-July-08, 23:50, said:

AKQx_Qx_AQ9xx_QJ

(pass) - pass - (pass) - 1♦
(pass) - 1♥ - (pass) - ?

If your answer depends on the zone and the method of calculation, please say.

I upen 2NT
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Posted 2016-July-12, 12:54

View Postjfnrl, on 2016-July-10, 03:49, said:

I upen 2NT
You are winner. 3NT wins too.
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Posted 2016-July-12, 14:17

View Post4321, on 2016-July-12, 12:54, said:

You are winner. 3NT wins too.


Partner's hand ?

2N opener is horrible, I can visualise hands where par is 3♦= (or 3♥x-1 depending on vul) while you dial 2N -lots
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Posted 2016-July-12, 15:02

View Post4321, on 2016-July-08, 23:50, said:

AKQx_Qx_AQ9xx_QJ

(pass) - pass - (pass) - 1♦
(pass) - 1♥ - (pass) - ?

If your answer depends on the zone and the method of calculation, please say.




2s seems normal now, nothing fancy

I guess my answer depends on the fact that we get to assume pard is a true expert/wc player and knows I am not.
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Posted 2016-July-12, 22:07

2NT shld be correct openin, i think.
1. No reason to show diamonds, we don't seek 6 or 7d after partner's pass.
2. We prepare to play from our strong hand.
3. We could find our spade easy.
But we could not find 3d. So? Probability of 3d is not high. May be 3c or 3H...

But now, after 1d opening we can hide our spade and expect spade lead. 3NT with spade fit better than 2/3NT from weak partner's hand after club lead.
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Posted 2016-July-12, 23:26

I really don't understand your argument that you'd rather declare than partner on a club lead. Say partner has Ax of clubs. If the K is offside, wouldn't you much prefer partner to declare?
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Posted 2016-July-13, 00:58

Showing spades asks club lead. If pard has Axx_ or Kxx_ in clubs - good. And if not?
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Posted 2016-July-13, 02:32

View Post4321, on 2016-July-13, 00:58, said:

Showing spades asks club lead. If pard has Axx_ or Kxx_ in clubs - good. And if not?

If not it doesn't matter which side it's played from.
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Posted 2016-July-13, 06:25

Sure. So i want to declare NT without showing spades. Such auction ask spade lead(s) which give me one or more temps.
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Posted 2016-July-13, 07:34

I think you are significantly overestimating the number of times that bidding NT will induce a spade lead over a club. Opp will tend to lead from length/strength in unbid suit vs. NT. You have 2 more cards in spades and 3/4 of the top honors. These things will significantly increase club lead vs. spade quite a lot.
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Posted 2016-July-13, 07:36

I dont get this 2nt bid denies spades....at the very least it shows spades and does not even deny 4s.
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Posted 2016-July-13, 18:17

Doubeton Queens...flattish shape...1S is plenty for me.
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